Where to go from here?? Thoughts?? (Strategy) (in General)

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- July 3 2009 3:03 AM EDT

Ok, so I've just hired my fourth minion. My plan setting out was to have all 4 minions by 2m MPR so that when I hit 4-5m MPR I'm not in a situation where two minions are good and the other two are garbage, but rather having all 4 minions on fair to equal footing.

Now I'm not sure how to proceed with my team. I've recently acquired force crush, and after bumping it's x to 4000, I find I can completely neutralize almost all tanks in a single shot/round. The only tanks that are spared are the tanks with large DBs... but I've got a plan to kill some of them off too. I can dump another 50-100m (if necessary) into the xbow's + combined with a 20-30m nw BoF maybe even sneak in an AoL somewhere in front of the xbow's carrier, would boost it's PTH to 230? 250? Keep in mind it only needs one hit to completely demolish a tank's ability to do damage. So what I'm getting at, is that I can pretty much destroy any tank at this point. The number of tanks in the game with high enough NW DBs to stop me after that upgrade if I wanted, would be so nominal that I can gladly just not fight them.

So what should I do? (Here is an example of the Carnage a x4000 Xbow does)

Yanki / Oddo
Strength: 6,903,680
Damage Before:
Oddo's explosive shot hit 7269082 [570185], 7128891 [181984], Hal [180106], Dave [148909], 6350294 [125447]

Damage after 1 xbow hit (xbow is on an enchanter):
Oddo's explosive shot hit 7128891 [130], Hal [0], Dave [0], 6350294 [0]


Ranger / Dog
Strength: 6,300,021
Damage Before:
Dog hit Dave with The Lunatic [1357914]
Dog struck deep into Dave with The Lunatic [1657645]
Dog struck deep into Dave with The Lunatic [1474032]
Dog skewered Dave with The Lunatic [1756455]

Damage after 1 xbow hit (xbow is on an enchanter):
Dog shot 6350294 with The Lunatic [265]
Dog shot 6350294 with The Lunatic [134]
Dog hit 6350294 with The Lunatic [160]
Dog shot 6350294 with The Lunatic [135]

My tattoo is currently: A Halidon Familiar lvl 3,641,376 66m NW...
My Character's XP would look like this after a full unlearn:

Minion 1:
1,758,686 XP

Minion 2:
2,716,884 XP

Minion 3:
51,915,598 XP

Minion 4:
35,782,514 XP

I'm open to suggestions / Ideas. I can afford to do pretty much anything at this point :O

{WW]Nayab [Cult of the Valaraukar] July 3 2009 4:10 AM EDT

Well if you have utterly wiped out tanks you have to options. a) Start finding a way to beat 4 minion teams or b) focus on beating mages. Your choice really, that way you will have a lot more targets

QBJohnnywas July 3 2009 6:04 AM EDT

A couple of things, that probably time and XP will sort out:

Against my char, yes you reduce my strength to zero, but what you don't reduce is the SoC flash and strike. So the more damage you do to me, which at the moment is quite low comparitively, the more likely it will be that I do decent damage back despite having negative strength.

And my dex means that you don't hit me that much. That might not matter much to reduce my strength, but it does mean you don't beat me. Maybe do the same with an axbow?

But otherwise time and xp...

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] July 3 2009 8:20 AM EDT

Strategically: It is never a good idea to ask a bunch of strangers if they'd like to tell you where to go, no matter from where you are starting.

QBRanger July 3 2009 9:41 AM EDT

Basing your entire strategy on an item that you know is unbalanced is never a good thing.

FailBoat[SG] [Forever Alone] July 3 2009 9:49 AM EDT

I can't wait for the nerf that destroys your team into uselessness.

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- July 3 2009 10:24 AM EDT

I wouldn't really call it 'basing my entire team' around it, considering I simply purchased it and threw it on an enchanter :|.

If it got fixed tomorrow I'd be fine with that.

Though in the meantime, why would it be bad to compliment the item? Considering it doesn't seem that the xbow is going to be changed. (I mean C'mon how long has Ranger been pointing out how broken it is?)

If you can't beat em, join em.


QBRanger July 3 2009 12:51 PM EDT

force crush [4x4000] (+120) worth $60,149,969 owned by Mandos (The Legend of Jiraiya)

Very nice item.

Very nice it nullifies:
The Lunatic [6x20000] (+220) worth $264,259,166 owned by QBRanger (Heroes) in 1 hit.

Now where is that mage DD leeching xbow one does not need to train a skill to use properly and can be put on a 20 str enchanter to get its full effect?

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- July 3 2009 1:00 PM EDT

Ranger, you know I have nothing but respect for you and everything, but I was honestly hoping for some opinions on my character's future. I've made a thread recently to discuss how broken the bow is, and I'm not arguing that fact, but this isn't really the thread for it in my mind.

Newlin [SeeD] July 3 2009 1:04 PM EDT

Put a high AC wall in front, and a mage wall in back using your two smaller minions and train only HP. Use your second largest minion for AMF only, and either make a MM mage or a tank with your largest minion.

Made up on the spot, wouldn't really use it :D

QBRanger July 3 2009 1:09 PM EDT

Right now I see that exbow on your tank.

Using it on an enchanter should be a bonus, not a way to neutralize tanks long term.

Your long term strategy would need a lot of things to be known.

What will your primary tank use as their weapon on choice?

Melee or missile.

From there one can make more determinations.

What items do you currently have for your tank, specifically weapons.

Do you want to go ToA or stay wiht your HF?

Why do you use AMF with a HF?

I would not rely on the exbow to take care of all the tanks out there due to a few reason. Specifically we know it has to be fixed sometime in the future, and on an enchanter it will likely do a fraction of the drain it does now. Some yes, however, not enough to nuke opponents tanks. DBs can make it hard for you to hit with little dexterity.

I would not put anymore NW into that exbow but maybe boost your current items depending on what they are.

With 4 minions, over time the xp dilution will make trying to have a main tank less and less optimal. Unless you go with a ToA or stay with the HF as you main damage choice and your minion tank as a mop up type of minion.

I am sorry about my rant against that exbow. It just really pisses me off seeing threads like this. Using the exbow to neutralize all other tanks on an enchanter with a moderately mid ranged weapon.

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- July 3 2009 1:19 PM EDT

I understand your frustration with the xbow completely Ranger, it's broken as hell, and I'll cheer right along with everyone else when and if it gets fixed, but seeing as I've got the bow, I might as well use it while it's worth using.

I had it on my enchanter, and the drain is the same, it only takes one shot regardless of the character it's on.

I only have it on Dave atm because it adds another 80% target to my fightlist. Likely it will only stay there until I get a worthy elb in Dave's hands.

I'm not sure what to do now though. I can slap a big Elb or Mageseeker on Dave, have the xbow on an enchanter, and it would basically be a 2 archer setup with a large PL wall to absorb magic...

I'm thinking I can BoF/AoI on the front minion to get that extra oomph from the archers.

I could swap to an RoBF strat, I have to many options to know what's best to do. >_<

I DO know I will not untrain HP as I firmly believe in strategies that can't be 'Dispelled' which leaves me steering away from GA/AS etc.


QBRanger July 3 2009 1:25 PM EDT

Before I or in fact anyone can give you strategy ideas we really have to know what you want to do with your character.

Right now, using that exbow on your tank seems to give you a good fightlist. Enough challenge bonus to grow.

But for the longer term, I would really need to know what you plan to use on your tank.

Whether ToA or HF.

Whether MsB, ELB, or SoD. Each requires a different and some similar enchantments.

Either way, I would go with DM if your going to use ranged damage like a HF.

A mageseeker may be your best bet IF you can use the Exbow long term.

I really do not like the MsB due to its lower damage and all the PL/TSA/HP minions our there.

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- July 3 2009 1:39 PM EDT

Yeah I've been weighing my options, if I do the archer strat, I can start building a large ELB and Run DM...

My AMF is just a lvl 100,000 AMF to stop Decay from eating me alive.

DM was my main thought though.
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