Healing Cost: the secret is out! (in Changelog)

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] August 6 2010 11:31 PM EDT

Hoping this is permanent!

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] August 6 2010 11:32 PM EDT


It's this threads fault!

Lochnivar August 6 2010 11:42 PM EDT

Am I being taxed to provide health care for my minions?

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] August 6 2010 11:44 PM EDT

Definitely. But at least it is universal healing. It would really suck if you couldn't get healing for your dead minion ^_^

ScrObot August 6 2010 11:58 PM EDT


raikkanto August 7 2010 12:01 AM EDT

Woot woot. Like a week in and I feel like I'm partly to blame for it. I like you guys.

Quick question: Is the healing cost before applied after "total money"?

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] August 7 2010 12:03 AM EDT

healing cost is applied before the battle starts. It is essentially for the battle before.

Lord Bob August 7 2010 12:10 AM EDT

I'm glad this is visible again like it used to be.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] August 7 2010 12:15 AM EDT

I don't remember it ever being visible... am I really getting that forgetful

Lord Bob August 7 2010 12:15 AM EDT

I don't remember it ever being visible.
CB 1.

raikkanto August 7 2010 12:24 AM EDT

Would it make sense to change it such that the healing cost is applied right after your current battle ends? That way you can correlate damage taken with the amount you paid to heal.

Before this I didn't even really know you had to pay to be healed. I'm also assuming that once you hit negative HP you only pay from 0 to max health, right?

Demigod August 7 2010 12:41 AM EDT

I remember this from CB1 as well. And yes, it caps at max normal health.

Admiralkiller [Cult of the Valaraukar] August 7 2010 1:35 AM EDT

Soooo... Will we be seeing messages like this in chat now? "can someone send me 500gold I cant pay to heal so I can fight?"

Demigod August 7 2010 1:43 AM EDT

It's the same as it's always been. It was just a hidden cost. And that can happen.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] August 7 2010 1:50 AM EDT

can someone send me a 12 pack of shiner bock, i cannot heal and am dead unless you save me! ; )

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] August 7 2010 2:15 AM EDT

Sent Dude... that will be 15mil cb + your thirdborn child...

AdminNightStrike August 7 2010 2:23 AM EDT

Actually, this is a landmark thread... all complaints can be redirected to a new player! Thanks for volunteering, Rod!

(I started a policy whereby whoever requests a change gets to deal with all the fallout :)

As for Loch, you, sir, are a funny man.

raikkanto August 7 2010 2:35 AM EDT

Well, while we're on making complaint causing changes... any chance the healing cost could be applied at the end of the current battle, rather than at the start of it? If you don't have enough to heal it makes to me more sense to find out at the end of the battle than at the start of the next one... that and it just makes more sense to see that as a number for "punishment taken from this battle".

If this already the way it is and Natasha's wrong (I've found her to be next to infallible so far though, so...) then disregard me.

AdminNightStrike August 7 2010 2:48 AM EDT

When you think she's wrong, think again :)

And no, it won't change. It's at the beginning of the battle because you won't heal until you try to fight. This is by design.

Demigod August 7 2010 3:00 AM EDT

I've found her to be next to infallible

Shh. Too many compliments will go to her head.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] August 7 2010 3:01 AM EDT

No, I will show you power going to my head tomorrow ^_^

Soxjr August 7 2010 3:36 AM EDT

I must be older and blinder than I thought. I don't see anything. :(

Soxjr August 7 2010 3:37 AM EDT

I really wish I could edit. I found it immediately after I posted.

{WW]Nayab [Cult of the Valaraukar] August 7 2010 5:08 AM EDT

You are just that awesome Sox.

Sickone August 7 2010 6:02 AM EDT

Single minion healing costs:
0$ for absolutely no damage taken
4$ for ANY amount of damage taken but still alive
25$ if dead

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] August 7 2010 6:16 AM EDT

Not Quite.

Body Soul
Experience 1,329 1,327
Hit Points 829,020 -1,697

Healing Cost $0

And my minions took damage in that fight.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] August 7 2010 6:17 AM EDT

Body Soul
Experience 2,930 2,928
Hit Points 62,502 -1,682

Healing Cost $-4

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] August 7 2010 6:18 AM EDT

The Battle Ended in a Draw

Body Soul
Experience 5,709 5,707
Hit Points -139,144 -247

Healing cost $-4

(both minions dead)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] August 7 2010 6:19 AM EDT

Ah... It's for previous fight.

Body Soul
Experience 7,676 7,674
Hit Points 1,647,487 -77,915

Healing cost $-50

So, single minion teams have a slight benefit here over multi minion ones! :P

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] August 7 2010 6:22 AM EDT

Right, I tihnk I've got more of an answer.

For my two minion, I can take damage, but as long as they don't die, I don't get any helaing cost.

If one dies and I win the fight, it's a $-4 cost. If I lose (becuase both die) it's $-25 per minion.

I think this migh thave to do with me not having any natural HP, only AS. So unless my minions go below 20HP (which would usually result in death) I don't get charged for healing.

Another benefit for AS.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] August 7 2010 6:24 AM EDT

So my healings costs are either;

$0 (Don't take damage to take me below 20 HP on any minion)
$-4 (One minion is reduced to negatives, but I still win)
$-50 (Both minions die)

I don't seem to be able to be charged $-25 at all.

Sickone August 7 2010 6:28 AM EDT

I suspect it's similar for higher minion count teams:
* no damage taken = no healing costs
* any damage taken but at least one minion alive = -4$
* all minions dead = -25$ * minion count

{WW]Nayab [Cult of the Valaraukar] August 7 2010 6:36 AM EDT

on my team, I pay $0 for no minions dying
$4 for 1 minion dead
$9 for 2 minions dead
$103 for all minions dead
not sure on other values, but i would guess $13 for 3 dead and $18 for 4 dead.

{WW]Nayab [Cult of the Valaraukar] August 7 2010 6:37 AM EDT

But i am an AS user, not sure what happens without AS.

Mikel [Bring it] August 7 2010 10:24 AM EDT

What happens if none of my guys are hurt after a battle? Do I still have to pay the tax? Seems unfair since that is what happens in most of my fights..... I don't like the idea of carrying others on my back.

Sickone August 7 2010 10:45 AM EDT

What happens if none of my guys are hurt after a battle?

Healing cost = 0$

Problem is the healing cost appears in battle X+1, but you pay it for the aftermath of battle X, not battle X+1, so you might get a bit confused by that.

Lochnivar August 7 2010 1:08 PM EDT

I think the cost should increase with the amount of HP you have trained...

... sorry Natasha'

Mikel [Bring it] August 8 2010 4:02 PM EDT

Thanks Sickone, but I was actually making fun of the healthcare side of it.

AdminNightStrike August 8 2010 5:18 PM EDT

I thought it was funny :)

AdminShade August 26 2010 11:55 AM EDT

My healing cost seems to be maximally $4, how much is anyone else's?

Ankou August 26 2010 12:03 PM EDT

A quick check for me yielded -4's and -9's and a -97 for when I lost
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