VA: RoS, MGS and ENC (in General)
OK, I'm currently using VA, combined with a RoS.
Trained as base, I have;
VA 1,664 / 1,195
This gives me on a 874 hit a (-6) Drain. :/ OK, so at low levels, VA can hurt yourself. But my VA is twice my Damage.
Next, I tohught I'd see the impact form wearing a MGS.
I gained a 44% ENC, and my VA changed to;
VA 496 / 1,195
So, more negative drain I thought.
Hitting the same opponent for 221 and 244 (reduced due to ENC) damage gave me (781) and (833) Drain!
How does that work?
November 19 2009 10:11 AM EST
I thought spells shouldn't cast with MGS on?
The RoS is a sneaky, but working as intended (From Jon on a Bug list thread i made a while ago) workaround to that.
The MGS sets trained EDs to zero. Then the RoS adds it's levels to the zero base. ;)
Giving you a castable ED while wearing a MGS.
November 19 2009 10:18 AM EST
well, isn't that just nifty neat-o. cool find!
November 19 2009 10:22 AM EST
so you drained for nearly 4 times your damage?
Back into hundreds of negative drian now from Training a little. :/
Giest pulverized No 
Giest draws strength from his weapon! [-719]
Increasing my ENC lowers my negative Drain.
Up to 58% ENC;
Giest crushed No 
Giest draws strength from his weapon! [-155]
November 19 2009 10:30 AM EST
VA at lower levels is very labile.
That is why most people suggest not training it till 100k MPR.
The RoS/MgS thing is not really a bug. The MgS works first, lowering your ED to 0, then the RoS takes effect.
This is to stop items like a corn working on the RoS given ED.
If the MgS and other items worked at the end, after the RoS effect, then the corn would add to the RoS levels, making it very overpowered.
I think as Jon would say: "working as intended".
Perhaps he could go in and code a work around, with the MgS being a special case. But meh, it is not a huge problem we see in normal gameplay.
Why does upping my ENC actually improve my VA Drain?
Both hits were luckily the for the same damage, and you can see how the Drain has improved due only to increasing my ENC.
Surely, it should be the other way around.
I'm lowering my VA cast, so I should suffer *more* negative drain, not less.
I'm going to load up on more ENC until I'm back into positive Drain..
November 19 2009 11:16 AM EST
I guess more ENC puts you over your ENC limit, thereby reducing your strength, reducing your damage.
That can change how much VA does given the lower level you are currently at.
*cough* increase the xp required to train VA *cough*
There is NO reason every attribute needs to be attainable in your first set of BA, or even your first week.
It wouldn't have been.
Not without a 444% XP Bonus. ;)
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