GA and Decay (in General)


FailBoat[SG] May 28 2010 7:53 AM EDT

So, as of recent, I've been noticing a few things in regards to GA. Say a target has too little HP to take damage from decay, I'll still take the amount of damage from GA I would if the Decay had gone off.

For Example:
Wall-E takes damage from his own Decay (14274)!
Wall-E's Decay hit Chocolate Chip Crunch for no damage

Wall-E takes damage from his own Decay (11419)!
Wall-E's Decay hit Chocolate Chip Crunch for no damage

Its like this every round vs N[Cookie]B once I start casting Decay. Should you really be allowed to take so much damage from GA even if you're doing nothing to the opponent? Or did I miss where that was explained in GA.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 28 2010 7:56 AM EDT

AMF backlash, not GA. ;)

FailBoat[SG] May 28 2010 8:19 AM EDT

That makes it more aggravating... AMF shouldn't cause you to take damage if you're not doing any... So says I. :P

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 28 2010 8:36 AM EDT

The damage you take from AMF is totally independant of the damage you deal. It's based off of your DD size, and the percentage of Backlash.

Otherwise, is would have to take account of damage reductions, and the randomness of the damage you inflict.

FailBoat[SG] May 28 2010 9:20 AM EDT

So, a base decay does that much damage based upon AMF? I highly doubt its independent of the damage you deal as I shouldn't take that much damage from a base Decay if they weren't linked in some way.

QBsutekh137 May 28 2010 9:27 AM EDT

Basing AMF on actual damage done has been discussed in the past, both on CB1 and CB2. Most discussions ended with good points about AMF already being hard enough to use (it precludes DM, by and large) and also the fact that NSes already reduce AMF.

In other words, AMF already has enough against it, so letting it deliver consistent backlash was deemed the appropriate course of action.

Does AMF backlash work against Decay in a halfsies manner (like the spell itself)? Doesn't GA hit back in the "same way" as the original damage? Should AMF be the same way? Then, at least your Decay caster can't die from the backlash (though perhaps that makes Decay too powerful, especially with NSes already in play...)

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 28 2010 10:36 AM EDT

Amf and decay are special case situations. Decay is going to hit someone, even if it's the poor caster.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 28 2010 10:44 AM EDT

So, a base decay does that much damage based upon AMF? I highly doubt its independent of the damage you deal as I shouldn't take that much damage from a base Decay if they weren't linked in some way.

AMF backlash is independant of the damage you deal. Ages ago I posted how it works (it's fixed, so wasn't too hard to figure out! :P).

For the normal DDs, it based on 40% of your potential damage, form your DD level.

For Decay, it's based on 50% of your health, at the time of casting.

Decay has it's own formula for AMF backlash reduction, but it's still totally independant of the damage it might deal.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 28 2010 10:47 AM EDT

From the wiki;

When used versus FB, MM or CoC, the amount of retaliation damage AMF inflicts is:

0.4 * max spell effect (not spell level) * AMF % at the start of the battle

This damage is fixed. During ranged rounds, it suffers the same 58%/55%/52%/49%/46% for rounds 1/2/3/4/5 penalty that afflicts normal DD. During melee rounds, the backlash damage is the same with every casting.

When used versus Decay, the damage inflicted follows a different mechanism: it is based upon the AMF % multiplied by 1/2 of the opponent's Hit Points at the time of casting.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 28 2010 12:26 PM EDT

Is it fair that you can train Decay and I have to choose between getting murdered in melee by your Decay or decide to give up every GA team?

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 28 2010 12:29 PM EDT

Decay backlash still gets multiplied by .4; so it's .4*AMF%*.5 of the caster's HP.

QBRanger May 28 2010 6:25 PM EDT

Also,
note that a decay mage cannot die from AMF alone.

This, IMO, balances the problem you state in the OP.

iBananco [Blue Army] May 28 2010 7:12 PM EDT

This also makes AMF just a nuisance when you drop decay on a 20HP enchanter.

AdminNightStrike May 30 2010 4:21 PM EDT

This also makes AMF just a nuisance when you drop decay on a 20HP enchanter.

Yes and no. GA prevents doing that effectively, which is ironic considering the title of this thread and the mistakes in the OP.
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