at what point? (in General)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 16 2009 5:18 PM EST

how would i figure out at what ncb bonus will tat growth equal or outpace ncb mtl growth?

Tyriel [123456789] February 16 2009 5:21 PM EST

MTL will always grow faster, they're both based on XP earned...

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 16 2009 5:30 PM EST

hmm, well mtl is based on virtual power level which is based on xp earned. tat growth is straight xp though. they would only grow at the same rate if the ratios are the same correct? do we know that those are the same, in effect is it a fixed increment of vpr per xp gained? or are they both based on vpr and at the same ratio?

Sickone February 16 2009 5:33 PM EST

Regular tattoo grows at 2/3 of MTL growth.
MTL growth is total XP growth / 24 ( = sum of raw levels growth / 2).
In other words, regular tattoo level grows at a (sum of raw levels growth / 3) rate.

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] February 16 2009 5:36 PM EST

ncb just multiplies rewards, it is like having 3.75 fights in one, it just gets you places faster. It won't change mtl/tat growth ratios.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 16 2009 5:48 PM EST

i am asking the wrong question but am not sure how to ask the right one! ; (

let me try this a little differently. if i continue to make ncb runs for tat growth i will reach a point where my mtl will keep me from adding much during my run. this will be somewhat balanced by an ever-increasing ncb bonus but probably not by enough. i would probably maximize growth by waiting for a certain bonus amount or for my tat to fall behind more.

there should be a way to figure out a formula for determining when you are at an optimum time to make another ncb run(where waiting longer really wouldn't gain you anything) but i cannot even really figure out where to start with that.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 16 2009 6:06 PM EST

i do realize that this will vary depending on many factors, but i am tracking data now with my ncb including average mpr, average tat and average mtl growth per week and i am fighting in a very uniform manner by maxing out natural ba regen and buying ba during bonus xp times only.

that would leave the main variable being ncb bonus which we can get fairly easily at any given time.

i am also not seeking something that is extremely precise just something that says wait longer or go for another ncb run now.

QBJohnnywas February 16 2009 6:06 PM EST

If what you are after is tattoo growth, then once you are at a certain level where your tatt is growing and being outpaced by MTL then it is probably better to stay there past your bonus period. Because remember you can then start buying BA at the normal rate, thus boosting your tattoo growth for cheaper. Maybe not at NCB rate but because it's cheaper you can actually get some pretty fast growth going on.

From my own experience of levelling for people last year, I got more growth on big tatts from doing normal fighting with bought BA every day.

I think that's the sort of thing you're after, but like you I'm not sure I'm answering you clearly enough!!! Formula? I don't think there is one.

iBananco [Blue Army] February 16 2009 6:09 PM EST

It depends a significant amount on how much of your BA you use. If you can figure out how long it'll be until you can equip your tattoo, your growth ratio compared to normally growing your tattoo is (1 + NCB Bonus) * (6 - how long in months)/6.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 16 2009 6:11 PM EST

that is what i am asking, if we could figure out some yardstick measurement for when it is better to go normal as opposed to ncb for tat growth.

i am bringing it up now because it seems possible to come up with one given enough data and am wondering if i am collecting all the data i need in case we can figure out how to go about getting something.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 16 2009 6:13 PM EST

thanks js, that is exactly what i was looking for. i should be able to figure out pretty accurately in weeks how long it would take before my tat would begin growing again! ; )

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 16 2009 6:20 PM EST

am i converting this correctly for weeks instead of months given 26 weeks in a six month period?

(1 + NCB Bonus) * (26 - how long in weeks)/26

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 16 2009 6:36 PM EST

with my current run, my tat started growing again in week 16 so:

(1 + 346) * (26 - 16)/26
347 * 10/26 = 133.5

does this mean then that my tat during this ncb run will grow approximately 33 percent more than if i had just fought normally?

QBJohnnywas February 16 2009 6:41 PM EST

I did a tattoo levelling on an NCB. I got a million levels out of it once it was outpaced by MTL and started to grow. By comparison, a million levels on normal growth but with bought ba every day, including crazy xp times took three months to do the same.

That was on old NCB levels.

Not sure if that gives you any useful information however!

QBJohnnywas February 16 2009 6:44 PM EST

I know, I know I said I got more out of normal, but remember, I'm old and confused. What I actually got out of normal growth was much cheaper BA and more cash. In terms of cost it might actually be cheaper to buy a bigger character and then grow your tattoo than run an NCB.

QBRanger February 16 2009 7:05 PM EST

(1 + 346) * (26 - 16)/26
347 * 10/26 = 133.5

Should this not be:

(1 + 3.46) * (26 - 16)/26

4.46 * 10/26 = 1.71

QBRanger February 16 2009 7:07 PM EST

or 71% more then if you fought normally by the time your NCB is over.

Assuming you do the same things as if you were fighting normally.

That is max your BA usage and buy all your BA (assuming you did that initially).

If you buy all your BA without the NCB but do not with the NCB, the calculation will be way off.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 16 2009 7:30 PM EST

aye, that was off on my part, this is why i do these calculations and ask for clarification.

as for the calculations being way off, i was really just looking for a yardstick rather than a predictor. in effect, something that tells me if one time would be good compared to another time rather than trying to get something that is an extremely accurate prediction of where my tat will end up.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] February 16 2009 7:42 PM EST

furthermore, you can get a number today, and then get another number next month and so on. you can then see what kind of increase you get over a set time period and thus how much of an effect you will get to your tat by waiting 3, 6, 9 or so months. these estimates of differences in tat growth should be fairly accurate as well.
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