Bug with the exbow? (in General)

QBRanger June 21 2011 12:16 AM EDT

Persian hit Ichi with Thunderbolt [180013]
Ichi looks weaker!

This was the only hit on my tank the entire combat.

My tank, after the hp from AS should have 15M. 5M innate + Jigsaw cast Ablative Shield on all friendly Minions (9962319). My last minion is using an AoF so that is the hp he gets.

However, in only 1 hit his strength went from 7.78M to -10.5M.

That is quite a lot of strength lost from a really small hit.

On my old character, of which the tank had over 15.5M HP, the same hit would drain my strength from 9.6M down to about 2.6M or so IIRC.

This directly from the changelog Dude quoted:

The stat drain will be proportional to damage done. At about 2.5% of the target's current (not max) HP, the drain will be about what you were used to. At 5%, it will be 2x*, where it is capped. And on down: at 1% of HP, it will be 0.4 of the old drain. There is no floor; enchanters armed with a crossbow can expect to be very disappointed.

The damage done was about 1.3% or so of my total hp at the time. 17M drain is quite a lot.

So is there a bug not counting hp added from AS in the calculations of exbow drain?

I know that the hp from AS are not added normally since there are certain calculations in the game which differentiate innate HP from AS HP. Such as TSA regeneration as well as damage done by the MoD.

QBRanger June 21 2011 12:18 AM EDT

Actually, since I am a bit encumbered my strength is 7.16M.

Still over 17M strength drain in 1x180k hit seems a bit too much.

Duke June 21 2011 12:24 AM EDT

I been under the impression that its only natural HP that matter.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] June 21 2011 12:26 AM EDT

Your answer is right here. Thunderbolt [4x9096] (+160) owned by Kefeck (Team Rocket)1.3% would mean its about 52% of the old version which would still be x4808 which would give quite a bit more than 100% drain. Everyone also seems to forget the ex/axbow mainly deal in %. This means it doesn't matter one bit how much str you have as a number unless its down under 1 mil. In fact higher amounts simply mean that you will lose more per hit. at 1 mil if you lose 150% you go to -500k at 10 mil you go to -5 mil.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] June 21 2011 12:27 AM EDT

Also, AS definitely counts I experienced that quite well against nov back when he was using dago.

QBRanger June 21 2011 12:32 AM EDT

Well if it has been tested and AS hp does matter, the exbow is even more powerful than I ever thought.

Thanks Nat for the input.

QBRanger June 21 2011 12:39 AM EDT

I don't know.

I just had a 158k hit drain me from 8.3M down to -9M in 1 hit.

Seems a bit excessive to me.

Sickone June 21 2011 10:03 AM EDT

Yes, yes it is excessive.

The drain should trend towards 100% on a similar (but higher) curve to the way ToE damage resistance works.
Under no circumstances should the ST drain ever be a full 100%, let alone OVER 100% of target's ST.
And it should take current ST into effect, whatever the value was in that round.

Which reminds me... if I remember correctly, even if you're ECed to negative ST, the exbow still drains a lot of ST, so it is most likely based on base ST (+ToA and other item bonuses, no doubt). But I wonder if it takes GS into account or not.
So, GS (on base 20 ST minions) might very well be an actual foil to the exbow, if that is accurate.
Has anybody tested that ?

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] June 21 2011 11:14 AM EDT

There are 2 types of drains currently. There is the % drain, and then there is the direct drain. The % drain is obviously going to drain a % of your hp. The direct drain is based on your base str to their base str not counting item boosts or GS. So a 20 str GS character actually gets drained out much more easily than a character with real str. I am unsure whether or not ToA counts as real str to the exbow.
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