Why not JKF + Junction + Mage shield? (in General)

blackshadowshade September 12 2008 11:03 AM EDT

Hi all,

I'm collecting money to hire another minion and items to outfit it so that I can junction the effects to my JKF.

I would have thought that the obvious effect that one would want to junction to the JKF is magic absorption, and thus the Mage Shield would be necessary. However, I've had a look at all of the builds with JKFs larger than mine, and out of the few that do use Junction, none have a Mage Shield.

Would the effects carry over as I expect, or have I missed something? Has anyone tried this combination? Does anything funny happen (like the JKF losing its abilities)?

Conquest September 12 2008 11:07 AM EDT

As far as I know it doesn't mess with the JKF itself, but it will limit the enchanter that you equip it on to only training stats. Most junction enchanters spend the rest of their exp on an enchantment like AMF or even AS to further help the familiar.

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] September 12 2008 12:32 PM EDT

that is what I plan as soon as max tattoo gets to a little over 426k, should work fine but, yea, the junction minion will only be able to train hp/dx/st so I can't get both GA and GS (AS/haste are definite)

three4thsforsaken September 12 2008 12:49 PM EDT

it works, it's a pretty good combo even without endurance.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 12 2008 1:55 PM EDT

In a related note, does a SoC junction over with a Jig?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 12 2008 1:56 PM EDT

And anyone know what it's stats were upped to in recompense for losing Endurance?

QBOddBird September 12 2008 1:56 PM EDT

Theoretically, you'd think it would.

In reality? Who knows, it's been pretty buggy on minions, dunno if dropping it on a familiar would discover more bugs ;P

TheHatchetman September 12 2008 1:59 PM EDT

OB... a bug with the Jiggy? Come on now... That could never happen :P

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 12 2008 2:06 PM EDT

I've seen it tried, the sad part is that with the loss of endurance it's far less attractive.

blackshadowshade September 13 2008 7:07 AM EDT

GL, all that I can remember about the change in JKF stats is that, in my case, the UC went up from 800 to 900.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 13 2008 8:11 AM EDT


So it's STR and DEX weren't changed? :(

blackshadowshade September 13 2008 12:15 PM EDT

That, I can't answer, since I didn't pay so much attention to the other stats. Anyone else?

Kong Ming September 13 2008 12:32 PM EDT

I'm doing the MgS junctioned to a JKF team. It works pretty well against mages and missing endurance hasn't affected me much. Think all the stats of JKF increased.

Kong Ming September 13 2008 12:35 PM EDT

This is the post-battle stats for my JKF:
Strength: 527,085
Dexterity: 1,013,626
Unarmed Combat: 2,100

Armor worn:
A Pair of Elven Boots [10] (+30)
A Pair of Helm's Gauntlets [4] (+16)
Self-Discipline [6] (+17) (Named HoE)
A Mage Shield [0] (+40)

Anyone care to do the sums?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 13 2008 12:41 PM EDT

What's the level of the JKF? Stats without the items?

blackshadowshade September 13 2008 12:56 PM EDT

Max tattoo: 1,084,234 (my tattoo is larger and named)

HP: 542,117
Str: 271,058
Dex: 542,117
UC: 920

Kong Ming September 15 2008 8:31 AM EDT

Tat size: A Jigorokano Familiar lvl 1,104,642

With items:
Strength: 538,512
Dexterity: 1,035,601

Without any items:
Strength: 218,189
Dexterity: 436,379

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 15 2008 8:42 AM EDT

It looks like the Jig is 20% of level as STR and 40% of level as DEX.

With those items (+34% STR and +30% Dex) even with the 1.5 Junction buff (+51% STR and +45% Dex) I can't see how you get buffed to the 'with item' stat values!

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 15 2008 10:22 AM EDT

SHHH (It's well known the bonus is much higher than 150%, lets not make a big stink about it)

Goodfish September 15 2008 10:31 AM EDT

From my 1.00 Junction and +10 EG's, my IF goes from 20 DX to 31.

Meaning the bonus is not anywhere close to 150%.
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