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This thread is purely here for me to find it at the end of my NCB.



We'll see if this quote pulls true or not. If the N*B is really an easy stroll then even I, someone who doesn't fight up, doesn't have much CBD but manages to get most of their BA, should have NO issue making it to 6/20.

If it doesn't, then I'd -really- like to see people stop whining and complaining about NCBs.

Then you shouldn't have posted it in a public forum.

The fact of the matter is that without an N*B it is impossible to get a character from start to 6/20. Many N*B's are able to take a team to the top ranks this way. Worse, this is all condensed into a six month period.

Yes, this is what I call getting a gift wrapped place at the top bracket in the game. Whether you are able to achieve this with your character is irrelevant.

The NUB is worse because it affects cash as well, and I blame this partially for making the entire market revolve around rare items. That, and it gives new players a bonus that vets can never get.

And I'll stop "whining and complaining about NCBs" when I stop seeing them pass me solely because of their bonus.

Back in my day we had to fight with dead minions to climb the ranks.

I think its funny how you make it sound like 6 months of dedication to a game is nothing. CB is the only game I have continuously played longer than 3-5 months without a 3 month break.

Current date: May 21, 2010.

Yes, six months is nothing. Especially when you're flying by teams that have been competing for years.

I dont see anything wrong with making the game competitive. The NUB seems like an awesome bonus to me. I dont understand why its a problem that there are new people who join this game and can make it to where everyone who has been playing for 3 years is. If they couldnt then how many people would there actually be at your level to even compete with, 20? 6 months of devoted grinding is definitely not a short time, i could beat like 30 console RPG's in that time span. The vast majority of low power characters in this game arent even active, so why not give everyone a chance to make it to where the active players are actually playing?

On a side note, best of luck with the NCB!

Competition is good, and the NUB is awesome. It's just that some feel it has gotten out of hand. A few players are whole-heartedly against it, but most of us like it. Personally, I have nothing against the NUB (or its counterpart, the NCB, which doesn't grant a money bonus or give free BA), but it needs to be adjusted for side effects. What's the rate right now, 500%? Good luck keeping any fightlist for very long during the first couple of months -- especially since the challenge bonus is very important. And I hope you don't miss a week, 'cause that baby's crippled. Worse still, when your NUB ends, it's going to feel like you hit a wall that marks the end of the game.

Maybe the rate should be dropped and the term stretched out, maybe not, but it's going to suck when it hits 1000%.

I mentioned this earlier today, but the NCB has also cost us the "gear ladder" of saving up to buy decent items and having common/uncommon/rare classes.

Other than that, I like the N*B, and I really like getting new players up to speed relatively quickly. I just think a rolling bonus would be better.

It was posted in a public forum so I'd be able to bring it up later and remember who I was directly quoting and from when. Your quote says that a N*B is a gift wrapped first class ticket to the top, so we'll see if its true. I'm going to push this character as far as I can and if it makes it to 6/20, I'll agree with you LB. And if it doesn't, then you're wrong and need to start bringing factual evidence to the table.

And also LB, if you're going to quote someone, include the FULL sentence instead of chopping it into bits and pieces to make your answers fit.

Also, thanks for the wishs Vanyard. Maybe this NCB will do better than my last four.

Elite, how many months do you need to make to 6BA though, 3 out of those six?

data from my most recent ncb run. saved up the 1600 and then bought ba with rewards during bonus xp times. http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AhqtN8y13_DacF96VEVCSC1TMmgxR1BJbzBtVXJvY2c&hl=en

i think a true gift would be to just create characters at the 90 percent of the top mpr. with only about 50 of us actually fighting any good amount of ba per week, i am actually leaning towards this as a solution. at least all fifty of us would be in the same area of the game and likely fighting each other.

Ah but the NCB should be an easy stroll regardless of how its started according to that quote. Which means that the 400 BA I started with should be all the push I need to make it to the top Dude.

And the main reason why starting someone at 90% of the top MPR is stupid, besides how lazy it would be, is that you'd not have the money/gear needed to be competitive. You'd be a pinata for those that had actually played.

if you are running an ncb and you have no gear or money then something is wrong.

Welcome to the joys of having sold out my gear, but not my money, and not coming back as a multi Dude. I have nothing and get to listen to people brag about how "easy" it is to get to the top as a N*B.

Bob fighting less than half your BA doesn't qualify as competing to me. Also you have just as much right, if not more so, to run an NCB. If you have been really competing those past 5 years you should have no problem running a strong NCB with good items, strategy, and enough money to buy BA every day.

Excuse me? Are you aware of a way to take a new team to 6/20 without a N*B bonus? I'd love to hear what you come up with here.

I stand by what I said. The N*B is meant to get a team up to the top ranks in six months, when there are long term teams here that have been around for years that will never have that opportunity. The N*B is exactly what I said it was - a gift wrapped spot at the top. If you blow it, well that's on you.

The second part of your sentence was irrelevant, so I clipped it to save space, which you wasted again by failing to realize that my point about it being public would be just as valid had I included it.

You called me out in the first post, directly or otherwise. Deal with my response.

Where are you coming up with half my BA? Aside from sleeping everyday, and tending to a few real life concerns, I get quite a bit in.

If I had any interest in disposable teams, yes, I could.

With no bonus's and completely from nothing. If you wanted to be fully competitive it would take around 6-8 months to amass enough equipment and $ in order to run a fully competitive NCB to hit into the top ranks and have a fair amount of gear and NW to equip that team. That is assuming burning 80% of your ba for the 6-8 months prep time and 95% during your ncb run.

I second what Nem said.

Good Targeting and of Course doing a bit of recon ahead will make what Nem said more realistic. So a bit more time involved to make that N*B a success is necessary for it to reach the Top Ranks otherwise it is just a exercise in futility.


Oh Lord Bob until you run one of those N*Bs don't try to say it is easy because honestly you have no clue. No offense intended. (this also counts if it has been years since you have done one.....the N*B has changed since then.)


PS: Accelerated growth doesn't mean it is easy. In all actuality it is a bit harder because you have less time to adjust before you are onto the next set of problems and difficulties.

Yes, it changed. The bonus got a lot bigger, and the time was reduced to six months. An even quicker jump to the top. Far worse in my opinion.

And even more Difficult to Adjust and Adapt to Difficulties, Obstacles, and Problems due to increased Accelerated Growth and Lack of Time. Gift wrapped? Fat chance LB as I said until you run one don't say it is easy because honestly you have no clue.

As far as I know, the NCB got lengthened from 4 months to 6 months. It may have been longer before I joined but it used to be 4 months.

Really Z? More difficult that running a long term, non-N*B character? You can't be serious. It is NOT POSSIBLE to take a new non bonus character and advance up the ranks anymore, because of the N*B. It is far, far more difficult for a non-bonus character to "adjust and adapt to difficulties, obstacles, and problems" and try to keep up with the N*Bs who just fly by without any increased effort.

Yep. Sorry, but try watching any random new character fly by a team you've developed and played with for years just because that team has a status that gives it many times the rewards you get, and then tell me it's not a handout.

It is orders of magnitude easier to advance up the ranks - in an embarrassingly short amount of time - with an N*B than it is to build up a non bonus team over several years. A gift wrapped ticket to the top, it is.

Now that you mention it, yes, I think it was lengthened at one point. This was after the bonus itself was boosted considerably. The N*B I ran way back in the day (and I only ran it out of boredom and to pick up some extra cash for my main team, and it made me hate the N*B) didn't get anywhere near the bonuses I see people talk about today.

Isn't that kind of the point? If you are supposed to be able to get to 90% of the top MPR would the bonus be higher now that number 1 is over 5mil mpr as opposed to when number 1 was 2.5mil MPR?

Even with lengthening to 6 months we should still expect bonuses to be a lot higher. I think I did a brief NCB as the beginning of 2007 where the bonus was about 220% for 4 months.... don't remember for sure.

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002TRD

Yes it is just a touch harder LB you know why....something that yet again you have failed to acknowledge Time. Most of the ppl running these N*Bs have either never run one or haven't in a very long time. They do not know the system, have an incredibly steep learning curve and finally have costs out of the wahzoo and you think it is easy just because they passed you up.




1) No you are not sorry since you are trying to prove a point.
2)
3) That is a Fallacy of emotional thought LB. "Ooo ooo they are passing me up it must be easy for them to do it!"
4) Your entire argument is based on what you think you know(outdated information) or from what others have said(Forums).
5) This is a basic demonstration to everyone of "The Grass is Greener on the other Side" Standpoint.
6) I'm not saying that you should abandon your current char but if you want to stick to it in this System then you have to settle for what you have.
7) I'm also not saying I do not see a problem (as the Bonus will continue to grow and grow which from a playing standpoint is bad due to lack of time)but from what you are saying is that just because you are here longer you deserve to stay on top. That is a load of crap and you know it.
8)If you want to be closer to that nebulous Top Rank then put in the same work everyone else has or stop complaining. IE if you want to be competitive then Compete!




When was the last time you ran an NCB LB? From what you have said a very long time ago. You are out of touch with this system and until you reinsert yourself into it you are blind to the pitfalls that the N*Bs now face.


All I am seeing here from you LB is that N*B is a gift wrapped Ticket to the Top but honestly you have no experience(in the current system) and you expect your word to carry weight just because you said so. How many N*Bs have reached the Top LB? Seriously how many? The few who have had a ton of help from Top Players in the Game and most of them bolstered it with USD. That is not Gift Wrapped LB that is a tease of a promise at best. 90 - 95% of Top MPR? Ppppffftttt Whatever.

I missed one apparently:

2) Just because a player passes you up doesn't mean squat other than they passed you up whoopity do.

It is certainly possible to move up in the ranks without a n*b bonus. I myself fought my way from 7th mpr to 4th with two people hiring to slip ahead of me during that time. You have to be actively competing more than everyone else though.

One thing to note, is that if you ran an ncb the same as you regularly fight as you have always been, you should actually end up pretty much at the exact same place or a little lower than you are now.

Trying to reach the later ranks with an N*B is not harder than trying to do it without. If I have to explain why than I'm not sure I should even be wasting my time with this conversation.


Underpants gnomes?


Given similar MPR, it would be far, far easier for a team with a bonus to surpass a team without one. It would be far easier for me to reach 6/20 by starting an NCB and fighting for the next six months than it would be to try the same with my current team or any other non-bonus team over the same amount of time. In fact, I don't think it's possible for my non-bonus team to reach 6/20. I will never make it without a change to the bonus system.

And judging by the tone of your responses, you're the one getting emotional here.


Prove this.


If you think the grass is greener without an NCB, and for whatever reason you came to the conclusion that rising through the ranks without a bonus is easier, than don't run one.


And lobby for a system that doesn't encourage disposable teams and rewards new players over veteran supporters with a gift wrapped ticket to the top ranks after six months.


I'm saying the bonus is the problem.


*laughs* If you're going to give me my opinion, at least try to get the facts right.
1st: I'm nowhere near the top.
2nd: This has less to do with how long a player has been active than the length of time a character with a bonus needs to wipe the floor with one without one. Given equal levels of activity, the fact that a six-month team can utterly surpass a 2-3 year team is a joke.


And you're not reading either. It is IMPOSSIBLE to advance at the same rate as the N*Bs passing me on their quick and merry way to 6/20. Barring massive USD expenditure to buy every last BA and pump my NW to max encumbrance, the N*B will easy fly by me, and even with USD I'm not sure it's possible to keep up. This is about two characters at similar MPR with equal levels of activity advancing at vastly different rates.

If you think this has anything to do with my activity level on my non-bonus character, then you need to pay more attention.


I honestly can't remember.


I rather know it quite well.


Many N*B's have reached 6/20. Many.


6/20 is only 60% of top MPR. *grin*

Apparently your entire argument is the one based of faulty information. Or maybe you're just more interested in trolling.

Zen, it is a handout, it is. Quit arguing that, that is absurd. Maybe try arguing if it's a good handout or not. Oh and enjoy ControlFreak passing you with ease in a few months.

What conversation? You came here to argue and instigate fights LB. I said the thread was here for me to find at the end of my NCB and you decided to jump in and start a fight.

LB: What a line of Crap! Stop whining you could just as easily run an NCB as anyone else the only thing stopping you is you. You have several options to compete, get better gear, hire a minion, buy a char, or run an NCB. CB is about hardcore competition since it is an Open Ended Game it never stops so yes you will get passed up no matter what. You thought you were alone in this? Pfft we all get passed up! It is a matter of what we decided to do to try and catch up. The N*B does end you know this means there is a chance. Many still compete LB and do well, Nat gave a perfectly good example which you of course decided to ignore. It CAN be done LB you just have to put in that extra work to make it happen.


Titan: No it is not a handout and you know it, N*Bs still have to put in work no matter what. Look at what you have done with your NCB, you think if you had done half of what you have done you would be anywhere near where you are right now? I would say not. Now if we were discussing dudemus' idea:



then yeah I would say it is indeed a handout. Keeping it in perspective is Key.

As far as someone passing me up well yes that is bound to happen big deal. I will applaud those who passe me up then I will strive to take them down! This is what CB is about, meet cool people, make friends, Compete Fiercely, and beat the tar outta each other. Viva la CB!

oh and just to drive a few points home LB:

6/20 is not the Top it is 60% as you said, the N*B is supposed to get you how far again?

*grin*

Get YOUR facts straight.

>Prove this.


Ok fine when was the last time you ran an NCB LB?.....even you cannot remember! Playing the game and playing at N*B pace are two vastly different ways to play the game LB. Since you cannot even remember it then you are out of touch and using OUTDATED INFORMATION!!!!! The only other thing you have to rely on for your information is talking to other players and the Forums.....PWNED

*Mega Grin*


So you admit that you do indeed have a way to compete eh? I thought so, you just don't like the option.

*grin*


Oh and LB playing regular Game compared to N*B is in fact less stressful and indeed easier to play in the long run, this is from experience by the way. The N*B is hectic at best if you are trying to compete at top level. If you are just floating and playing casually then eh.... but that can be used for the same as regular game play though.

*grin*



Seriously LB you can catch up Nat gave you a great example already and yes I know exactly where you are and how you play.....mediocre at best. No wonder you are where you are, you could be doing a whole lot better but how you play the game is up to you. However, you cannot expect to Compete AND be a casual player either. You find a way and then you work to make it happen plain and simple. All I have seen out of you is complaining and moaning about what you want changed to fit your casual gameplay style.

This is CB not Burger King you cannot have it your way.


No offense intended but it is what it is LB.

*yawn* Troll.


You sure about that?


It's not my team.


That's like prescribing crack for someone fed up with the drug problems in his neighborhood.


Wow, look at you dodging the point all day long.


I did. You should go back and read my posts again, including the very first one I made here. I have always been referring to 6/20 as "the top ranks," on this thread and others.

Read better.


People without bonuses are somehow incapable of playing at the same pace? Please back this up with something.


You logic is... non-existant. Total fail there dude.


Try reading the entire sentence next time.

And no, I do not have a way to compete in this manner (I wish I did *sad face*).


Prove this.


Ah, so because YOU slack off when not in a bonus period, that is true for every player. Got it.
*facepalms*


Define "casual player." Anyone who doesn't have a bonus? Anyone who disagrees with you?


You've been nothing but inflammatory.

Have fun trolling. You have proven you have nothing of real value or intelligence to say here.

::slams head on desk::

Why do arguments like these have to happen all the time? <_<

An admin can go ahead and close this thread. It was created with the intent of flaming me directly, and Z seems pretty adamant to make sure it's nothing but one big Bob bashing session. It will most likely just get uglier, because I'm not going to back down from these idiots, so just go ahead and shut it down.

You dropped that whole mess on me and you call me a Troll. LB no offense but seriously you have a way. Get off you posterior and get to work otherwise all you are doing is whining. and honestly if I wanted to bash you LB I most certainly could but that is unnecessary in any case.

Stop attempting to shift this off from what it really is, you saying a N*B is easy and me saying you have no current experience in N*B running to pull from. I have offered all of the alternative options that is here if you do not want to use them then that is on you LB.

What I have said in response to all of you responses is boiled down to this: Put up or Shut up.

Go run an NCB THEN come back to me and tell me how easy it is otherwise zip it because you know nothing and have no grounds from which to speak from.

No, this thread was not created with the intent of flaming you. I, not Z, created this thread with the intent of putting this stupid notion that a NCB is easy to death. I'm running an NCB without massive cash saved up beforehand and with no intention of using USD.

You are the one who came into this thread with the intention of starting an arguement.

SG - you're awful at NCBs, no offense, look at ControlFreak for NUB (no money needed for that btw) and look at EoD for an NCB. Easy as pi! Oh and I can insult you and say no offense, that's how it works!?!

Just posting to say Lord Bob is right.

Titan:


I think that is part of the point Titan. LB is saying it is easy to make an NCB work. So SG, even as awful as he is with running an NCB, shouldn't have a problem right?



You pick these guys out of how many to use as a reference? EoD is very good at NCBs, and CF has had good ppl helping him and a natural flair for the game. Ie no surprise that they are doing well, it is the rest of the masses trying their hand that is not doing well Titan and that IS the point. There will always be a few exceptional players but you cannot judge the entire game from just a few.


When you are not trying to offend but think what you are about to say could be taken as offense then yes otherwise no but of course you already knew this Titan.

OB: Meh....whatever.

I picked those two, b/c they represent people who are running NCBs currently, and are spending all/most of their BA. I could have chosen me, DoS, Nem, Solare, Rawr ... shall I continue? Getting to 6BA is easy as 1 2 3, do re mi! And as for NCBs getting 95% of the top MPR, that means the *BEST* NCB. Oh and Nem, what would your MPR be if you hired?

If I hired right now, my mpr would be a little over 6.1 mil.

You quote me directly then post this:
It was clearly a jab at me. You could have quoted me then made an attempt to have a civil discussion on the merits of the N*B, and I would have happily obliged. But instead I was told I was "whining and complaining." It's all right there in your first post.

Then Z continues to troll.

Please, somebody close this.

It was not a jab at you LB. You stated how easy it was and since I'm tired of how many people say it is, I used your quote to base my argument on. It wasn't a jab but me pointing out the major theory on NCBs. They are -not- easy to get to 6/20.

And Titan, regardless of how "good" I am, with CB in general or NCBs, shouldn't matter based upon what LB said, which is what started this argument.

A Warning of Premeditated Intent combined with a Defamation of Character Insult and you call me the Troll LB. Sure you're right.


You just do not like being told that you are full of it LB. You are whining and complaining that there is absolutely no way to compete when there most certainly is. I'm done with you.


Titan:


Titan those examples are a few out of how many? These guys, cool as can be, are exceptions. You are a Top Tactician and one of the best number crunchers in this game same with Nat, DoS and Rawr. This comes from how many that run N*Bs and become successful? I've watched my fair share of NPs quit because it is too involved or hard(their words to me before leaving). I have watched my fair share of NCBs fall behind and fail because they cannot afford BA. Yes there will be a few that can make it that is the way it goes but a few is NOT the majority and that means it is NOT easy.

It takes planning, time, effort, skill, help, determination, proper execution and in some cases USD injections. Everyone you have mentioned has done this, you missed one though.....dudemus. Still though it makes no difference he has a niche, he is the CB specialist in UC Builds and runs them to near perfection.

Bottomline.....Count them Titan. 5......That is 5 Players out of what number that starts N*Bs every day? Yes I know there is a few more Exceptions but note ALL of them are EXTREMELY good CBers and thus my point. The N*B is NOT easy and was NEVER meant to be, it takes a lot more than a Bonus to be successful. Yes it does help do not get me wrong but there is a lot more to it.

Think about it Titan would you be where you are right now if you hadn't done what you did with your NCB? What you are currently doing?

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