Not Forgeable. (in General)


Godpanda December 4 2008 3:43 PM EST

Why? What's the reason on this one? Forging is awful enough without eliminating half the items in the game from the list of things that CAN be forged.

I think we should just get rid of that label all together. Other opinions on this?

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] December 4 2008 3:47 PM EST

Thats why i suggested about 2 years ago, items that are only forgeable, no BS (heh).

Underage Drinking December 4 2008 5:32 PM EST

because who wants to DE A Halberd [52x102] (+40), A Battle Axe [44x222] (+50) and A Dagger [4x1000] (+200) not I, at the same time a dagger is worthless but its cheap to forge, it you could BS it, it would be helluva lot cheaper than any item and be alot better...erm maybe lol

Godpanda December 4 2008 5:34 PM EST

Lol. I was speaking more of the rare items ;P

Dudster4 December 4 2008 5:35 PM EST

he's talking about every elven item, and a few others that for whatever reason have had the ability to be forged...removed.

Dark Dreky December 4 2008 5:47 PM EST

The only items I can see this making sense for is Elven items actually. I mean, we're not elves (are we?)... and even if we were, the damned DWARVES oversee all forging activities, so they are likely to not allow an Elven items past their scrutiny.

But Beleg's and AoF's to name a few (I really can't think of anymore atm) I feel should be forgeable. If the reasoning for these items being unforgeable is "because they're magic" .... then what about Corns? and AoM's?

Let them forge, Jon! Please. Let them forge!

Tal [G6] December 4 2008 5:48 PM EST

AGs too dreky

Cube December 4 2008 6:02 PM EST

Corns and AoMs are forgeable...
All the amulets have a low efficiency though.

I think it's just that way for flavor/cash sink.

It doesn't really provide that much of a cash sink though because if forgers aren't forging then they'll be fighting, so they'd be making cash anyway.

DoS [Battle Royale] December 4 2008 6:05 PM EST

I want to be able to forge BGs and AGs. Yeah!



I don't have a good reason except for the like of forging.

Dudster4 December 4 2008 6:08 PM EST

dark dreky, agree with your forger, bring back forging on all items!

King December 4 2008 6:31 PM EST

Certain items aren't forgeable because of their power, they have a soft cap put on them to prevent them from getting too large. for example NSCs.

I'm sure a lot of people would forge their own items to pay only 15-20% of these fees or even try to convince forgers to accept payment plans.

Sickone December 4 2008 8:40 PM EST

I say make the blacksmith charge double of what he charges now (or at least an additional 50% or so), then make ALL items forgeable, with the SAME forging efficiency on all items for the optimum cycle.

Rawr December 4 2008 9:27 PM EST

Making items only forgeable makes Economic clans and forging itself much more useful/profitable! +5!

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] December 4 2008 9:35 PM EST

I just want things like beleg's and EBs to be forgeable to save me money...:P.

Lord Bob December 4 2008 9:46 PM EST

"Other opinions on this? "

Yes.

I agree with you.

Wizard'sFirstRule December 5 2008 5:05 AM EST

why can't we forge AoI as well?

BadFish December 5 2008 5:07 AM EST

the AoI isn't just non-forgeable, it's non-upgradeable. So you can't really forge it.

Brakke Bres [Ow man] December 5 2008 5:25 AM EST

Increase the forging efficiency while you're at it!

Forging is horrible now!

BluBBen December 5 2008 10:08 AM EST

I got a crazy idea. Why not make all items _only_ forgable. That would be interesting!

Goodfish December 5 2008 10:17 AM EST

That would be dumb. I prefer the BS, and think forging is stupid to begin with. Forging is another non-cash-sink, which is bad, and the BS is a good one.

Although I support the elimination of "non-forgeable", since occasionally I do my own forging.

Godpanda December 5 2008 10:41 AM EST

"Although I support the elimination of "non-forgeable", since occasionally I do my own forging. "


So basically you're saying forging is stupid and should be removed, unless you're doing it. Then it should be tailored to suit you...

Dark Dreky December 5 2008 11:40 AM EST

"Corns and AoMs are forgeable..."

Uhhh, yup. I'm aware.


And I always agree with my forger! =)

If these ideas were put to a vote, I would vote YES! I think it has been the general consensus in CB for awhile now that forgers need a little something something.

Cube December 5 2008 11:56 AM EST

Oh whoops misread that sorry.

Anyway, imo forging really is very boring, and I'd rather not give it a boost for that reason.

Unless there's something to make it a bit more interesting.. like having to find formulae yourself each time or something. Have the formula change every few days? Even if it doesn't make sense, what if say the temperature of the oven varies or something.. This would of course be accompanied by an increase in forging efficiency.

Andy December 5 2008 12:38 PM EST

Maybe have quests to get coal to stock up the forge? To get the coal you must fight certain characters and get a % chance of getting the coal. The more coal that is put into the forge the hotter it gets. Then there will be a varying degree to the forge times. But if it's really hard then efficiency should be increased massively.

I personally think all non-elven gear should be forgeable. NSC's could have a decreased forge efficiency so that it's around equal with upgrading it at the Blacksmith. I understand that if you could forge NSC's then they could become really OP but that can be counterracted with low forge efficiency.

Forging should get a huge boost because when I first heard of the forge I got really excited and tried to learn how to do it, but it confused me a lot and I still don't forge now ^^ But the idea of being able to forge your own weapons is very appealing!

Goodfish December 5 2008 12:51 PM EST

So basically you're saying forging is stupid and should be removed, unless you're doing it. Then it should be tailored to suit you...

Not nearly what I'm saying. I'd be happier without forging, but there are times when I don't feel like fighting and instead would rather upgrade my own equipment.

Forging is stupid because people try to make money off it, and it just results in additional floating cash, which is what we're trying to avoid. When I forge my own items, there is no transfer of cash. I just save money, not give it to someone else.

Don't twist my words, or put words into my mouth. You're just trying to be trollish in a discussion that doesn't merit it.

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smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] December 5 2008 1:06 PM EST

Regular Hexahedron 11:56 AM EST
"Oh whoops misread that sorry.

Anyway, imo forging really is very boring, and I'd rather not give it a boost for that reason.

Unless there's something to make it a bit more interesting.. like having to find formulae yourself each time or something. Have the formula change every few days? Even if it doesn't make sense, what if say the temperature of the oven varies or something.. This would of course be accompanied by an increase in forging efficiency."

None of that makes ANY sense! Forging is boring and you don't want to boost it for that reason? WHAT?! How, in any way, does that make sense?

And about the comment on changing the formulae every day, yea, just what i want, to waste a full set of BA every day trying to find the right formulae.

Anyways, I'm looking forward to the day when items are introduced that are only forgeable, the first items forgers can actually forge for a good profit rather than getting approximately the same amount of money fighters do, just without exp as a bonus.

Godpanda December 5 2008 1:15 PM EST

Trollish?

No. You're entire position is just ridiculous. You think forging should only be used by people who only forge their own equipment (like you) and should be garbage for people who enjoy it and wish to make money off of it (not you).

It wasn't trollish just because you didn't like it. It was completely valid. You don't consider anyone else's opinion on the matter.


You're QUITE DEFINITELY saying the way you do it is fine and should be encouraged and the way other people do it is "stupid".

You need to check your anger a bit. I wasn't attacking you. At least not on purpose, though I'm often heavy handed with my words. My apologies if I did truly offend you...

In any event, I've yet to see someone give a reason why forging shouldn't be boosted (except for the ridiculous "there's already too much money around" which is flawed in it's own right...)

Cube December 5 2008 1:18 PM EST

It's boring, so I either want to spice it up a little.

I don't want to keep it boring but profitable, forcing a bunch of people to subject themselves to it.

You would change the formula every day/week, but lets say double(/triple/whatever seems fair) forging efficiency so it's not just a grind.

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