RIP: Teddy (in Debates)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TedKennedy/story?id=6692022

Mary Jo Kopechne is finally at peace.

You're more stereotypical than I thought Ranger, good on ya for keeping the faith going in the face of the greatest decline in American "conservatism" ever.

American conservatism is getting stronger each day.

The anti Obama movement is growing.

But with respect to Teddy, I stand by my statement.

The anti- Obama movement is a joke.

So everyone has to be pro Obama?

One cannot think his policies mimic those of Jimmy Carter and his failed big government.

Interesting to know.

"So everyone has to be pro Obama?"

No. Read what he said.

The anti-Obama MOVEMENT is, in fact, a joke.

Ah, then please explain how it is a joke.

Any more than the pro-Obama movement.

Is it a joke just because you disagree with it?

Is it a joke because they are trying to make American better in their view of how things should be?

Is it a joke because we disagree with the annoited one?

Please explain how it is a joke.

"Ah, then please explain how it is a joke. "

Death panels.

Birthers.

"Is it a joke because they are trying to make American better in their view of how --things should be--?"

Also, statements like this.

So you claim it is a joke because you disagree with their point of view.

How very unAmerican of you.

I do admit there is a pro-Obama movement and still is one. Even thought I completely disagree with the direction he is taking the country.

Nice to see you tolerant of other peoples views. Typically Democrat.

Do you also think I am a racist for not blindly following Obama into the Abyss?

"So you claim it is a joke because you disagree with their point of view."

No, it's a joke because it's a pack of lies.

How pathetic.

So now you say the Anti-Obama movement is full of lies.

Not like Obama who has never lied.

Not about transparency in his administration.

Not about the use of campaign financing.

Not about having no lobbyists in his administration.

Not about waiting 5 days to sign bills into law.

And the list goes on.

Both sides are full of misinformation.

However, that does not stop the fact that Obama's approval rating is falling. His public support for healthcare is below 50%, and some key members of the Democratic party are very scared about their prospects for reelection in 2010.

I think the Anti-Obama movement is doing just fine. And growing stronger each day we see the deficit grow. With new adjusted numbers never before seen.

Everytime you put words in his mouth, you prove how big of a joke the movement is.

Thank you Deadsoul.

The only reason I'm not ripping apart Ranger's sad excuse for an argument piece by piece is because we're swamped at work right now. Maybe later.

Let us see how big a joke this movement is.

I doubt Obamacare will get passed. And in 2010, watch out for a change in Congress. A lot of Democrats are going back to angry people and will not get reelected.

But I guess that is what people said 2 years ago of the pro-Obama movement.

It was nothing but smoke and mirrors and we see where that got us. 9T in debt and counting. Government ownership of GM, the banks, and an attempt to own healthcare.

People see the lies of the current administration and are not putting up with it anymore.

Please, think the anti-Obama movement is a joke. That will make our job a lot easier.

But I guess the one thing recently that makes me really not like Teddy is his attempt to manipulate the process by which his replacement is named. Another politician (and yes both sides do it) that manipulates the law to their own parties advantage.

That alone make me want to puke. Just a disgusting display of an abuse of power.

I also think it's a joke that what was supposed to be a tribute to a Senator of the United States was immediately hijacked by more conservative ranting.

I get it, you guys have political views. Stop hijacking this thread, all of you.

Bam, moved to debates. Even though it seems hardly appropriate to debate in a thread dedicated to a mans death, some people have a fair bit of frustration they'd like to vent, and that is why this is in debates now.

This shouldn't be in debates. It was supposed to be a tribute to Ted Kennedy, not another political argument.

What a bloody shame that we couldn't just have that.

People are frustrated, just because the president is democrat, and a lot of the congress is democrat, does not mean everyone is democrat. I remember hearing a lot of the same hyperbole the more conservative people are saying now sounds about the same as what the democrats were saying before. In this country at least, everybody gets their fair time to say what they're thinking.

Meanwhile, I think maybe we should let some of the political vitriol rest for a bit. The man had some fine achievements, he wasn't perfect, but speaking ill of him now is just self-serving and kinda low.

He certainly has done a lot of good for America.

The ADA, and other legislation in this regard was ground breaking.

However, we should not nominate him for sainthood just yet.

There were quite a few negatives in his life that need to be thought of as well.

And the family of the woman in the car who died would agree.

heh, this thread is beginning to remind me of "How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must)"

It seems other than that one mistake leaving the crime scene; he was completely immaculate. At least Nixon couldn't find anything.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090828/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_kennedy_and_nixon

Learn some respect Ranger.

Tell that to Mary Jo's family will ya.

People make mistakes you jerk.

Coincidentally enough, I recently had non-immediate family member die to drowning, and I have full confidence that his family did their best to save him. Yet there are still wild accusations flying around.

And if you believe it was malicious then you'll probably believe this too.

RNC: Republicans will be denied healthcare
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/08/27/rnc/index.html

Cube,

I have never stated that Teddy did not do fantastic things for the country.

As I personally have a disability, the ADA was a huge benefit to me and something I am thankful for.

However, let us not give Teddy sainthood just yet.

In the vien of mistakes,

I guess Ted Bundy just made a poor choice.

Or Mike Vick made a mistake.

These are choices people make, with consequences. As the Kennedy's buried this story, nobody will really know what happened that night.

Only that according to the judge in the case, Teddy's actions likely contributed to her death.

What I have a problem with is, making such an incident the focus of your first post. The second post sparked a debate, and I don't know if it was intentional or not. You also were the only one to bring up 'sainthood' or anything similar.

I will leave it at simply, it lacks tact.

"I guess Ted Bundy just made a poor choice."

You're comparing an accidental death to the actions of a serial killer just because you stand on the opposite side of the political isle?

That's grotesquely low.

We do not really know it was an "accidental death".

All we have is the word of someone who waited almost 10 hours to report an "accident" where someone drowned.

Sounds a bit suspicious to me.

If it was anyone but a Kennedy, I do feel jail time would have been given. But a Kennedy gets off. Just like his rapist nephew a few years later.

And if you happen to even read my posts LB, you can see I give the man plenty of kudos. However, this incident is nothing to be glossed over.

What I'm finding funny about this thread is the talk about socialism and communism and how all the leaders/senators/whatever from the democratic party are communists and socialists.

Not that I care more or less but you guys dont know communism or socialism even if Kim Jong-il hit you with a commy stick and called you "Dear leader"

Actually Henk,

Nobody used those words in this thread until you just now.

PS: With your current user name, do you not expect to incite people? Knowing how polarizing he is.

All in all I can't believe a Ted Bundy comparison was made and then defended.

There are better ways to make a point than sheer hyperbole.

"We do not really know it was an "accidental death"."

You don't know that it was otherwise.

We agree that the way he handled the situation was incredibly poor. Also that it's unfortunate that he got special treatment due to his social standing. That I will not argue with.

But comparing him to Ted Bundy or Michael Vick is just uncalled for.

"Nobody used those words in this thread until you just now."

In this case, correct, but you are known for your cries of "wahhh, socialism!" and your poor understanding of what it really is.

I guess I resort to hyperbole when people take it upon themselves to personally attack me in the forums.

Like calling me a jerk.

Perhaps I went a bit overboard but there are mistakes and then there are Mistakes.

Killing someone, or helping to cause their death is a bit more than a mistake.

Teddy was not a saint, a good man certainly. But one where both his good points and bad ones need to be viewed.

"I guess I resort to hyperbole when people take it upon themselves to personally attack me in the forums."

That's rather sad. And I'd say given your first post here, let alone the other ones, you were asking for it.

"Perhaps I went a bit overboard but there are mistakes and then there are Mistakes. Killing someone, or helping to cause their death is a bit more than a mistake."

Again, you have no way of knowing it wasn't the accident it was ruled to be.

Stop pretending as if he's a murderer.

"Teddy was not a saint, a good man certainly."

Nobody is calling him a saint, and again, you were the first one to use that word and imply anybody else thought that way, which is how you usually handle any discussion.

As for your sentence above, I agree with it one hundred percent. It doesn't excuse the fact that your posts here, especially the first one, are rude and unnecessary.

In other words: stop trolling.

nope no one used those word but everyone is dancing around it. Get to point already.