Holy man proves no food or drink claim (in Links)


AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 11 2010 3:08 AM EDT

Holy man proves no food or drink claim

Awesome!

Zenai May 11 2010 6:53 AM EDT

Ooooooooo that will be a bit hit the the FDA!

If this turns out to be completely true being able to harness it and teach it to others would help a great deal with world hunger.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 11 2010 7:32 AM EDT

I can't wait for the results to be released in about a months time.

Photosynthesis, or pure Mental Will?

Demigod May 11 2010 8:13 AM EDT

Or pure sham

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] May 11 2010 8:28 AM EDT

Okay. So meditation is his trick according to what I'm reading about the guy. Pretty much spends the day meditating. Let's say it works. (It most probably doesn't.)

It would be useful to people trapped under rubble, or stuck on a deserted island. That kind of thing. Soldiers, lost expeditions...

However, if to be able to consume nothing for two weeks means meditating for two weeks...you're not very productive during that period. It's great that you won't die, but on the other hand you're as useful as a rock.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 11 2010 8:51 AM EDT

Read the link guys (and this isn't the first story posted about him). He was constantly watched, and segregated for two weeks, to prove his claim (Which he has been making for a long time).

He lives his life as normal, and if it's something that can be easily replicated it goes far beyond the survivalist, but into reductions of living costs.

Imagine if Food and Water became a luxury, and not a necessity. ;)

Demigod May 11 2010 9:10 AM EDT

I did read the link. But there's no proof in the article aside from an unverifiable claim that he was monitored. And I'm going to offend some people with this comment, but remember that rural India also has a problem with deadly witch hunts and other such nonsense.

What's more likely, that this guy has somehow transcended all known reality of energy transferal, or that the questionable source is just too questionable.

Zenai May 11 2010 9:16 AM EDT

One thought a friend and I came up with may be plausible.


In the Stone Ages there was not Vitamins and Minerals in abundance via Foodstuffs. Everything was limited at best. So how did they live? Well we all know several things that cause the body to age and the basic element to make us go.

What Ages Us:

Free Radicals
Pollutants
Stress

What Basic Element makes us Go:

Hydrogen


The Ozone back then was far more intact. Pollutants were nil and the greatest stress we had was getting eaten. So how was it that our ancestors lived back then without the basic supplimental elements we have to have now?

Theory: Hydrogen Synthesis

After all it was incredibly abundant back then what if we really were able to do just this. What if this is what this Yogi figured out?

Stranger things have happened. I've watched ppl put there hands through concrete blocks without a broken bone to show for it. Women of small stature lift cars off of their children without ill side effects. Still others have had Electricty and Ampers behind it that would french fry people go through them and they walk away without a scratch. There can be a number of explainations to all of these but what if?

I cannot wait to see these results!

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 11 2010 10:03 AM EDT

If my calculations are correct, two weeks is 1/1820 of 7 decades. This is some very rigorous testing!

ControlFreak May 11 2010 3:03 PM EDT

I only follow four laws without question.. those of thermodynamics.
People breaking them makes me mad.

iBananco [Blue Army] May 11 2010 3:40 PM EDT

If this turns out to be completely true being able to harness it and teach it to others would help a great deal with world hunger.
Living without food for 15 days isn't a pleasant undertaking by any means, but it's perfectly doable. It's the water that's impressive, if true, but world drought sounds a lot less threatening.

Photosynthesis, or pure Mental Will?
Lack of chloroplasts, plus it would kill you faster even if you could. Photosynthesis consumes water.

Imagine if Food and Water became a luxury, and not a necessity. ;)
Highly unlikely, even assuming that the study is true. Even if you meet your daily caloric intake needs, you can still suffer from malnutrition if you don't consume enough of key elements or biomolecules that your body can't synthesize de novo--scurvy is probably the best known example. Even if this guy was hiding a glucose IV drip, that wouldn't be enough to keep him healthy and alive.

In the Stone Ages there was not Vitamins and Minerals in abundance via Foodstuffs. Everything was limited at best. So how did they live?
With abundant starvation and unequal distribution of resources.

Well we all know several things that cause the body to age and the basic element to make us go. Hydrogen
Hydrogen is about as biologically useful to animals as helium.

The Ozone back then was far more intact. Pollutants were nil and the greatest stress we had was getting eaten. So how was it that our ancestors lived back then without the basic supplimental elements we have to have now? Theory: Hydrogen Synthesis After all it was incredibly abundant back then what if we really were able to do just this. What if this is what this Yogi figured out?
Synthesizing hydrogen would require decomposition of water or other perfectly useful biomolecules. This would just kill you faster, even if it was possible.

Now, assuming that this study is true, one extremely unlikely explanation would be that his body accelerated its metabolism rate to generate water. I don't recall the exact numbers, but I remember seeing somewhere that the human body generates on the order of 30% of its total water needs with cellular respiration.

ScrObot May 11 2010 4:00 PM EDT

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan

There has been no _independent_ research on this guy's claims, even though he's been touting it for decades, apparently.

Sickone May 11 2010 4:11 PM EDT

Read the link guys (and this isn't the first story posted about him). He was constantly watched, and segregated for two weeks, to prove his claim (Which he has been making for a long time).

Except that it's all a big hoax.
It always is.
Heck, David Blaine pulled a stunt like that for 44 days in a glass room, and nobody ever thought it was anything other than nifty trickery.

Whoever supervised him wasn't qualified to watch out for dirty tricks, misdirection and other similar things... that is, if the watchers weren't "in on it" to begin with.

Wraithlin May 11 2010 4:17 PM EDT

I still vote

"blessed by goddess"

as most likely cause. goddess's rock.

Zenai May 11 2010 6:26 PM EDT

Synthesizing hydrogen would require decomposition of water or other perfectly useful biomolecules. This would just kill you faster, even if it was possible.


Depends on how the process takes place. Not necessarily saying it was by water. What if it was by air or some other method. In some cases synthesizing(or Consuming) Hydrogen actually produces water so that would actually be a bonus to a human.

Such as in some Fuel Cells.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell

(Which have the same elements as the human body in the chemical reactions and use similar methods for extraction as we do for oxygen.)


Overall yes I get it is a far stretch but truthfully Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe. So saying this being able to synthesize(or consume) it would be the most practical thing you could do for energy needs. Not to mention this would just be really cool......lol


Not exactly conclusive but some food for thought, back then the atmosphere was indeed Hydrogen rich for far longer than previously thought.

http://www.colorado.edu/news/r/5fa5e9ace9d3176a97c86aac077f21aa.html


Once again this is nothing more than a thought.......

Demigod May 11 2010 10:21 PM EDT

Prahlad Jani explains that he receives his nourishment from a substance that is produced from a hole in the roof of his mouth.

Discovery channel did a documentary about him. Here's an article with a 9-minute clip of the show:

http://sunlightenment.com/discovery-channel-documentary-on-breatharian-prahlad-jani/

Warning, sun gazing isn't the weirdest part. 59 locals saw fire shoot out of his chest. :)

iBananco [Blue Army] May 11 2010 11:13 PM EDT

Depends on how the process takes place. Not necessarily saying it was by water. What if it was by air or some other method.
How exactly are you going to extract meaningful amounts of hydrogen from the atmosphere when the most abundant source that isn't water is available at 1.7ppm ( http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/earthfact.html )? If you are using water, then the most likely reaction to extract energy from hydrogen is oxidizing it to water, and you've accomplished nothing.

In some cases synthesizing(or Consuming) Hydrogen actually produces water so that would actually be a bonus to a human. Such as in some Fuel Cells.
Correct, fuel cells produce water.

(Which have the same elements as the human body in the chemical reactions and use similar methods for extraction as we do for oxygen.)
Not sure where you're getting this one.

Overall yes I get it is a far stretch but truthfully Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe. So saying this being able to synthesize(or consume) it would be the most practical thing you could do for energy needs. Not to mention this would just be really cool......lol
Most abundant in the universe, but almost nonexistent in our atmosphere.

Not exactly conclusive but some food for thought, back then the atmosphere was indeed Hydrogen rich for far longer than previously thought. http://www.colorado.edu/news/r/5fa5e9ace9d3176a97c86aac077f21aa.html
The timescale is way off. The article is talking about formation of organic compounds that could lead to life. Either way, long before mammals came around, that hydrogen was gone.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 11 2010 11:29 PM EDT

i think in the stone age life expectancy was directly proportional to the nutrient levels. ; )

bartjan May 11 2010 11:54 PM EDT

IMHO, this post illustrates the importance of quotation marks. I'd put them here:
Holy man proves no 'food or drink' claim.

ScrObot May 12 2010 12:05 AM EDT

I'm more partial to:

Holy man 'proves' no food or drink claim.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 12 2010 1:23 AM EDT

Really I like

"Holy Man" proves no food or drink claim

Zenai May 12 2010 1:37 AM EDT

Bananco: Gah!

I said "What if?" I know Hydrogen is almost nonexistent in our atmosphere. I know the timescale was off(it was food for thought). The Fuel cells use similar Chemicals present in the human body and similar chemical break down methods for extraction of energy as we do for oxygen in our lungs. By the way did you even catch the first part of "What If?" and later "Not to mention this would just be really cool......lol"

Look be pent up but seriously it's really not that serious. More than likely this is a Hoax in some form. The method for at least elongated food deprivation without massive ill side effects would be a great technique to share. Even with the small amounts of Hydrogen in the Atmosphere how much would it take to power a human if they were able to synthesize it? Once again this is nothing more than a "What if?" it is not meant as fact so chill out already.

Just for the Scientific Method bro Even Fact is often proven wrong later by the New Fact Proven Right. Geeze no one can have a thought nowadays without some killjoy coming around and spoiling the fun grrrr!

/me walks off in a freaking huff

iBananco [Blue Army] May 12 2010 4:40 AM EDT

By no means am I trying to stop original thinking. Radical ideas, however, are most effective at leading to new discoveries when they have some evidence or rationale behind them.

Zenai May 12 2010 7:24 AM EDT

Everything starts with a "What If?" no matter which way you slice it bro. That's why they call it a Theory it has no fact(or evidence) to support it and even no rationale at first. Many of the greatest Scientific discoveries came as a result of people doing exactly what I am doing right now.... asking "What If?" and sticking to it.

iBananco [Blue Army] May 12 2010 8:37 PM EDT

People don't just randomly go "what if," though. They observe the world, make inferences, draw a conclusion, and only then do they say "what if."

Zenai May 12 2010 8:40 PM EDT

pffft ppl say "What If?" all the time and it is not always because of something logical, it can be emotional as well. Still though. My Statement was still a "What If?" so once again chill dude.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 12 2010 8:43 PM EDT

Wait, what if the sky is blue because there is a giant painter painting it blue every morning. Yeah I like that hypothesis!

Zenai May 12 2010 8:45 PM EDT

Oy Vey I am done with this Thread. Thanks Titan Thanks.
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