PR/MPR ratio drops when not upgrading (in General)


AdminShade February 16 2010 12:25 PM EST

When not upgrading your items, the ratio between your PR and MPR very very slowly decreases even while your PR-MPR increases a bit (which is due to tattoo growth)

I have noted down a few times training 600k experience on both my minions and calculated the PR-MPR increase and the PR/MPR ratio decrease. (i.e. 39% would be 139k PR with a 100k MPR)

PR / MPR : 5,660,731 / 4,052,611
39.681%
PR / MPR : 5,676,507 / 4,067,537
39.556%
With this training my PR/MPR ratio decreased 0.12% while my PR increased 850 more than my MPR.



PR / MPR : 5,681,790 / 4,067,537
39.686%
PR / MPR : 5,696,806 / 4,082,450
39.544%
With this training my PR/MPR ratio decreased 0.14% while my PR increased 103 more than my MPR.


What tells you this? That when you don't invest money in your items because it would not improve your fighting ability enough, that your character will very slowly become more efficient PR/MPR wise.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] February 16 2010 12:52 PM EST

It's your tattoo Shade. As your mpr increases your tat level gets further away from your MTL. The amount of PR added by your tat then goes down.

Item based PR should continue to increase as the size of the minions wearing the items goes up.

AdminShade February 16 2010 1:08 PM EST

The amount of PR added by your tat then goes down.

Didn't I just prove the opposite even if it's a very small amount. Also I don't (know if/think) that the tattoo's growth is based on MTL at all when it's under (would be very strange imho)


My PR added by my tat increased, so item based PR does increase. It's just the ratio between PR and MPR which decreases slowly because your MPR increases.

iBananco [Blue Army] February 16 2010 2:19 PM EST

Some (all?) items add nonlinear PR. My bow on a 1 MPR char gives 1M PR.

Sickone February 16 2010 2:39 PM EST

Also I don't (know if/think) that the tattoo's growth is based on MTL at all when it's under (would be very strange imho)

Tattoo growth rate is exactly 2/3 of MTL growth rate
Didn't I just prove the opposite even if it's a very small amount.

Not necessarily.

Your tattoo, if not PRECISELY at 2/3 of your MTL will have a different percentage effect on your PR/MPR ratio, since its effect on PR is not perfectly balanced with the MPR effect on PR.

If your tattoo level is below 2/3 MTL, then your PR/MPR will keep going up slowly.
If your tattoo level is above 2/3 MTL, then your PR/MPR will keep going down slowly.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] February 16 2010 2:58 PM EST

If you have more than 1 minion your PR ratio will shift. You are adding exp to each minion at the same amount but if they have different amounts of experience and equipment it will shift that ratio.

TheHatchetman February 16 2010 3:17 PM EST

Also I don't (know if/think) that the tattoo's growth is based on MTL at all when it's under (would be very strange imho)


tats grow at a rate of about 2/3 of your MTL. They're both based on XP, so they are hand in hand with each other. The only differences between the two come with retrains.

Some (all?) items add nonlinear PR. My bow on a 1 MPR char gives 1M PR.


Weapons work like that. It let me use my BoNE to pump my score to boost future targets with my NCB. 412 AC on a 1 PR/MPR minion = 0 PR added

AdminShade February 16 2010 5:05 PM EST

Some (all?) items add nonlinear PR. My bow on a 1 MPR char gives 1M PR.
Weapons work like that.

Don't have those, and I haven't upgraded any other items than the Tattoo I have.
If you have more than 1 minion your PR ratio will shift.

True, the experience ratio as a whole shifts, but the total MPR increase remains what it is (even if it increases a bit less the second training than the first)



Anyway I just thought to share something strange with you all, even if it's not rocket science. Currently my PR grows a little bit faster than my MPR (either that or I have been cheating on exp gain), though the ratio between PR and MPR doesn't increase at the same rate.

For me the above is a positive thing, as I don't need to upgrade any items any time soon and just need experience to keep my build working :)
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