Nerf the RoBF & EXBow! How about the MoD? (in General)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 16 2009 8:45 AM EST


Becuase it's Xmas! Enjoy!

The RoBF and the Exbow are seen currently as the two largest (or at least in the top four, alongside the ELBow and PL/TSA) unbalanced or broken things in the game.

Mostly, the arguement used is that they let smaller characters with less NW beat larger characters with more NW.

In that case, we're targetting the wrong thing, and we really should be looking to smack the MoD with the nerf carp of doom!

The MoD is responsible for a much smaller charcater, with less networth, farm a larger character, with more NW, using not one of the top 4 'imba' broken items, but three of them!

The RoBF, EXBow and PL/TSA triple combo of WIN!

All brought low by the meek MoD.

Team stats;

MPR: 3,684,155
N/W: 253,157,594

MPR: 5,108,859
N/W: 391,784,839

So 72% of the MPR and 65% of the NW. Capable of farming the uber RoBF, EXBow (as a Tank as well!!!!!) and PL/TSA.

Now that's *got* to be enough justification for a nerf.


It surely couldn't be a case of specialising, could it?

QBJohnnywas December 16 2009 8:49 AM EST

I switched to the MoD, purely because of this for only a couple of hours and then switched back. Because it made no difference to me. I suspect the EC to be more useful in this particular situation.

However in a similar vein, my mageseeker lets me take on teams with over a million more MPR than me. And not just one or two, or a single strat, but several different strats and several teams.

Admittedly it's one of the biggest weapons in the game, with a lot of NW, but having said that, it's half the size of the biggest ELB out there.

Therefore, the mageseeker= OP!

QBsutekh137 December 16 2009 9:07 AM EST

I agree that these things should both be nerfed. They are items, and will only get bigger.

What do the MgS, exbow, MoD, and ELB all have in common? All items. And because of their size/ability, they are allowing large challenge bonuses (apparently more than any DD spell, unless the next thread is: "MM is teh oVERpowderdz!")

Why are these items making so much difference? Doesn't ENC help hold such things in check?

NOTE: I know this thread was created somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it is no secret that I tend to speak out against massive items and the fact they lead to imbalance since they can simply never go away (unlike what characters tend to do after transfers/retrains/retires) I'll take a soapbox whenever I can get it. *smile*

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 16 2009 9:20 AM EST

:) I'll put that soapbox out for ya anytime! ;)

(And ENC is absolutley something I'd like tweaked)

But, the MoD used isn't massive, at x1166 +70. It's quite the baby in the weapon world. Especially if you look at all the 5 digit 'x' weapons. ;)

Surely *even* more cause for a nerf!!!!!

QBRanger December 16 2009 9:33 AM EST

I do not know about you, but I do not see Ares beating Rocket anymore.

A simple tweak to Rocket's strategy made Ares now lose.

So where again is the OP MoD? If a simple tweak can change the battle.

Unlike the exbow where a tweak does nothing.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 16 2009 9:41 AM EST

It was a 'tweak' in the first place that allowed Ares to win.

Ah strategy manipulations.

Still, look at the MPR/NW difference. Who knows how the match up would go if both teams were of equal size...

But that's not the point though, is it. ;)

QBRanger December 16 2009 9:44 AM EST

Of course it is the point.

You made it the point but throwing out the Ares vs Rocket as an example of the MoD being too powerful.

Yes, when you have a RoBF on a 20 hp minion backed by a huge PL/TSA/revive minion, you are vulnerable to the MoD.

But a simple change in items takes care of it and in this case did.

However, this is not true for the exbow. A simple change in items does not make one not lose when one did.

The MoD is just fine. But again, all melee weapons and melee in general is just crap. Due to numerous reason that are above the pay grade of this thread.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 16 2009 9:49 AM EST

The point is that a Tank beat the dreaded RoBF/EXbow combo. A Tank.

By clever use of strategy and mechanics.

And also utilising a couple of the methods previosuly mentioned for combating the EXbow. Namely EC and PL.

And that the Tank was significantly smaller than the team using the dreaded RoBF/EXBow combo.

Wraithlin December 16 2009 10:06 AM EST

This thread is funny.

Are people actually still surprised to find counters in this game that allow you to fight people higher than you?

Good stuff.

QBRanger December 16 2009 10:13 AM EST

No GL,

Nem's strategy had a flaw that he quickly fixed.

Now, appropriately done, this characters cannot be beat by anyone but the top dogs.

A flaw in a strategy does not make an item overpowered if it is used to exploit that flaw.

QBOddBird December 16 2009 10:15 AM EST

I think I would agree with that assessment most closely.

It was just a lack of accounting for an item.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 16 2009 10:29 AM EST

Make that MoD (and team) of equivalent size and NW, and it would *easily* cut through the 150K HP 'tweak', to again gain the win.


While I'd like to see a change to the binary nature of CB (all of it, from to hit to the EXBow drain), I think this quite adequatly highlights the flaws with the current "ZOMG 'x' item is OP" threads going around.

It doesn't take abusing weaknesses in strategies into account, nor specialisation versus generalisation.

There is *no way* the RoBF is some kind of OP tattoo, and while the EXBow could use a 'tweak' to it's drain mechanics, it *can* be defeated/beaten/countered/foiled (EC and PL here, on a Tank...) and isn't the ruin of all Tank teams.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 16 2009 10:32 AM EST

A flaw in a strategy does not make an item overpowered if it is used to exploit that flaw.

Like relying on GA and being beaten by the RoBF non returnable damage. Or being an all out offensive Tank with limited defense and coming acropper to the EXBow.

Exactly. ;) We agree 100%.

QBRanger December 16 2009 10:50 AM EST


Now you are just putting things that have nothing to do with each other together to try to make a point.

But if I have to continue to instruct you on the flaws in your initial post anymore, I will just lose my mind.

But to say the MoD is overpowered due to it being able to beat someone due to a small flaw in their strategey is so laughable.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 16 2009 10:53 AM EST

as opposed to a large flaw...

Come on Ranger learn to laugh at yourself just a little.

QBRanger December 16 2009 11:12 AM EST

I guess there is no difference between a small flaw of having an item on the wrong minion vs a large flaw of just not being able to have 300+ AC to help vs the exbow.

Yes, my bad :)

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] December 16 2009 11:30 AM EST

If this is a joke, ha ha. If not, I was hoping it would be brought up ;P.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] December 16 2009 11:31 AM EST

Oh, and if anyone can't see why I can farm him and it's not the MoD btw, let me know and I'll point it out.
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