Black Market Remake Suggestion (in General)


AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] March 16 2011 6:42 PM EDT

I know a lot of other people are rather disillusioned with the way the BM works and how it really isn't worth it to bother voting right now.

So here is my suggestion for completely remaking the Black Market and combining it with drops.

The Black Market still has all of the items it currently does, but rather than them costing votes to be spawned into auctions, they are given a Black Market Credit cost.

Black Market Credits or BMC can only be obtained through drops. The drop rate in items should be largely dropped from current levels down to 1/10 of what they are for items. So you are quite a lot less likely to receive an item as a drop. Instead it should give a higher chance of dropping BMC. Note that BMC would be untradable.

Items spawned by the auctioneer could be changed or not changed as seen fit.

Now when you buy an item with BMC it won't get spawned into auctions but instead you receive the item directly. Also, in addition you can add a few things that might be nice additions to have, for instance the option for a free retrain through BMC.

In the long run this should actually help bring a bit of worth back to some of those cheap items, especially if we had the option for free retrains through BMC.

Please tell me what you think about this.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] March 16 2011 7:01 PM EDT

A couple other things we could add as new things to such a BM would be BM exp time and BM money time. These would work as donation repositories for BMC and as soon as they fill up a special exp time or money time would start and last for 6 hours.

QBOddBird March 16 2011 7:12 PM EDT

The drop rate in items should be largely dropped from current levels down to 1/10 of what they are for items. So you are quite a lot less likely to receive an item as a drop. Instead it should give a higher chance of dropping BMC. Note that BMC would be untradable.

Am I going to get my cash rewards back in this idea that were nerfed when item drops were introduced

Because I could use the ability to make a little profit when buying all my BA, free katanas or tattoos every once in a while really don't make up for what was taken

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Demigod March 16 2011 7:15 PM EDT

I'm against tying it to drops in any form other than as extra votes. Why not just make the current votes last 50-100% longer?

Gunny Pew Pew [Red Permanent Assurance] March 16 2011 7:18 PM EDT

How bout each vote for an item in the BM counts for a proportional increase of getting that dropped during the week. ;p

Guardian March 16 2011 7:21 PM EDT

Make the votes not expire.
still 1 vote per week only

Underage Drinking March 16 2011 7:26 PM EDT

Change BM so that once every week(same bat time, same bat channel!), the item with the most votes spawns for 12 hours. Guaranteed loot!

Phoenix [The Forgehood] March 16 2011 8:44 PM EDT

Nat your idea leaves out all the forgers unless it's done so that there's item drops dependent on BA use rather than fighting.
Though I'd vote for non-expiring votes so I can take 2 years to spawn an AoJ.

Sickone March 17 2011 5:23 AM EDT

Non-expiring votes is the most logical (and easiest) way to go.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 17 2011 10:22 AM EDT

i could understand a reluctance to change the votes to non-expiring. if that is the case what about just increasing the amount of time before they expire?

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] March 17 2011 10:26 AM EDT

I don't think that solves anything. The underlying problem in my opinion is not that we can't spawn anything. A lot of people don't even vote at all (myself included) because there is nothing really worth spawning.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 17 2011 10:40 AM EDT

i should have said extending the time and adding some non-item black market spawns such as these:

A couple other things we could add as new things to such a BM would be BM exp time and BM money time. These would work as donation repositories for BMC and as soon as they fill up a special exp time or money time would start and last for 6 hours.

i would also suggest opening it up to the community for other non-item spawn ideas as well.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] March 17 2011 10:40 AM EDT

So, get rid of the BM because the market's been flooded for 2 years?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 17 2011 10:41 AM EDT

we could also get by with not even extending if the new non-item spawns require 100 or less votes. if they are exciting enough i feel the community could get together to spawn 100 count spawns.

QBOddBird March 17 2011 10:43 AM EDT

So, get rid of the BM because the market's been flooded for 2 years?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] March 17 2011 10:44 AM EDT

So, get rid of the BM because the market's been flooded for 2 years?

i am also cool with turning it off for now and would rather see that happen than leaving things as they are.

Sickone March 17 2011 10:55 AM EDT

Or, here's a crazy idea...

1. Remove all item drops. You get BM votes instead of drops. CB$ earnings adjusted back up to old levels to compensate for lack of tangible rewards.
2. REMOVE spawning of items into normal auctions. The only way to get fresh items becomes the black market OR from other people who have that item.
3. Remove the 2 weeks expiry date of BM votes. Make them only vanish when the item that's been voted for is spawned, even if it takes years to spawn.
4. Alter BM-auction participation rules : you need to have voted for that _specific_ item in order to be eligible to bid on it.

Demigod March 17 2011 11:04 AM EDT

2. REMOVE spawning of items into normal auctions.

I'd say it could stand to be cut at least in half (if not closer to 75%). Removing it entirely could have nasty effects, more-so than intended.

QBOddBird March 17 2011 11:20 AM EDT

I think that's a fine idea, Sickone. :]

Zenai March 17 2011 12:06 PM EDT

Or, here's a crazy idea...
1. Remove all item drops. You get BM votes instead of drops. CB$ earnings adjusted back up to old levels to compensate for lack of tangible rewards.

Or upped 10% on Rewards and dropped 10% on BM votes needed to spawn an item.

2. REMOVE spawning of items into normal auctions. The only way to get fresh items becomes the black market OR from other people who have that item.

I agree with Demi just Lower the chances by 50% or more as needed.

3. Remove the 2 weeks expiry date of BM votes. Make them only vanish when the item that's been voted for is spawned, even if it takes years to spawn.

Well I kind of agree since at first it will mean nothing then down the road there is a flood of items in the AH. I would extend them to a Quarter (3months) if it cannot be spawned in that amount of time then it shouldn't have votes wasted on it.

Afterall this is supposed to be a way to bring the community together if they cannot come together after 3 months then Im sure its not gonna happen. Taking any longer amount of time to spawn an item is just ridiculous in my mind.

4. Alter BM-auction participation rules : you need to have voted for that _specific_ item in order to be eligible to bid on it.

Totally Agree.


Once again just my thoughts on it.

Lord Bob March 17 2011 12:14 PM EDT

Very nice Sick One. My own proposal for an auction/black market change was very similar.

Zenai March 17 2011 12:25 PM EDT

As a side note I would like to add in from the other thread I have posted on regarding the BMVG. Please give it it's own Forum, this will minimize player bump complaints and up participation of those who want to be involved. Those who don't like it turn it off in settings, those who do can participate without thinking they have pissed off the rest of the people in the community. Several problems solved right off the bat.

Gunny Pew Pew [Red Permanent Assurance] March 17 2011 12:54 PM EDT

Would be a good time to c&p&post that proposal, Bob.
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