VA: RoS, MGS and ENC (in General)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 19 2009 10:08 AM EST

OK, I'm currently using VA, combined with a RoS.

Trained as base, I have;

VA 1,664 / 1,195

This gives me on a 874 hit a (-6) Drain. :/ OK, so at low levels, VA can hurt yourself. But my VA is twice my Damage.

Next, I tohught I'd see the impact form wearing a MGS.

I gained a 44% ENC, and my VA changed to;

VA 496 / 1,195

So, more negative drain I thought.

Hitting the same opponent for 221 and 244 (reduced due to ENC) damage gave me (781) and (833) Drain!

How does that work?

Rawr November 19 2009 10:11 AM EST

I thought spells shouldn't cast with MGS on?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 19 2009 10:15 AM EST


The RoS is a sneaky, but working as intended (From Jon on a Bug list thread i made a while ago) workaround to that.

The MGS sets trained EDs to zero. Then the RoS adds it's levels to the zero base. ;)

Giving you a castable ED while wearing a MGS.

NooneKnows November 19 2009 10:18 AM EST

well, isn't that just nifty neat-o. cool find!

Rawr November 19 2009 10:22 AM EST

so you drained for nearly 4 times your damage?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 19 2009 10:26 AM EST

Back into hundreds of negative drian now from Training a little. :/

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 19 2009 10:27 AM EST

43% ENC

Giest pulverized No [985]
Giest draws strength from his weapon! [-719]


AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 19 2009 10:28 AM EST

Increasing my ENC lowers my negative Drain.

Up to 58% ENC;

Giest crushed No [985]
Giest draws strength from his weapon! [-155]

QBRanger November 19 2009 10:30 AM EST

VA at lower levels is very labile.

That is why most people suggest not training it till 100k MPR.

The RoS/MgS thing is not really a bug. The MgS works first, lowering your ED to 0, then the RoS takes effect.

This is to stop items like a corn working on the RoS given ED.

If the MgS and other items worked at the end, after the RoS effect, then the corn would add to the RoS levels, making it very overpowered.

I think as Jon would say: "working as intended".

Perhaps he could go in and code a work around, with the MgS being a special case. But meh, it is not a huge problem we see in normal gameplay.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 19 2009 10:31 AM EST

Why does upping my ENC actually improve my VA Drain?

Both hits were luckily the for the same damage, and you can see how the Drain has improved due only to increasing my ENC.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 19 2009 10:32 AM EST

Surely, it should be the other way around.

I'm lowering my VA cast, so I should suffer *more* negative drain, not less.

I'm going to load up on more ENC until I'm back into positive Drain..

QBRanger November 19 2009 11:16 AM EST

I guess more ENC puts you over your ENC limit, thereby reducing your strength, reducing your damage.

That can change how much VA does given the lower level you are currently at.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 19 2009 12:15 PM EST

*cough* increase the xp required to train VA *cough*

There is NO reason every attribute needs to be attainable in your first set of BA, or even your first week.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 19 2009 1:18 PM EST

It wouldn't have been.

Not without a 444% XP Bonus. ;)

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