Its ok LB, I wish that the thread didn't devolve into that as I was hoping to have an actual discussion on the subject.
Quite frankly, while anonymous may be an idea, it is also a group. You can pretend it's just an idea, but that's trying to merge wishful thinking with reality, and doesn't really have any place in a real discussion.
The reason anon is an idea and not a group is that there is no centralized location for it, there is no one running it. It is the idea of true freedom of knowledge and information. Part of the ideas of anon advocate freedom of speech and privacy. The people who represent anon are just that, people. They are using the idea/guise of anon to gain attention to their causes and to also keep their identities a secret. Whether or not people agree with them, is up to that individual or group of individuals. That is exactly what the second video explains in my opinion.
Again its very very hard to stress the fact that it is -not- a group! Its confusing in a way, and I understand this, but just because a group of people using the guise and ideas of anonymous claim to be 'anonymous' does not make it a group.
Being a group implies that there is some sort of order or structure.
The claim of being 'Anonymous' is well explained in the second video.
I'm going to butcher this quote a LOT, IE: Make it somewhat my own interpretation, but its from the second video I believe.
"You can arrest or silence one individual, multiple individuals, maybe even hundreds of individuals, but not thousands of people, hundreds of thousands, millions of people. You can't silence all the people who share a similar ideas. People may die, but that idea lives on. An idea can't die if it lives on in the hearts and minds of people."