Chat (in General)


PearsonTritonRaveshaw December 15 2008 10:59 PM EST

Chat is getting out of hand. Not by the chatters, but by the people monitoring chat. It seems I can't even jokingly say "can I kick someone? =P" without receiving a kick myself. ColonelCustard said something about kicking me, and GW said he would give him OP powers if he would do it. CC kicked me out of chat, and that was the end of that. Wow. How lame. He is rewarded for mentioning a kick, and I am instantly kicked for even joking about it, and about nobody in particular.

Chat needs a set of rules. Every OP has their own set of rules that they rule chat by, and it just isn't working out. The amount of abuse from the OPs in chat is absolutely ridiculous.

For example: Godwolf kicks even at the slightest insult, yet he insults me all the time. He called me ignorant, so I called him ignorant back and was kicked for it. A lot of the OPs are outright hypocritical, and it is absolutely pathetic.

Chat needs a set of rules that everybody must abide by. If one OP sees another getting out of hand, kick them like any other player. For each OP to have their own set of rules is ludicrous to say the least.

Oh, and Verifex, before you close this thread, I'm not debating the PG policy, I'm just suggesting that chat has a set of rules that is enforced by people who should be enforcing the rules of the server, and not kicking people for their personal pleasure.

Angel of Death [Hell Blenders] December 15 2008 11:07 PM EST

dude thats been happening ever since i joined the game, some op's are fun and other can do what they want, they can insult you and when you say something back your kicked, if you win an arguement that he started you are kicked and if you say something about it then your killed
thats 1 of the reason that im not on chat anymore (biggest reason is cuz im buzy but its also 1)

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 15 2008 11:15 PM EST

If all the ops are against you, you might want to find out what you're doing wrong. It's possible that you have some personality issues you need to deal with.

Yes it's harsh sometimes, but repeating the same drama over and over leads me to believe you're not capable of learning.

Asking to kick someone will often earn you a kick.

Rawr December 15 2008 11:17 PM EST

Then you must have been doing something wrong if you're saying all the ops are out to get you.

Rawr December 15 2008 11:18 PM EST

(Oops.. I said what novice said)

Colonel Custard December 15 2008 11:20 PM EST

You said something about being without clothes, and Warbringer said "/kick Raveshaw." GW said he'd give Warb ops if he actually did it. I said I would, and nov OPd me. And I kicked you.

Sorry you're so worked up about it.

Godpanda December 15 2008 11:20 PM EST

<Raveshaw> can i kick someone? =P
- InebriatedArsonist has kicked Raveshaw out of the room
<WolfEyes> I SO saw that coming, rofl.
<WolfEyes> Thanks, IA ^_^
<novice> br
<novice> b
<Raveshaw> IA what's wrong with you?
- server grants op status to novice
<Raveshaw> you don't get respect at your house so you have to act like a chump to people online?
<WolfEyes> He answered your question. I thought it was quite funny ^_^
- WolfEyes has kicked Raveshaw out of the room



Please, if you're going to whine and complain, let's get it right. You asked if you could kick someone. IA kicked you (which, honestly, any op will do if you're asking to be op'd) and he did so in a CLEARLY joking manner. Instead of laughing it off like anyone with any tiny grain of maturity would have, you came back in and insulted IA in a completely unacceptable manner.

You should be incredibly grateful I, or another op, didn't /kill you for it. You need to learn respect and manners.

As to these constant threads, GET. OVER. IT. It's a 30 SECOND punishment. If you want, I'll start /kill ing for every single mistake you make, then you can come to forums and actually have something to complain about.

You need to learn to respect other chatters. You NEED to learn what's funny and what's not (I'm sure others could do so as well).

You may not like what's said here, but I'm rather sick of going through this every week because you won't mellow out. If you have such a serious problem, why don't you try obeying chat rules?

Rawr December 15 2008 11:21 PM EST

Or just talk to the people who are kicking you to see what is wrong.
They have the power to kick for a reason, I assume...

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] December 16 2008 12:04 AM EST

I will agree with you that sometimes op's push you too far, and I do mean *sometimes*. Just lighten up a little, most the time they're only joking with you.

Steve G December 16 2008 12:05 AM EST

these people have the power for a reason, if they are calling you ignorant, and your response is to call them ignorant back, then you not only deserving of the kick but i would call it well worth it

kevlar December 16 2008 12:06 AM EST

You OPs are completely out of hand in CARNAGE. I especially love the way that an OP preaches the PG rule then turns around and CMs someone all kind of cuss words (go Oddbird!), stupid hypocrites.

Raveshaw you are completely in the right to feel the way you do, don't let Novice try to circumvent the fact that he is one of the admins who gets a kick out of senseless kicks.

You guys saying you don't know why he is upset, good God... lol.

Lochnivar December 16 2008 12:13 AM EST

Kevlar,
There is no PG rule for PMs, there is for the chat room.
Since there are different rules there is no hypocracy.

Oh, and on the main topic...

If get kicked over and over again I would either: a) stop doing it, or b) laugh at the kicks and move one.

kevlar December 16 2008 12:16 AM EST

Sorry man, that doesn't make any sense to me.... there is PG rule in chat... in forums, but anything goes CM wise?

Seriously.... what sense does that make? Absolutely, none.

Hypocritical, especially the way the people who enforce the PG rule are so serious about CB being the "better" game because of it.....

*shakes head*

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] December 16 2008 12:20 AM EST

cm's are private communications between players. are you saying that you want them to go through a person who would check them for profanity and delete them if they contained such? i have a feeling we would be seeing people whine about privacy issues then. chat ops can't win for losing it seems.

you can always do what i do if i get cm's from idiots, just ignore them. i think i even ignored some from someone in this thread just recently, hehe! ; )

kevlar December 16 2008 12:27 AM EST

Private communications? Serious? So ya got rules for the main forms of communication of this game, serious freakin' rules, but all that gets tossed out the window if you use CM?

Sorry that's hypocritical, especially when people who are enforcing it send CMs to others that break that rule. It's quite amusing you guys are now defending the non-PG form of chat, that is not in chat.

outrageous! >:)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] December 16 2008 12:32 AM EST

so you want it to go through ops and lose the privacy in order to police a pg policy across the board?

i would rather have privacy than that, that is all i am defending here.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 16 2008 12:33 AM EST

Cube December 16 2008 12:36 AM EST

I think if it's to the point that the receiver is bothered by the CM they can/should alert an OP.

Extreme examples: Death threats/harassment etc.


But if you use a swear in PM, you'll probably know if the person you are talking to is fine with it.

kevlar December 16 2008 12:37 AM EST

Dudemus, seriously... if you are someone that likes the PG rule bla bla and someone CMs you something non PG , then isn't that rather an invasion of your privacy?

Or if you are one like me that doesn't think the PG rule is set right, are forced to talk different and make corrections to not be "borderline" all the time... then have someone just go off in a CM and say even worse stuff through a CM? That is not privacy.

All I am saying that if there is a rule enforced that big in the game, it makes no sense why you should be able to break it cm'ng someone. If you can handle non-PG stuff in private then there shouldn't be a problem with it mainstream.

kevlar December 16 2008 12:38 AM EST

*continues to fluff Novice's fufu ego* *pours another glass of chocolaty chocolate milk*

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] December 16 2008 12:46 AM EST

i guess the question for you kevlar is how do you propose that cm's be policed for your pg policy without invading privacy?

i see it more like a big party with mixed company. it probably still wouldn't be appropriate if you yell out that dirty joke to everyone. however, you can tell it to a few choice people in a small group. if someone is offended, they will probably head the other way if they see you starting another joke.

we can all act like adults regardless of our age here. does it not seem petty to demand that if you cannot curse in public chat that no one should be able to at all, especially those enforcing the public rules? you can always ignore private messages fairly easily so i do not feel they invade my privacy one iota.

kevlar December 16 2008 12:52 AM EST

I can tell you one thing if you told a dirty joke or whatever to a small group and one of the PG nazis were there, and you didn't know abut it, they would not just turn the other way and be all quiet about it.

I do see the point about friends though, and having the freedom to at least talk to them freely like you would any other place.

But as an OP, talking to someone who isn't a "friend" you shouldn't have the freedom to just rant what you want when you preach something different and threaten to kick/ban others for the same thing. No way, that just doesn't make sense at all.

Rawr December 16 2008 12:54 AM EST

L. O. L.

Insulting -QB's- and -EXPERIENCED- players must be a new fad or something!

kevlar December 16 2008 1:04 AM EST

No Rawr, you missed the initial insult. But most do, and that is ok. I can handle it ;)

Rawr December 16 2008 1:08 AM EST

So the intelligent thing is to stoke the flame and start an argument...

or ignore it.

Godpanda December 16 2008 1:17 AM EST

There are two very, VERY simple reasons that nothing but chat and forum is PG.

1) There is zero way to expect anyone to police every PM, user made room and CM (Though, if something is particularly hateful, or someone is repeatedly sending you something you don't want and have made it clear you don't want, you can talk to an admina bout it) in the game.

2) People who see your CM/PM messages CHOOSE to see it. In many of my private conversations someone will swear and immediately apologize and ask if that's okay. On a 1v1 basis, that's fine.

The argument that because someone swears ANYWHERE in their life they'd be a hypocrite to enforce people NOT to do it in chat is ridiculous.

As long as I'm not swearing in chat, I have -zero- guilt about making sure others don't. And Raveshaw, if you ever feel like I've legitimately insulted you, you can take it up with me. But as far as I can remember, I've never done so (and I know for sure you've never come to me in private and let me know you have a problem)

kevlar December 16 2008 1:17 AM EST

ignorance is bliss. I have never been one to just ignore the fact. If I see something wrong I try to help fix it. If something is tossed at me, I will toss it back.

If you want to sit there and let people walk on you, or not justify what they mean, and call that "not toking the flame" that's fine.

I expect more

Rawr December 16 2008 1:18 AM EST

people don't walk on me because I don't piss them off!

Hard to understand, no?

kevlar December 16 2008 1:21 AM EST

No Wolf, if someone sends you a CM you don't have the choice not to read it, it shows up.

The ultimate solution would be to have a filter for CM's PG or NONPG and have a list of all the NONPG words that CB considers such... default it to NONPG and people can change it if they wish. Any CMs containing those words are blocked. THAT would not be hypocritical.

The rest of what you guys are saying about CMs being fine, honestly isn't flying. Think about it.

kevlar December 16 2008 1:23 AM EST

You've made your point Rawr... if someone pisses you off you just nod, kiss butt, and roll with it. I don't do that, never have never will.

Cube December 16 2008 1:26 AM EST

I really think if you have a problem with something someone is sending to you, you should simply take it up with an Admin/OP. If someone starts sending you unpg stuff, and they won't stop take it up with an admin.

Godpanda December 16 2008 1:28 AM EST

Like I said. If someone sends you a CM you don't like, ask them not to. If they do it again, talk to an admin.


Jon does what he can to keep the game clean. But no one with any amount of sense should expect him to take time out of his day to make sure two friends can't send good natured dirty jokes to each other -_-

If you don't like swearing, let people know that. Your argument is moot regardless. This thread is about CHAT policies. You don't argue freedom of speech in China because it flies in the U.S. If you want to debate the CM rules, make a thread. But don't expect it to go anywhere.

Steve G December 16 2008 1:33 AM EST

kevlar i never seeing you say anything positive about this game, if you dont like it leave, the community would be better off for it, please be constructive rather then constant slander and allegations

Cube December 16 2008 1:35 AM EST

^Where exactly did that come from..?

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] December 16 2008 1:36 AM EST

Like I said. If someone sends you a CM you don't like, ask them not to. If they do it again, talk to an admin.
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Just the other day GW, I pm'ed you saying opvines was sending me non pg pm's did you do anything about it?
(steve dont tell people to leave thats not nice.).

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 16 2008 1:37 AM EST

The magical land where trolls get outed and enjoy a nice vacation with a digital muzzle.

Godpanda December 16 2008 1:41 AM EST

Casper, my computer is on almost 24/7. And while it's on, I'm in chat. If I don't respond, I just didn't see it.

In the future though, if it's in chat, just /ignore. Then if they CM you, CM an admin.


As an OP, there is little I can do about PMs conduct unless it's extreme enough to warrant a kill because typically a /ignore will solve it much more effectively.

three4thsforsaken December 16 2008 1:42 AM EST

Dude, we need the PG rule.

I've seen a number of new players walk in with their immature use of swear words, I've seen them walk in praising Hitler and saying a number of racist statements.

The PG rule is simple, hence easy to understand and enforce. Look at the CB community, it's full of mature people, it grows on you, and encourages you not to speak in 733T.

People don't burst in making fun of your mom, or insulting your guts cause you disagree.

I'm not accusing anyone of trying to be these above things, but I really have to thank the PG rule for preventing the above. Sure, sometimes it'll be really useful to put in a cuss word when appropiate, but in the long run, I don't think it's worth it.

kevlar December 16 2008 1:43 AM EST

that is what you would like, because you can't handle people actually stepping up to you. instead post pics of trolls, start wars with noob clans, start petitions with hidden agendas. Manly.

Digital muzzle, lol... wow

three4thsforsaken December 16 2008 1:45 AM EST

You imply that removing the PG rule would prevent that.

kevlar December 16 2008 1:46 AM EST

Steve G, you are a return player right? So you don't have any say about my feelings on this game. I have praised this game and its community (the majority) endlessly. I do admit I have had my disagreements with certain things like the PG rule.

One guy tried to act like a "pee pee head" (yay PG) and I just stepped up and gave hims some "poo poo head" and here we are. And you have the gall to go that far about how I feel about this game based one one player and my views of the CM PG thing?

LOL, man this is one place where posting your opinion and sticking up for yourself can turn out to be an all out battle!

Godpanda December 16 2008 1:46 AM EST

Oh, I'm done with this thread. However, if someone has a legitimate concern or something they feel I need to be aware of, please CM or PM me in chat and we can have a mature, logical debate about it. Those are always fun.

But forums are not the place. People lack the ability to hold their tongues in forums. I blame the lack of text limit. *nod*

Cube December 16 2008 1:49 AM EST

Novice, you're calling kevlar a troll...? Have you been on the internet?

Maybe I was confused by his talk of
"doesn't make any sense to me"
"hypocritical, especially when people who are enforcing it send CMs to others that break that rule"
"invasion of your privacy?"
"if there is a rule enforced that big in the game, it makes no sense why you should be able to break it cm'ng someone"
"I do see the point"
"ultimate solution would be to have a filter.."

Sorry man, but have you ever seen any other forums, mostly full of immature people? kevlar is hardly trolling... He clearly takes issue with something and is annoyed at it. You simply can't handle how he didn't like your reply.

three4thsforsaken December 16 2008 1:51 AM EST

actually, I wouldn't mind a way to block CMs from certain people or a turn on CM censor if the need be.

kevlar December 16 2008 1:51 AM EST

:)

Hakai [Aye Phelta Thi] December 16 2008 3:20 AM EST

I'm sorry. I don't recall being an abusive chat OP...

But thanks for grouping me in with all the rest. I really appreciate that.

QBOddBird December 16 2008 3:25 AM EST

I missed this thread....I wondered how I was somehow caught up in this drama, but I see now.


Being an OP doesn't mean I'm not going to respond harshly when you're a jerk in my PM or CM. I explained exactly why I took the actions I took, and that I didn't have to put up with your crap in my PM.


I don't expect to have to put up with it in the forums either, so hopefully an admin will notice you trolling me soon and do something about it.

Sickone December 16 2008 4:25 AM EST

Ah, so THIS is what everybody was talking about...

Hey, how's this for a novel idea : what if - yeah, yeah, just bear with me - each and every chat-op would REFRAIN from kicking Raveshaw for a couple of days unless he actually DESERVES it... and what if Raveshaw would refrain from making inflamatory statements for the same period of time ?

All I see here is battle of egos - Raveshaw with his "offended self-perceived righteousness" and the ops with "I kinda' had enough of this guy" - so what if you would, you know, just simply drop it ?

Adminedyit December 16 2008 5:21 AM EST

Hey, how's this for a novel idea : lets all try and get along for a few days, its the holiday season people, where's the joy that's supposed to accompany it? my root if you get this worked up you need to take step back breath deep and say again and again ('till you believe it) it's only a game.

Sickone December 16 2008 5:22 AM EST


Please do not misinterpret anything I said above as "let people break the PG rule" or anything like that, that's totally not what I meant.

To further elaborate, in the chatlog posted above, the SECOND kick was more than justified, yet the FIRST one I'd be hard-pressed to consider it as such : you contend that the kick was made "in a joking manner" on reasons of "asking for op powers" but do not accept the possibility of the request as being a joke in the first place ?
Sure, Raveshaw might easily deserve half the kicks he gets, and probably deserves a kill every now and then, the fact you "jokingly kick" him when you KNOW he's angered by that can't possibly help calm him down.
If anything, that's childish behaviour on the kicker's part, and I find that equally inexcusable. You expect others to treat you with respect but fail to offer the same thing based on a grudge ? Well... what else can I say... keep up the good work ?

No, I'm NOT trying to tell the ops how to do their job.
For all I care, don't listen to me at all and jokingly kick him all you want, and keep justifying the initial kick with his SUBSEQUENT reaction that actually deserves a kick... if revenge grudgematches on chat spilling over in the forums on a regular basis are your goals, sure, don't even try to listen to me.
Afterall, what could I possibly know, I'm not using chat much and I certainly am no op either.

Sickone December 16 2008 5:23 AM EST

P.S. A belated 100% agreement with edyit, he said it much better and in a much less bitter tone than I managed to :)

Lady Die December 16 2008 8:39 AM EST

*Sings* We wish you a Merry Christmas, We wish you a Merry Christmas, We wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

PearsonTritonRaveshaw December 16 2008 9:33 AM EST

Novice said:
"If all the ops are against you, you might want to find out what you're doing wrong. It's possible that you have some personality issues you need to deal with."

No, not all the OPs are against me. The person that seems to have the biggest issue is Godwolf, followed by IA, and to a lesser degree, you novice. Also, did I not say that ColonelCustard asked to kick me, only to be rewarded with an /op while just a few minutes later, I jokingly asked if I could kick someone, not anybody in particular, and I was instantly kicked? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I mentioned that.

Godwolf said:
"You asked if you could kick someone. IA kicked you (which, honestly, any op will do if you're asking to be op'd) and he did so in a CLEARLY joking manner."

Yes, I was joking about it. ColonelCustard asked if he could kick someone, yet you said you would give him /op if he would, and novice beat you to it. How hypocritical can you get? Also, I don't believe a /kick is a joke. Saying /me kicks Raveshaw would be funny, but a /kick is not.

"You need to learn to respect other chatters. You NEED to learn what's funny and what's not (I'm sure others could do so as well)."

We all have our different senses of humor. Mine does not include being bullied.

"If you have such a serious problem, why don't you try obeying chat rules?"

I do, and then I'm kicked. I follow rules some more until I'm kicked again, then I'm killed for arguing. Sound familiar? Sound FAIR?

If I ever talk about why I'm being kicked, I will be kicked for arguing, when all I'm trying to do is figure out what I did wrong. If I don't feel like I did anything wrong, I try to explain what I was doing and I'm either kicked or killed for it.

Godwolf, I don't contact you privately because I don't feel like you are someone who would care. You just shun me away whenever I try to talk about it publicly, why would you do any differently privately? Because of your massive ego, or what? Also, I've already had bad experiences talking to Verifex privately, who simply yells at me to drop it and get on with my life, then fines me if I keep talking to him about it.

Also, why has nobody posted on the real topic here? I'm suggesting straight chat rules for everybody. That way, there is no debating what someone did wrong and what the consequences should be. Let's try to stay focused guys.

Also, Hakai and OB, you two have been nothing but nice to me, so I apologize for grouping you with just a few people. You don't deserve to be judged by the actions of others, so I am sorry.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] December 16 2008 9:37 AM EST

Can we close this thread? I'm tired of all the fighting.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 16 2008 10:19 AM EST

Chat rules as you describe are subject to mass exploitation. Jon has openly said he'd rather turn off CB than go down that road.

What I'm trying to point out is that if someone like Verifex, who I've never seen be cross, or even mildly grumpy is being forced to deal with you like that something needs to change on your side as well.

I'd be happy to never see you kicked again Rave, but that really is up to you.

PearsonTritonRaveshaw December 16 2008 1:51 PM EST

Well, sure rules can be "exploited" I guess, but that's where common sense comes into play.

QBOddBird December 16 2008 1:56 PM EST

Thanks Rave :D I'm pretty sure I can speak for Hakai as well as myself when I say I appreciate that clarification.
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