What do YOU think about Mr. C? (in General)


Dark Dreky November 18 2008 2:10 AM EST

I know there have been a lot of posts about the Man, but I just could not help myself.

Checking through past auctions, it looks like the average price for a base (or close to base) EH's is a little under 500k. Yet here is what Mr. C thought he should do:

An Elven Hauberk [22] (+12)
Net worth: $85,014
* $520,826 Central Bank ( Mr. Chairman )
* $496,025 (max bid: $496,025) bid by Dark Dreky ( Rizzen )


Again, checking through past auctions I found the average price for a base (or close to base) MCM is around 600k. Although they have been selling for more lately. But here's what the Man had to say:

A Mithril Chain Mail [28] (+40)
Net worth: $1,247,767
* $1,050,000 Central Bank ( Mr. Chairman )
* $1,000,000 (max bid: $1,000,000) bid by Dark Dreky ( Rizzen )

I think Mr. C needs to loosen up! Take a vacation for awhile...

What do you think?

DoS [Battle Royale] November 18 2008 2:17 AM EST

For +27 EBs, approx. 3.9mil NW

$4,466,986 (max bid: $4,466,986) bid by DoS ( Demon )
$4,254,272 Central Bank ( Mr. Chairman )
$4,051,688 bubbletea ( Bubble Tea )

I see the logic in all 3 seeing as how if you disenchant the MCM you get 600k, then you sell it for more than 400k (right?) so you make a profit of more than 200k. For the EH it was under market because of the 85k NW... Lastly mine because yeah, base go for like 1.5 or 2mil or some lame number like that.

Rawr November 18 2008 2:50 AM EST

Chairman is player run or automatic? Just wondering. I'm assuming automatic . . . but . . .

Cube November 18 2008 4:08 AM EST

Automatic; therefore it is fair... I don't understand this complaining.

If it's equally applied to everyone, it's fair.

Goodfish November 18 2008 4:13 AM EST

I think destroying rares is generally bad for the CB economy. Personally, I don't think everyone's favorite MC should bid on anything above base. For example, +185 DB's will never go for anything near NW, but Mr. Chairman doesn't mind paying an arm and a leg (he is, after all, the richest character in the game). And what happens? The item is incinerated in the hellish fires of fiery hell and lost forever. Is this a good thing? Meh. I don't think so. It only creates unnecessary markup on items, and this will not decrease as long as Mr. Chairman is around. Items will only get more and more expensive, and "market value" will essentially stay the same... or go up. A decrease in market value simply won't happen- items may go down 10 or 15 percent over a few auctions (since Mr. Chairman's "minimums" will eventually deflate), but eventually someone will pick up on this fluctuation and force a rise by buying cheap and just reselling for the old "market values".

I say let the economy dictate prices. I think everyone is sick of being outbid by Mr. Chairman. Of course Jon won't change it because he's a communist, but I think it's time for change- not more of the same.

*giggles*

Cube November 18 2008 4:28 AM EST

Not having Mr. Chairman would be more communist.. everyone would be able to get what they want for dirt cheap prices.

Mr. Chairman provides some competition. If he wasn't there, the game would obviously flood with rares.

I don't understand this, some people complain that rare's aren't rare, and some people complain that they have to pay 200k extra on some item because Mr. Chairman is providing some healthy competition, which the CB community isn't large enough to provide.

Of course it eliminates rares from the game - it keeps them worth something by doing that. Of course it's "bad" for the cb economy in the sense that not everyone can get what they want dirt cheap, but it keeps prices stable, and simulates a larger economy.

You have to remember in CB items don't break they just accumulate.

Xiaz on Hiatus November 18 2008 4:37 AM EST

Back in CB1 - items were much more expensive, e.g. base Lochabers went for 3-4M base, and cash was a lot more difficult to make, i.e. cash rewards were not boosted by NUB's or challeng bonuses.

I hardly see how these items are expensive or even rare for that matter, seeing as the most expensive items are spellboosters and the Cornuthaum (this item never seems to reduce in price).

That said, getting sniped in an auction does suck - especially by an automated system - LOL!

Usul [CHOAM] November 18 2008 4:49 AM EST

I think you should just bid the highest you would pay and let the system do it's job. I am puzzled at how people who joined the game for more than a year still doesn't know how auction in CB works.

1. If your highest bid is outbid by anyone or Mr Chairman, well it's your highest anyway.
2. If Mr Chairman or anyone bids at lower price than your highest bid, you still win the bid. Remainder of your bid returns to you with the item.

Hope it helps!

Ariac November 18 2008 5:38 AM EST

We should obviously have a silent auction house!

And more money sinks, money value needs to go up and item values need to... stabilize more. Also, melee needs some sort of advantage instead of losing to magic, there should be a little more balance.

If there were a lot of viable ways to play, melee items would be around the same price as magic items. However, NSCs are going for around 2.5mil (base) and spellboosters are going for 3-3.5... whereas elven boots are going for around 1.4-1.5 and belegs are going for 1...
Including the cost of a base ELBow (most expensive bow in the game as most of you know) it's still not as expensive as a full mage team.

Adminedyit November 18 2008 5:45 AM EST

>I say let the economy dictate prices.

i say bid what you're willing to pay for it, you can place a bid at the max you're willing to pay, if you don't place a bid at the max you're willing to pay and then lose it don't cry about it.

when i use the auction system (say to buy a base tat) i place a max bid for the highest amount that i'm willing to pay for it (say 500k) if i get the item for less than that then great i got a deal, if not, well then it was more than i was willing to pay anyways.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 18 2008 6:13 AM EST

I think the next person to post a needless complaint thread should get a forum ban... (50% chance of it being me)

...but seriously, this is not that hard to understand or deal with.

Always make sure you've got a max bid just slightly higher than the next bid increment the chairman will make. Every auction the bank wins is a direct result of laziness, nothing more.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 18 2008 6:41 AM EST

i love mr. chairman and if i was female would have his baby!

Wizard'sFirstRule November 18 2008 7:37 AM EST

as long as Mr C is using 50% of NW + base as a formula, I am ok with it. I don't think a +180 DB should be going for less than disenchant rate + market value of base DB, that is just instant profit.

Ariac November 18 2008 8:02 AM EST

How exactly does he determine market value for base items? And how does he determine it for a tattoo?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 18 2008 8:10 AM EST

^if mr. c told ya that, he'd have to kill ya!

Ariac November 18 2008 8:56 AM EST

Then let him, I'm curious and don't wanna die curious. =P

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 18 2008 11:52 AM EST

Guns don't kill people. Mr. Chairman kills People.

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of animals Mr. Chairman allows to live.

Mr. Chairman does not sleep. He waits.
The chief export of Mr. Chairman is Pain.
There is no chin under Mr. Chairman' Beard. There is only another fist.

Mr. Chairman has two speeds. Walk, and Kill.
The leading causes of death in the United States are: 1. Heart Disease 2. Mr. Chairman 3. Cancer.

Mr. Chairman doesn't go hunting.... MR. CHAIRMAN GOES KILLING.

Mr. Chairman uses pepper spray to spice up his steaks.

Mr. Chairman once roundhouse kicked someone so hard that his foot broke the speed of light, went back in time, and killed Amelia Earhart while she was flying over the Pacific Ocean.

Crop circles are Mr. Chairman' way of telling the world that sometimes corn needs to lie down.

Mr. Chairman is ten feet tall, weighs two-tons, breathes fire, and could eat a hammer and take a shotgun blast standing.

The Great Wall of China was originally created to keep Mr. Chairman out. It failed miserably.

Contrary to popular belief, Mr. Chairman, not the box jellyfish of northern Australia, is the most venomous creature on earth. Within 3 minutes of being bitten, a human being experiences the following symptoms: fever, blurred vision, beard rash, tightness of the jeans, and the feeling of being repeatedly kicked through a car windshield.

Most people have 23 pairs of chromosomes. Mr. Chairman has 72... and they're all poisonous.

If you ask Mr. Chairman what time it is, he always says, "Two seconds 'til." After you ask, "Two seconds 'til what?" he roundhouse kicks you in the face.

Mr. Chairman drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls.

When Mr. Chairman sends in his taxes, he sends blank forms and includes only a picture of himself, crouched and ready to attack. Mr. Chairman has not had to pay taxes, ever.

The quickest way to a man's heart is with Mr. Chairman' fist.

Mr. Chairman invented Kentucky Fried Chicken's famous secret recipe, with eleven herbs and spices. But nobody ever mentions the twelfth ingredient: Fear.

Mr. Chairman can win a game of Connect Four in only three moves.

There is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures Mr. Chairman allows to live.

What was going through the minds of all of Mr. Chairman' victims before they died? His shoe.

Mr. Chairman is the only man to ever defeat a brick wall in a game of tennis.

Police label anyone attacking Mr. Chairman as a Code 45-11.... a suicide.

Mr. Chairman doesn't churn butter. He roundhouse kicks the cows and the butter comes straight out.

Mr. Chairman doesn’t wash his clothes, he disembowels them.

A Handicapped parking sign does not signify that this spot is for handicapped people. It is actually in fact a warning, that the spot belongs to Mr. Chairman and that you will be handicapped if you park there.

Mr. Chairman will attain statehood in 2009. His state flower will be the Magnolia.

Someone once videotaped Mr. Chairman getting pissed off. It was called Walker: Texas Chain Saw Massacre.

If you spell Mr. Chairman in Scrabble, you win. Forever.

Mr. Chairman originally appeared in the "Street Fighter II" video game, but was removed by Beta Testers because every button caused him to do a roundhouse kick. When asked bout this "glitch," Norris replied, "That's no glitch."

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool Mr. Chairman once and he will roundhouse you in the face.

The opening scene of the movie "Saving Private Ryan" is loosely based on games of dodgeball Mr. Chairman played in second grade.

Mr. Chairman once shot down a German fighter plane with his finger, by yelling, "Bang!"

Mr. Chairman once bet NASA he could survive re-entry without a spacesuit. On July 19th, 1999, a naked Mr. Chairman re-entered the earth's atmosphere, streaking over 14 states and reaching a temperature of 3000 degrees. An embarrassed NASA publically claimed it was a meteor, and still owes him a beer.

Someone once tried to tell Mr. Chairman that roundhouse kicks aren't the best way to kick someone. This has been recorded by historians as the worst mistake anyone has ever made.

Contrary to popular belief, America is not a democracy, it is a Chairmantatorship.

Faster than a speeding bullet ... more powerful than a locomotive ... able to leap tall buildings in a single bound... yes, these are some of Mr. Chairman's warm-up exercises.

Mr. Chairman is the only human being to display the Heisenberg uncertainty principle -- you can never know both exactly where and how quickly he will roundhouse-kick you in the face.

In the Bible, Jesus turned water into wine. But then Mr. Chairman turned that wine into beer.

Mr. Chairman can hit you so hard that he can actually alter your DNA. Decades from now your descendants will occasionally clutch their heads and yell "What The Hell was That?"

Time waits for no man. Unless that man is Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Chairman doesn't shower, he only takes blood baths.

The Mr. Chairman military unit was not used in the game Civilization 4, because a single Mr. Chairman could defeat the entire combined nations of the world in one turn.

In an average living room there are 1,242 objects Mr. Chairman could use to kill you, including the room itself.

According to the Encyclopedia Brittanica, the Native American "Trail of Tears" has been redefined as anywhere that Mr. Chairman walks.

Pluto is actually an orbiting group of British soldiers from the American Revolution who entered space after the Chuck gave them a roundhouse kick to the face.

When Mr. Chairman goes to donate blood, he declines the syringe, and instead requests a hand gun and a bucket.

There are no steroids in baseball. Just players Mr. Chairman has breathed on.

Mr. Chairman was the fourth wise man, who gave baby Jesus the gift of beard, which he carried with him until he died. The other three wise men were enraged by the preference that Jesus showed to Chuck's gift, and arranged to have him written out of the bible. All three died soon after of mysterious roundhouse-kick related injuries.

Mr. Chairman sheds his skin twice a year.

Dark Dreky November 18 2008 11:59 AM EST

First off, this is not a pointless complaining thread. (

Second off, if I knew how much Mr. Chairman was going to bid... I would outbid him.

People saying that one should bid slightly higher than Mr. C's bid are confused I think. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE IS GOING TO BID! If I knew how he operated, I wouldn't be complaining. I posted because I think that the prices I was going to pay were fair. Yes, maybe it was a SLIGHT deal, but I've made out far better in FS/WTB (as we all have). Why doesn't Mr. Chairman bid on FS/WTB threads?

All I'm saying is that he should be more transparent. If I knew he didn't think my bid was fair market price (and it was fair considering no one else outbid me in the 48 hours+ they had to do so) then I would have bid the extra 50k or whatever it took to win the items.

Here's a suggestion:

Have Mr. Chairman bid immediately on "underpriced items" or whatever. That way, I won't have to set alarm clocks to see if this automated bidder thought that that MCM or EH were worth 50k more and prevent him from sniping items out of auctions. That way we can actually put rares to use, instead of having them sit in someones dusty closet.



Ariac November 18 2008 11:59 AM EST

I think Mr. Chairman should start carving his initials into the moon, like chairface.

Cube November 18 2008 12:06 PM EST

There's an auto-bid feature for a reason...

Phaete November 18 2008 12:16 PM EST

As always, perception is tainted by current needs.

"Please stop Mr. C increasing the prices for my new items"

Opposes

"Please don't let John spawn so many new items, my expensive equipment is now worth half because too many of the same have spawned"

Now put some numbers behind the sides and we are halfway through a forming an analysis with some accuracy.

Goodfish November 18 2008 12:17 PM EST

edyit, every time you quote me and tell me "not to cry about it", I kill a kitten.

Also, I never have a problem losing an auction to a player. But to an automated bot with hundreds of millions of liquid cash created for the sole reason of eliminating any chance of an exciting auction system? Makes me want to kill even more kittens.

*goes off to murder cats*

Last Gasp November 18 2008 12:37 PM EST

In my time here this "discussion" has happened at least a dozen times - maybe two dozen times.

It's pointless. The big "C" is here to stay and no amount of pondering or complaining or crying is going to do anything about it.

Deal with it.

SimplyNic November 18 2008 12:40 PM EST

Meh... Indifferent

FailBoat[SG] November 18 2008 12:47 PM EST

Pluto is actually an orbiting group of British soldiers from the American Revolution who entered space after the Chuck gave them a roundhouse kick to the face.

Missed one.

Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 18 2008 12:51 PM EST

I pity the fool who messes with Mr. C.

Ariac November 18 2008 1:21 PM EST

He had that one Silva.

Ariac November 18 2008 1:22 PM EST

Oh wait, I realize what you were saying now, my B.

Dark Dreky November 18 2008 1:39 PM EST

Well aside from Mr. Chairman being equal than or greater to Chuck Norris... I think he's unnecessary.

Just because this debate has happened before countless times, doesn't mean I'm going to sit here and be quiet about it. Isn't this a game that is founded on chatting and forums (or something like that)?

Also, all of you 200m NW and above supporters of Mr. Chairman... go back to your virtual text mansions and let us try get a good deal out of auctions!



Ariac November 18 2008 1:52 PM EST

Sorry he won't let you get an item for less than half NW + base value dude.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 18 2008 1:53 PM EST

"Also, all of you 200m NW and above supporters of Mr. Chairman... go back to your virtual text mansions and let us try get a good deal out of auctions!"

i would suggest, in the future, incorporating your net worth limits into your subject then. for instance:

if your net worth is less than 200m, what do you think of mr. c?

; )

Cube November 18 2008 2:03 PM EST

I have less than 200 mil NW. 100 mil of my NW is in my tattoo.

What difference does it make if it's automatic or not? If you didn't know he wasn't human, would it make you feel better?

I propose letting Mr. C go incognito under expired user names to end these threads.

Enter in the auto-bidder the exact maximum amount you want to bid. If you had been willing to shell out the extra 100k, then bid 100k more. It's not rocket science.

Dudster4 November 18 2008 2:33 PM EST

i think the argument here is that he is bidding slightly more than us when we aren't expecting it just for a rare item to be destroyed, not the fact we want to find an item for a low amount, but that he is still getting it and then it is destroyed.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 18 2008 2:43 PM EST

^we should expect it though, shouldn't we? if the item is going for anything less than recent prices in auctions suggest, or if it is an item that is of more nw than anything in history and it is going for significantly less than nw the chairman will step in.

Goodfish November 18 2008 3:26 PM EST

Then I suggest:

Eliminate Mr. Chairman, he is a pox on us.

Scale auction prices according to Mr. Chairman's current twisted dynamic. Give them a minimum bid of whatever Mr. Chairman would pay for them. If they don't get ANY bids, then fine, they can get deleted. But the "auction" system kind of insinuates the ability to get something for a "little bit less". It really isn't even worth being called "auctions" any more.

Also, this would eliminate the destruction of items that players already own, which is what really bites in my mind. When somebody sells a big fat named pair of DB's in auctions and Mr. Chairman gets them, the player basically lost an item. I know I would be upset having a piece of my CB history destroyed, but maybe that's just me.

I think my new system is perfectly fair, and though it's hardly different from the current one, it keeps a stupid robot from sniping, which is my major dig.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 18 2008 3:41 PM EST

so, you'd rather a "robot" set your minimum price then? i am sure someone out there would have a problem with that as well.

we can keep items from being destroyed, disenchant them down to a reasonable net worth and they will likely sell for a reasonable price. you can also always use fs/wtb forum as well.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 18 2008 3:44 PM EST

also your system would have no downward movement in prices, the current system does allow for falling prices as far as i can tell.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] November 18 2008 3:55 PM EST

lol, i thought you were talking about MrChuckles, aka, MrC. =P

Dark Dreky November 18 2008 3:59 PM EST

The current system does not allow for falling prices.

The items I originally posted with this thread have both sold for CONSIDERABLY less than what Mr. C paid for them. In effect, he is driving up the prices (isn't that his purpose?)...

And yeah, let's make this a 200m NW and under thread. Mr. C doesn't really have an effect on those people, they already have all the rares they need (and then some). But with the people who are actually trying to get the rares in auctions and getting sniped by a pitiful 50k it's annoying.

Yeah, bid more... blah blah blah. I'm done with this. the arguments in favor of the Chairman are not convincing. Telling me to bid 100k more on an item is also pointless. If I had bid 1.1m on the MCM I lost to the Man, he would have sniped it anyways. There needs to be some rhyme to his reason.

Dark Dreky November 18 2008 3:59 PM EST

I was waiting for someone to say that Paul. =)

FailBoat[SG] November 18 2008 4:03 PM EST

I promised myself I wouldn't get a serious opinion... Dangit!

Quote:
if it is an item that is of more nw than anything in history and it is going for significantly less than nw the chairman will step in.

Sorry Dude but we bid what we see fit. I don't care how amazingly high the NW of an item is, what we're willing to pay is what we're willing to pay.

To give you a fun example.

What if a GoM somehow made its way up to the 30mil NW Range, never gonna happen but still. Player A auctions those off with a starting bid of 1mil, time limit of 7 days. Over those seven days, it goes up to a whopping... 3mil. Chairman steps in, in the last five minutes, swoops up the item and destroys it.

We were willing to pay a set price, if Player A wanted to, they could of Disenchanted it and sold off the base, they didn't. They offered it up at a price and we said what we'd pay for it.

I forgot where I was going because I started playing WoW about two minutes ago... Someone finish my thought.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 18 2008 4:05 PM EST

"The current system does not allow for falling prices."

sure it does. he bids the item up a bit, not to some preset price. this lower than average sell price will then be worked into the next auction which allows for falling prices overall.

in the auctions above you quoted average prices for base items, but the items listed are not base and therefore were valued higher than base items, no?

FailBoat[SG] November 18 2008 4:09 PM EST

Also, DD. I'm under 200m NW and I don't have HALF the rares I want. So... GG.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 18 2008 4:29 PM EST

"Sorry Dude but we bid what we see fit. I don't care how amazingly high the NW of an item is, what we're willing to pay is what we're willing to pay."

so if you are outbid, what is the problem? it went for more than you were willing to pay and no one lost out.

if you are saying that jon's auction system in carnage blender is not a true free market, you will get no argument from me.

Cube November 18 2008 5:11 PM EST

If you bid 100k extra, Mr. Chairman will only bid one increment. One measly increment, and you'll still get it.

"The current system does not allow for falling prices."

And why do prices need to fall? Any half decent strat can generate 1 mil in 4 days or so. At 100% challenge bonus probably more like 2 days.

Wizard'sFirstRule November 18 2008 9:42 PM EST

threads like this are always fruitless. A small very vocal subset of players voices their problem, where the great creator and the majority of players doesn't perceive a problem at all.
This thread is closed to new posts. However, you are welcome to reference it from a new thread; link this with the html <a href="/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002ama">What do YOU think about Mr. C?</a>