Junctioned DX / ST bonuses (in General)


AdminShade May 20 2009 2:59 PM EDT

Someone tipped me on this and I'd like to have this either confirmed or disproved.


Apparently having a 21% or 25% DX bonus on a minion with 20 DX (only! 20 DX) causes the same DX bonus being applied to a Junctioned Familiar.

The Familiars really affected by this bug are the Halidon and the JKf because they rely on DX to hit.


Situation how it should work (example!)

20% DX bonus + Junction + Halidon with 1000 DX.
Minion gets 20 * 1.20 = 24 DX after bonuses
Halidon gets 1000 * 1.20 = 1200 DX after bonuses.

21% DX bonus + Junction + Halidon with 1000 DX.
Minion gets 20 * 1.21 = 24 DX after bonuses (rounded down)
Halidon gets 1000 * 1.21 = 1210 DX after bonuses.

25% DX bonus + Junction + Halidon with 1000 DX.
Minion gets 20 * 1.25 = 25 DX after bonuses
Halidon gets 1000 * 1.25 = 1250 DX after bonuses.



Alright that wasn't really shocking, only small DX differences, but imagine this with a 1 mil DX...





Now the way it most likely now works, either as designed or not:

The minion now gets the same DX bonus from either +21% DX or +23% DX.


This bug had been reported in March also but was not yet looked at I think. Is this as designed now or is this a bug?

AdminShade May 20 2009 3:15 PM EDT

Explanation to 'fix' this:


Train 960 points of experience in ST or DX to cover it. :D

Fatil1ty May 20 2009 3:43 PM EDT

here's the proof:

With + 21 EB's

Hal detonator Hello shmeeee
Experience 11,261 83 85
Hit Points -6,067,938 -8,101,501 -4,455,093 -5,967,827
Strength 819,057 20 2,904,447 2,386,753
Dexterity 1,064,774 24 336,000 2,357,485
Armor Class 31 31 40 30
Ranged Base to-Hit 100
Ranged Bonus to-Hit 97
Direct Damage 538
Damage Inflicted 0 0 0 0


With +23 EB's

Hal detonator Hello shmeeee
Experience 11,281 103 105
Hit Points -7,007,396 -6,546,904 -5,728,622 -4,948,138
Strength 819,059 20 2,904,447 2,386,753
Dexterity 1,064,776 24 336,000 2,357,485
Armor Class 33 33 40 30
Ranged Base to-Hit 100
Ranged Bonus to-Hit 97
Direct Damage 538
Damage Inflicted 0 0 0 0

Training 100 dex and +21 EB's:
Post-battle stats
Hal detonator Hello shmeeee
Experience 10,370 152 154
Hit Points -7,927,653 -8,191,843 -6,035,229 -4,474,705
Strength 819,061 20 2,904,447 2,386,753
Dexterity 1,077,065 121 336,000 2,357,485
Armor Class 31 31 40 30
Ranged Base to-Hit 100
Ranged Bonus to-Hit 97
Direct Damage 538
Damage Inflicted 0 0 0 0Training 100 natural dex on detonator with +23 EB's

Post-battle stats
Hal detonator Hello shmeeee
Experience 10,349 131 133
Hit Points -7,271,778 -8,490,972 -6,460,670 -6,342,567
Strength 819,059 20 2,904,447 2,386,753
Dexterity 1,101,634 123 336,000 2,357,485
Armor Class 33 33 40 30
Ranged Base to-Hit 100
Ranged Bonus to-Hit 97
Direct Damage 538
Damage Inflicted 0 0 0 0



This prooves the problem I tried to explain earlier about junction. Items should be applied to the familiar directly instead of applying the effect they have on the minion.

For skills the xp that is trained into a skill should be transferred and then all equipment bonuses/penalties applied and then any insufficient dex or other penalties.

Fatil1ty May 20 2009 3:44 PM EDT

by the way only the first number set in the dexterity field actually matters

Underage Drinking [Battle Royale] May 20 2009 5:27 PM EDT

well i just read this and sure enough i was unsure about wiether to sue my dbs or ebs to junction with my hal, but with the math behind it my eb+26 are boosting my hals dex by nearly 40% with my minions dex at 312k base and 393k with those dbs

hals current dex 305,288
hals dex with +26 dbs on 424,465

+26 should only give my hal a dex of 384,662.88, but hey thats a free 40k!


Underage Drinking [Battle Royale] May 20 2009 5:27 PM EDT

i wish we could edit our own posts*

iBananco [Blue Army] May 20 2009 5:50 PM EDT

Bonuses are 1.5x for intrinsics, so +26 EBs give a 39% bonus.
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