No dex penalty from a BoM (in General)
May 18 2009 11:38 AM EDT
I don't appear to be experiencing any kind of penalty on the BoM with a two handed weapon. The stats below are my char with only a named BoM and a Morg equipped.
Hit Points: 4,000,000
Strength: 3,128,231 / 2,443,931
Net Worth: $23,643,815
Encumbered at: 224,298,603
The Grey King [84x2533] (+0) named Morg
The Mist Of Ravens  (+26) named BoM
This is on my equip page, but the dex is the same in the post battle page. There's nothing else equipped.
(Sorry for all you BoM users out there if you've already noticed this and were keeping quiet....)
May 18 2009 11:42 AM EDT
isn't this penalty calculated in combat rather than from equip page?
May 18 2009 11:43 AM EDT
It should show on my post battle stats though shouldn't it, if that were the case? It doesn't.
May 18 2009 11:45 AM EDT
It should be noted there indeed.
Have you fought someone without having any DX bonuses while your opponent didn't have any EC?
May 18 2009 11:47 AM EDT
I've fought people with simply the shield and morg and there's no other dex modifiers at play in the fight. No dex penalty. Not with the SoC that Dude kindly loaned me to test either.
Besides 12% penalty is pretty hard to miss!
if it is not shield specific, i would wonder if it is weapon specific next.
either way, i added it to the wiki known issues.
May 18 2009 11:52 AM EDT
True very true. Have you tried fighting with just the Shield equiped? ^_^
The BoM used to have a DX penalty, but currently it does not. From wiki:
# No penalty to DX and Skills with 1-handed melee weapons.
# Negative 12% to DX and Skills with 2-handed melee weapons.
The original penalty was calculated based on the penalty from 1 handed melee weapons. Since it does not have one any more, it also does not have a 2 handed melee weapon DX penalty. That's where the bug is.
if someone could test this out with a different two handed weapon that might help expedite a fix for this whenever the devs take a look at it. please post data here.
if that happens we also might want to rename the thread to something like:
bug: 2 hand dex penalty not being applied when used with shields
I had a MS equipped earlier, and I know it was lowering my DX. I think the main issue is what Shade said: 1h and 2h DX penalties used to be tied together, and with the change, the 2h DX penalty apparently doesn't get applied when there is no 1h penalty. It's not for all shields.
May 18 2009 12:22 PM EDT
It is definitely the shield and not the weapon. :)
ok, i wasn't trying to argue. i just wanted to do thorough testing so that when the devs look at this thread they can:
1. quickly pinpoint where the bug is which leads to
2. promptly fixing it
sometimes they contact me for further testing and i may not have the gear, the time or the sobriety to do them justice. : )
i am trying now to get all the data i can into the threads so that hopefully they will stand on their own and use our devs bug-fixing time more efficiently after all, the quicker it goes the more they can fix and move on to implementation of new stuff.
May 18 2009 12:39 PM EDT
no probs and I was merely trying to help you get to both points. ;)
1: problem lies with the DX penalties of the BoM itself, apparently a 2 handed melee weapon penalty isn't being calculated.
2: look at how 2 handed melee weapon penalties are being calculated. If they are based on their 1 handed melee penalty, then change it. If not, look at 3.
3: if every shield has all DX penalties listed as a 'stat' then it should be checked.
May 18 2009 12:43 PM EDT
I've brought this up in chat before, and people thought I was crazy. There is no penalty for using the BoM with a 1h or 2h weapon. I have double checked with the MgS and the Mithril Shield. They both act as they are suppose to. I have a feeling that only the BoM is having problems.
jw said that my soc had the same issue, if i understood correctly from above.
both the mgs and ms still have a 1h dex penatly, whereas the soc and the bom have had their 1h penalty removed, so this fits with the current theory for the bug.
May 18 2009 12:47 PM EDT
Yeah, the SoC didn't give me a penalty either.
Is the penalty from other shields that work right displayed on the equip page?
May 18 2009 5:35 PM EDT
Yes it is.
May 18 2009 5:35 PM EDT
I've just equipped a mithril shield on my char. Dex penalty shows up perfectly.
Ok. Stuff that happens on the equip page is handled in an area that gets cached. I put the fix in, but you won't see it until one of several things happen.
May 18 2009 5:51 PM EDT
Cool. I'll keep an eye and see what happens. Thanks!
May 18 2009 6:11 PM EDT
That's fixed it. Penalty in place, both on the equip page and on the post battle page.
Good. For the record, I fixed this for all current and future shields that provide no DX penalty. If a shield produces a DX bonus in the future for use with a 1H weapon, there will not -- currently -- be a 12% difference for the 2H option.
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