Apology to Jon (in General)


AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 20 2010 1:55 PM EDT

You were right. ;)

I'm finding my current two minion team to be far more interesting that any single minion team I ever ran.

The nuance of changes is staggering! I've gone through quite a few iterations of my current team so far and keep being surprised by how things mesh.

/bow

Demigod May 20 2010 1:58 PM EDT

Last login: Apr 21

Shame he won't ever see it. I wonder what it would take to bring him back...

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 20 2010 1:59 PM EDT

Don't be asking me to dress up in drag again! :P

Zenai May 20 2010 2:26 PM EDT

Shame he won't ever see it.

A bit of an exaggeration Demi. He comes back around when he's able. Also I'm sure if he was apprised of it he would indeed see it.


I wonder what it would take to bring him back...

I'm pretty sure if you paid him his salary for a few years he would gladly come back in a full time capacity.....lol


RL is tough and it always takes precedence :-/

AdminNightStrike May 20 2010 2:27 PM EDT

i'll take that offer if it's on the table :)

Lochnivar May 20 2010 2:29 PM EDT

i'll take that offer if it's on the table :)

The offer of an apology, or the offer of GL in drag (again)?

Zenai May 20 2010 2:41 PM EDT

Both?

X-D

AdminNightStrike May 20 2010 2:44 PM EDT

Thanks, Loch :P

iBananco [Blue Army] May 20 2010 6:42 PM EDT

Traitor.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 20 2010 6:56 PM EDT

:P

Single minions are still the 'hard mode' of CB. ;)

Zenai May 20 2010 8:46 PM EDT

Hehe yes it is >;-D

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 20 2010 10:05 PM EDT

but usd mode isn't hard mode! ; )

Zenai May 20 2010 10:54 PM EDT

Depends on how you use it Dudemus. USD doesn't = Insta Top Rank. You still have to plan and work for it. USD can make it easier but that is it, it doesn't fight for you, it doesn't give you better fight rewards or targets with sustained Challenge Bonuses. Heck all it "could" do is get you CBD/Items IF it is available on the market for sale. It is simply a tool that can be, game-wise, wasted/squandered on fruitless endeavors.

So on that note I guess what it really means is that yeah it's cool to have but if you don't use it properly it is worth jack squat. It is the determination and drive of the person using it along with a well though out plan and excellent execution that can make a difference character-wise.

How many have done this so far? Not many from my count. Yes there are exceptions(as in ALL scenarios) but they are few and far between so in all honesty that "USD" argument is moot.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 20 2010 11:22 PM EDT

what is the difference between using it properly and just throwing more at it though, especially post de facto how does anyone tell the difference?

AdminNightStrike May 20 2010 11:32 PM EDT

dude - look at Freed :)

(Sorry, bud.. I still think of you as a clan mate, though!)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 20 2010 11:42 PM EDT

freed is def a class act. never bragged and even when some changes seemed directed at him or his actions never really complained...cheers for freed! ; )

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 21 2010 8:34 AM EDT

In all fairness Zen, it doesn't take a genius to use USD. Having the ability to use it in CB makes this game insurmountably easier.

Zenai May 21 2010 9:29 AM EDT

Um no throw more USD if you want the USD user will still get taken down.

Titan: I never said it wouldn't make it easier but to get the best results you have to do a lot more than simply throw USD at your char. As I said before you have to have more than USD and to think that is all you need is a fallacy of epic proportions.


Dudemus: Yes I did put USD into my gear but this was something I had planned out from the beginning anyway so that point is also moot. To drive this point home, at least in my case, Imagine if I had more experience AND had done what Titan had done for my NCB? Remember FGoD was my first NCB and even with TON of planning and good Advice from some of the best Tacticians in the game I STILL fell short of what I potentially could have gotten.

For me it was making deals like crazy and working with people until my eyes were bloodshot from looking at the screen. I lost TON of sleep but persevered. I put a lot of work into that NCB. This is what truly made the difference in the success of my char.

No one is safe from the CB system USD or not makes no difference. If you don't put in the time and work then you will fail no matter what.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 21 2010 9:32 AM EDT

I'm thrown chump change equivalent of USD at my char, and it's turning out quite nicely. It doesn't take a genius to see how to use USD if you want to win. As for people like Freed, he's playing the game like it's suppose to be played, the way you want to. Sure it's nice to win, but play it the way you want, if that means having huge items that are like paper weights that just way you down b/c of PR weighting, then so be it.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 21 2010 9:33 AM EDT

Also, with enough USD, you don't need time or work at all. You could simply by one of the top 3 chars, put on the best gear, and spend 10minutes a day burning BA. That's a ton of effort!

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 21 2010 9:36 AM EDT

zen, all i was saying was that even if you play the game on hard mode, but then make it easier as you yourself has said it does, then you aren't really playing the game on hard mode.

i am not sure what argument you are saying is moot as you have agreed with the only statement i made?

Zenai May 21 2010 9:49 AM EDT

In other words dudemus my argument is moot right?


Then why bring it up at all in an apology thread hmmm? It was an unnecessary statement dudemus. You want to bring up the USD argument then make your own thread.

PS: To be honest all USD really does is accelerate you to the next level of problems, stumbling blocks and obstacles so it's not as easy as it seems.

Zenai May 21 2010 10:01 AM EDT

Titan: Yes you have done well but you also planned it out and executed it with precision. If all you had done was thrown USD at your char then where would you be?

Zenai May 21 2010 10:20 AM EDT

To address the other issue that is IF that Top Char. Is available for purchase and you can still get pwned easily enough. Withoutout Tactis and Strategy its nothing more than a waste at best. So once again USD doen't = Top Rank it can possibly. = accelerated growth and potential(making it seem easy to some)

The more I thought about it moe more a euphemism comes to mind: The More money you have the more problems you see. I don't think it any different in CB. Some things are easier but that is because you jump past the smaller stuff and faceplant into the tougher stuff more quickly ;-/

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 21 2010 10:21 AM EDT

90% of the the top MPR, instead of equal to or above (foreseen future). Lest we should forget that with enough USD investment and the correct strategy, you could be a top 3 score character with a 4.5M MPR character.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 21 2010 10:23 AM EDT

i think you are the only one talking about usd and top rank. i am not even sure what the heck top rank is?

Zenai May 21 2010 10:33 AM EDT

Titan: Yes as Demonstrated by Ranger with Heroes. However it was because of his ability to maintain it AND properly tweak the strat in order to adapt to new threats. Also note he did not just burn his BA he planned out everything he did. His success was determined not by his USD investment but his drive and commitment to his char on a daily basis....ie work.

Dudemus: I wasn't the first one to mention USD now was I?

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 21 2010 10:39 AM EDT

Ranger by no way with heroes used USD to its full potential with Heroes. Although it was a decent strat with some nice tweaks. Although it was rather an obvious strat.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 21 2010 10:43 AM EDT

Getting back on topic.

My current largest target had a score this morning of over 800K.

It's now;

732,824

And it won't recover.

It will be lower by the time I drop him from my fightlist.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 21 2010 10:44 AM EDT

i made a joke about usd mode not being hard mode. you replied with this:

Depends on how you use it Dudemus. USD doesn't = Insta Top Rank.

your argument isn't moot at all but i am not sure who the heck you are arguing with as you are the one who brought up usd and a link to top rank.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 21 2010 10:44 AM EDT

Wrong thread! :P

My bad, will move it. ;)

Zenai May 22 2010 12:45 AM EDT

dudemus:


i made a joke about usd mode not being hard mode.


Honestly, even though I think it was in bad taste, that is all you had to say in your first reply dudemus. Instead you replied with:


what is the difference between using it properly and just throwing more at it though, especially post de facto how does anyone tell the difference?


After this the game was afoot so to speak....ie you agreed to a debate by default.


Titan:


Ranger by no way with heroes used USD to its full potential with Heroes. Although it was a decent strat with some nice tweaks. Although it was rather an obvious strat.


Yes Ranger most certainly did put his USD to the most benefit on Heroes(Although I am sure he limited himself to keep from breaking his bank account). He jam packed that char to it's ENC limits. He was battling it out with me and nov for CBD sales on a regular basis and was upgrading his gear like crazy. As far as an obvious strat eh well he STILL had to maintain it which after everything he did to make it successful was no simple feat.

Point to be made: USD is not as most would like to make it seem in this game. It is a tool, a stepping stone and all it does is accelerate you to the next level or two of difficulty in CB(making it seem easy to everyone). Even then that is only a maybe, if you fail to use it properly(genius or not) then you will fail in your efforts/endeavors.

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