Maybe Im Blind (in General)

AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] January 23 2009 5:52 AM EST

Is there a formula for figuring out why bigger MPR is better for forging or has someone tested it? If so i want results

AdminShade January 23 2009 6:36 AM EST

Nobody so far has been able to get a true formula but yes, a bigger MPR is better at forging.

Perhaps something like 2 times higher MPR is 50% forging increase

Sickone January 23 2009 6:41 AM EST

Forging effectiveness is supposed to be constant with regard to (base) BA purchase cost.
higher MPR -> higher BA cost -> more NW forged

PearsonTritonRaveshaw January 23 2009 7:05 AM EST

Shade, I'm sure that it's somewhere on the equations page that only admins have access to! =P

Lady Die January 23 2009 8:49 AM EST

Rave, could you not stalk poor Shade and harass the poor guy.

QBsutekh137 January 23 2009 9:26 AM EST

I think Shade might be over-estimating things a bit... I tested this a while back, and comparing a million MPR to 100K MPR only yielded something like 10-20% better forging, IIRC.

Find a non-bonus character in 6/20 and a non-bonus character in 10/20 and see what the BA cost is. Multiply the 6/20 value by 6 and the 10/20 value by ten, then ratio.

I can provide the 6/20: my BA cost is $1344 per BA, so $8064 per 20-minute cycle. My MPR right now (make sure person is all trained up so that VPR does not skew the numbers) is: 4.204,364.

Get those same numbers for a non-bonus person in 10/20, 9/20, or 8/20 and we can start making some ratios. The bottom line is that the "worth" of a BA is the same as the "worth" of a forger's ability to generate wealth.

Brakke Bres [Ow man] January 23 2009 9:41 AM EST

If I had your character suth and I started forging I would probably add 300k nw to my total forging stats each day. making 2,1mil nw difference a week and 8mil a month. Thats a big difference.

And I'm just guessing buts its probably more...

AdminShade January 23 2009 9:51 AM EST

Rave: there is no such thing, stop bugging me please with such nonsense.

Sutekh: my guestimation was a very very broad one...

King January 23 2009 12:00 PM EST

it's pretty much dependant on ba cost (before nub/ncb multiplier) and since larger mprs have larger ba costs...pretty much exactly what sut said

QBsutekh137 January 23 2009 12:48 PM EST

Henk, you think you could double your output? Hm, I guess Shade's broad guestimate wasn't too bad, then... My information must be too old, incorrectly recalled, or both. *smile*

What is your BA cost, and what regen rate are you in?

QBsutekh137 January 23 2009 12:49 PM EST

And Aether, Sickone said it first. *smile* I just fleshed out some means of comparison, but I think my estimate was too low (especially looking at some of the top forgers -- they vary more than the 10-20% I mention...)

Good discussion! Forging always has a soft place in my heart...

Lochnivar January 23 2009 1:39 PM EST

There was another, much longer, discussion on this back in the day.
Prior to the 10/10 to 10/20 switch forging power was a straightforward case of BA Regen * BA cost (ie, for me 6 * 1240) for non-N*B chars.

This has changed and returned to the realm of mystery... however I am inclined to think the ratio of how effective various MPRs are at forging (again without bonus) is similar to what I listed in the original thread.

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