ELS, not too shabby (in General)
May 18 2009 9:36 PM EDT
Dog rent The Showgirl with Murasama Blade 
with a x2176 ELB, naming included.
Compared to about 260k for an equivalent NW VB.
considering your thoughts on the BoNE I'm surprised you'd have nice things to say about it's half baked little brother...
May 19 2009 12:25 AM EDT
Well, it's good to see it's damage isn't garbage.... But not being terrible won't make up for the fact that it has no effect at all.
*shrugs* And comparing it to the VB is silly. The VB hasn't been used since the nerf. Which I'm both happy and sad about. Sad, because I love the weapon and wish it was a bit more useful (Jon. You nerfed the VB because it was reducing armor, then reduced armor. Please. Rebalance the scales there.) Happy, because I was proven right (even if for the wrong reasons).
As for this, it's just a slightly less enthusiastic meh now.
Nov for Ranger the ELS is infinitely times better than the BoNE. He has to go to round 10 or 11 before it does more damage than one of the same x. I doubt his battles ever last that long and he wins. Not to mention the bonus DX he gets.
May 19 2009 1:31 AM EDT
I imagine Ranger's thoughts on the BoNE have changed by now? With the introduction of ENC there is a clear limit as to how much damage you can do with any weapon, making the BoNE's advantage far more apparent.
May 19 2009 8:04 AM EDT
Actually, with losing a round wielding the Bone as well as the 12% dex penalty, I greatly prefer the ELS over the Bone.
May 19 2009 9:42 AM EDT
I'm referring to when you were arguing with Jon saying the BoNE was worthless compared to the MH, but yes I can see why the ELS is good for an archer.
May 19 2009 10:16 AM EDT
The ELS is great now that 2h shield penalties are working properly. It hits harder than the MH, can receive the bonus from the BoM, and a little leech or vorpalness really isn't enough of a bonus to make up the damage difference.
'Far as I'm concerned, the only better weapon is the BoNE. But everyone here knows how much/how long I've loved the BoNE. :)
May 19 2009 10:17 AM EDT
How does ELS do more dmg than MH? Doesn't MH have a higher base dmg?
May 19 2009 10:19 AM EDT
MH has a hidden damage penalty. The higher base that is shown gives a false impression; it does a little less damage than an ELS (putting the real base at something closer to 78 or 79.)
May 19 2009 10:20 AM EDT
oh, and BoTH has the same penalty. It's really closer to the damage of a VB. Both leeching weapons have this penalty, it just doesn't show in the base damage.
May 19 2009 10:23 AM EDT
that is silly
May 19 2009 10:25 AM EDT
I agree, I think the true base should show, but *shrug*
May 19 2009 10:55 AM EDT
If damages are changed due to hidden effects, it would be super nice to actually see it in the base stats.
IE the ELS is not actually 80, but more like 87, make it that way.
Or lower the MH from 84 to 76 if that is really what it be.
But right now, for my character, the ELS is a fantastic weapon.
No shield penalty, attacks right from the start of melee, and does pretty nice damage.
ELS gets me the win against Mikel...
To think, I was made fun of for using the ELS.
May 19 2009 8:46 PM EDT
What is the difference in damage between the BoNE and ELS?\
It's because with his massive DBs in play, the ELS hits 50% more than the BoNE.
May 19 2009 8:52 PM EDT
VB should go die!
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