No dex penalty from a BoM (in General)


QBJohnnywas May 18 2009 11:38 AM EDT

I don't appear to be experiencing any kind of penalty on the BoM with a two handed weapon. The stats below are my char with only a named BoM and a Morg equipped.

Experience: 26,251
Hit Points: 4,000,000
Armor: 38
Strength: 3,128,231 / 2,443,931
Dexterity: 2,285,360
Archery: 1.00
Net Worth: $23,643,815
Encumbered at: 224,298,603


The Grey King [84x2533] (+0) named Morg
The Mist Of Ravens [10] (+26) named BoM


This is on my equip page, but the dex is the same in the post battle page. There's nothing else equipped.


(Sorry for all you BoM users out there if you've already noticed this and were keeping quiet....)

AdminShade May 18 2009 11:42 AM EDT

isn't this penalty calculated in combat rather than from equip page?

QBJohnnywas May 18 2009 11:43 AM EDT

It should show on my post battle stats though shouldn't it, if that were the case? It doesn't.

AdminShade May 18 2009 11:45 AM EDT

It should be noted there indeed.

Have you fought someone without having any DX bonuses while your opponent didn't have any EC?

QBJohnnywas May 18 2009 11:47 AM EDT

I've fought people with simply the shield and morg and there's no other dex modifiers at play in the fight. No dex penalty. Not with the SoC that Dude kindly loaned me to test either.

Besides 12% penalty is pretty hard to miss!

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 18 2009 11:51 AM EDT

if it is not shield specific, i would wonder if it is weapon specific next.

either way, i added it to the wiki known issues.

AdminShade May 18 2009 11:52 AM EDT

True very true. Have you tried fighting with just the Shield equiped? ^_^


The BoM used to have a DX penalty, but currently it does not. From wiki:

# No penalty to DX and Skills with 1-handed melee weapons.
# Negative 12% to DX and Skills with 2-handed melee weapons.


The original penalty was calculated based on the penalty from 1 handed melee weapons. Since it does not have one any more, it also does not have a 2 handed melee weapon DX penalty. That's where the bug is.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 18 2009 12:04 PM EDT

if someone could test this out with a different two handed weapon that might help expedite a fix for this whenever the devs take a look at it. please post data here.

if that happens we also might want to rename the thread to something like:

bug: 2 hand dex penalty not being applied when used with shields

Colonel Custard May 18 2009 12:21 PM EDT

I had a MS equipped earlier, and I know it was lowering my DX. I think the main issue is what Shade said: 1h and 2h DX penalties used to be tied together, and with the change, the 2h DX penalty apparently doesn't get applied when there is no 1h penalty. It's not for all shields.

AdminShade May 18 2009 12:22 PM EDT

It is definitely the shield and not the weapon. :)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 18 2009 12:26 PM EDT

ok, i wasn't trying to argue. i just wanted to do thorough testing so that when the devs look at this thread they can:

1. quickly pinpoint where the bug is which leads to

2. promptly fixing it

sometimes they contact me for further testing and i may not have the gear, the time or the sobriety to do them justice. : )

i am trying now to get all the data i can into the threads so that hopefully they will stand on their own and use our devs bug-fixing time more efficiently after all, the quicker it goes the more they can fix and move on to implementation of new stuff.

AdminShade May 18 2009 12:39 PM EDT

no probs and I was merely trying to help you get to both points. ;)

1: problem lies with the DX penalties of the BoM itself, apparently a 2 handed melee weapon penalty isn't being calculated.

2: look at how 2 handed melee weapon penalties are being calculated. If they are based on their 1 handed melee penalty, then change it. If not, look at 3.

3: if every shield has all DX penalties listed as a 'stat' then it should be checked.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 18 2009 12:43 PM EDT

I've brought this up in chat before, and people thought I was crazy. There is no penalty for using the BoM with a 1h or 2h weapon. I have double checked with the MgS and the Mithril Shield. They both act as they are suppose to. I have a feeling that only the BoM is having problems.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 18 2009 12:45 PM EDT

jw said that my soc had the same issue, if i understood correctly from above.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 18 2009 12:47 PM EDT

both the mgs and ms still have a 1h dex penatly, whereas the soc and the bom have had their 1h penalty removed, so this fits with the current theory for the bug.

QBJohnnywas May 18 2009 12:47 PM EDT

Yeah, the SoC didn't give me a penalty either.

AdminNightStrike May 18 2009 5:31 PM EDT

Is the penalty from other shields that work right displayed on the equip page?

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 18 2009 5:35 PM EDT

Yes it is.

QBJohnnywas May 18 2009 5:35 PM EDT

I've just equipped a mithril shield on my char. Dex penalty shows up perfectly.

AdminNightStrike May 18 2009 5:47 PM EDT

Ok. Stuff that happens on the equip page is handled in an area that gets cached. I put the fix in, but you won't see it until one of several things happen.

QBJohnnywas May 18 2009 5:51 PM EDT

Cool. I'll keep an eye and see what happens. Thanks!

QBJohnnywas May 18 2009 6:11 PM EDT

That's fixed it. Penalty in place, both on the equip page and on the post battle page.

Thanks!!!

AdminNightStrike May 20 2009 2:19 AM EDT

Good. For the record, I fixed this for all current and future shields that provide no DX penalty. If a shield produces a DX bonus in the future for use with a 1H weapon, there will not -- currently -- be a 12% difference for the 2H option.
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