Have we proven yet (in General)


TheHatchetman March 28 2010 10:44 AM EDT

that we are not grown up enough for political discussion of any sort?

Really?

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] March 28 2010 10:47 AM EDT


How loosely are you applying "we"?

Lochnivar March 28 2010 10:49 AM EDT

.... or 'any sort' for that matter.

TheHatchetman March 28 2010 10:53 AM EDT

if one can discuss, then all can. So "we" is pretty loose here.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] March 28 2010 10:57 AM EDT


Then "Yes."

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 28 2010 11:10 AM EDT

indubitably

Zenai March 28 2010 11:29 AM EDT

There is the capacity to discuss the problem is the fortitude to continue discussing. More often than not it degenerates from the involved parties actual intelligence to their shoe size in commentary. If we can find a way around this then yes it should be done but if only one ot two people out of one hundred can have a read debate then it is not worth it. Let those few take it to a private room or CMs.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 28 2010 11:32 AM EDT

in short, what does having the debate thread and allowing religious or political discussions with said thread add to the game or our community that balances the fact that it might possibly drive some people away or leave a bad taste in their mouth?


a question i posed in another thread that no one has bothered to answer yet.

AdminTitan March 28 2010 1:22 PM EDT

It's not driving away new players, it might drive away old players, but even before the debate/discussions thread we had those debates, they were just in Off Topic, at least now people can turn it off.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 28 2010 1:24 PM EDT

actually, political and religious discussions were frowned upon in cb1 and in the early days of cb2. they were tolerated, but only until they became unproductive at which point they were closed. this usually took less than a dozen posts.

ScY March 28 2010 1:47 PM EDT

Does debating about us being grown up enough for political discussion count?

Lochnivar March 28 2010 2:04 PM EDT

If it does count then I can almost guarantee the affirmative case will lose this debate.

AdminTitan March 28 2010 3:08 PM EDT

Okay, sorry dude, for the last 3-4 years they have been happening anyway :). As for losing new players, most new players leave within 24 hours. I'm sure they've had very any time to check out debate threads before even making their NP post.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 28 2010 3:20 PM EDT

in short, what does having the debate thread and allowing religious or political discussions with said thread add to the game or our community that balances the fact that it might possibly drive some people away or leave a bad taste in their mouth?


Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 28 2010 3:22 PM EDT

Titan

* Supporter

Member since June 5, 2008

3 or 4 years? ; )

AdminTitan March 28 2010 3:26 PM EDT

Ranger and LB have both been here since 2005, so I just assumed that 3-4 years was a conservative estimate ;).

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- March 28 2010 3:34 PM EDT

Did Titan just admit to being a multi? O.o? =)

Lochnivar March 28 2010 3:52 PM EDT

If you browse back through the old off-topic threads in the archive (say around 2006) the presence of political debates in CB is almost non-existent... not sure when this started to change, but it seems to have crept in.

Considering the question of whether or not these 'debates' cause people to leave I think it is unwise to focus only on vets or newbies.
Here's my take, if these debates have forced even just 5 people to leave then there is a problem, because I'm pretty sure they haven't brought anyone in.

And no, Titan did not just to being a multi...

.. at least, since he is my multi he better not have blabbed. :-0

AdminTitan March 28 2010 3:56 PM EDT

And loch did an awful job, he didn't even get top 10 with his multi XD. As for the debates, I think would should ask old timers if they left b/c of the debates, those would be the people it affects.

QBJohnnywas March 28 2010 3:58 PM EDT

The political 'debates' crept in around the time we stopped talking strategy and started concentrating on overpowered items. Funnily enough the sides you quite often see in those are the sides you see in the political debates.

There's usually similar moments in both when they switch from being debate to argument to mudslinging. Funny that.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 28 2010 5:11 PM EDT

"I think would should ask old timers if they left b/c of the debates, those would be the people it affects."

which is why i have stated what i have in this thread! i have been playing since march of '03 and i am stating that the community was much more cohesive and less polar when these type of threads were not allowed.

while i haven't left, i am still concerned about this. once again though i ask someone to tell me what allowing these discussions brings to the game or the community that makes them worth the risk?

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] March 28 2010 5:44 PM EDT

I'm sorry, I really like the political and sometimes the religious debates, but I forget that some people take things personally when they debate. I know it can be incredibly hard to have a logical debate when someone has invested their emotions into it at some level or another.

I don't like to put the hammer down on people, because then they tend to whine and complain that they are being unfairly singled out. I guess the easiest way to solve this issue is to close threads that have devolved into little more then street-brawls.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 28 2010 6:02 PM EDT

i am not on a campaign to remove the debates (though i wouldn't mind at all going back to the days of yore on that count) but i would like one of two things to happen.

if it isn't already, make debates off by default or post a disclaimer at the top of debates threads telling users how to turn it off.

i do think they need to be moderated more and have more of a zero tolerance policy in that forum.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] March 28 2010 6:22 PM EDT

I think debates and links might be off by default. I believe this was how it was at least when I helped a couple people get started.
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