Just my thought on this game... (in General)

DrkZeraga November 7 2011 11:05 AM EST

When i found this game while googling for browser-based mmorpg (smile), i was instantly hooked. I love how you can craft your own army and fight it out with other people online. I admit i'm a competitive gamer and i love the idea of dominating others. And the best part was that the game offer me the chance to catch up with the older players, hence being relatively competitive :)

However the sheer amount of commitment involve for this strategy browser-based game is staggering. Having to log in once every 6 hrs to burn up the BA is to say the less annoying and sometimes practically impossible.

And with a inflexible time limit of only 6 months to catch up, with no possibility of resetting, second accounts or rest, its no wonder some players just choose to give up and drop the game entirely. I knew I almost did when i was forced to use this account, which has been inactive for about 3 days, hence already losing 3/180 days of my precious bonus, which is about 1% irreversibly lost.

I don't know about you guys, but if ever i was to go on a break, i don't think i will be coming back. Its like a favourite toy that you really like playing with, but after some time you got bored of it and decided to leave it aside for awhile to try other things, only to return later to find the toy moldy and old and difficult to play with anymore.

QBOddBird November 7 2011 11:07 AM EST

Eh, if you play it casually and don't worry about missing BA, it's not a problem. Not everyone can be competitive.

I agree that the demands for competitive play in this game are high, but I disagree with the idea that if you're not playing to win, you might as well just quit.

DrkZeraga November 7 2011 11:12 AM EST

Yes i understand that some people do play this game casually, but from a competitive player point of view, once you stop, your out of the competition, for good.

AdminTitan November 7 2011 11:14 AM EST

NCBs are actually pretty easy.


Expensive, but easy.

Demigod November 7 2011 11:18 AM EST

I don't know if Areo would call it easy. :)

DrkZeraga November 7 2011 11:19 AM EST

And where am I gonna get the cash to sustain a 6-month NCB (I understand that the BA cost alot of money) after been away and coming back after my NUB expire?

AdminTitan November 7 2011 11:20 AM EST

Been there done that Demi, NCB is a lot harder than what Poison had to put up with before he gave up and left.

AdminTitan November 7 2011 11:21 AM EST

a lot easier*

AdminTitan November 7 2011 11:22 AM EST

You'd have to return for about a year before running your NCB, fight at a midlevel char, make lots of monies, and use it to run your NCB.

Demigod November 7 2011 11:22 AM EST

DrkZeraga, what you're complaining about is something that most people here agree with -- that the N*B system desperately needs a revamp. Do a forum search for "Rolling Bonus" to see all the posts.

QBOddBird November 7 2011 11:25 AM EST

DrkZeraga, what you're complaining about is something that most people here agree with -- that the N*B system desperately needs a revamp. Do a forum search for "Rolling Bonus" to see all the posts.


DrkZeraga November 7 2011 11:27 AM EST

Okey...some of the threads are pretty old, like 08/09 kind of old...

TH3 C0113CT0R November 7 2011 11:34 AM EST

well, lets see, I was here the day CB2 opened, I played CB1. I played CB2 for a long time, sold all my gear, quit.

I never had a NUB. This is my First NCB.

I've been back for what 2 months? I have a character 1.1m mpr, I have Every single piece of rare gear except for 5 supporter items. AoI, AoF, VB, MoD, MgS.

If I didn't have the NCB I would only be at what maybe 500k mpr right now, if that?

I have 4 months left to try and catch the top. I AM a competitive player. if your complaining about having to log in 4 times a day to burn full BA, your not. your not a competitive player, a competitive player is here, playing, talking, doing strats, looking deals. trying to fix there strat.

SPENDING TIME IN THE GAME. pft. you can't log in one time a day and consider yourself a competitive player in this game.

you know what I want. people to stop complaining they cant catch the top 10 with a NCB or NUB, WHY SHOULD YOU BE ABLE TO. YOU SHOULDN'T.

Why should a NCB, or NUB be able to catch top 10 with 6months... its retarted. you shouldn't. top 10 is hard working players that spend time IN THE GAME, not once a day. why should a new player have the ability to toss years of work building to the top like the rest of us.

Im so sick of people complaining about this. wonder why I quit the first time.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 7 2011 11:36 AM EST

Because that's what CB2 has been designed *exactly* to do...

Allow you to get to 95% of the Top MPR in the game in 6 months.

(With equivalent effort)

If you can't then CB2, as designed, is broken.

TH3 C0113CT0R November 7 2011 11:37 AM EST

Oh and if you dont' want to come back because of what a week of lost ba.. then yea obviously your not a competitive player and dont' understand how the game works.. why should we who played the week you were gone, suffer because you want to build faster now that your back from vacation.. its retarted..

if you leave for a day and fall behind its your fault the game doesn't stop because you want a vacation.

i was gone for what 4-6years.. im catching up.. don't see me complaining i can't catch them and i only have 4 months of bonuses that the top 10 aren't even getting...

TH3 C0113CT0R November 7 2011 11:39 AM EST

Gentlemen, if that was directed at me.. then my beef would be the opposite of everyone elses, that the NUB/NCB need to be nerf'd not buffed.

AdminTitan November 7 2011 11:40 AM EST

(With equivalent effort)

More like with "less effort" :P

Lego, I think it's actually think it's too easy to catch the top 10. Areo is going to probably over take the number 1 spot with a hire. That shouldn't happen. No offense to Areo, but a player shouldn't be able to spend 1.5 years and over take a player who has been grinding for 5 years, yet it happens all the time.

But, in addition to that problem, there's a billion of other problems with the NCB/NUB.

- Insane tattoo leveling abilities
- Disposable chars
- Rewarding of short sprints over long term
- Increasing the value of USD involvement

There's tons more, search the forums and you'll find some of the threads listing them.

AdminTitan November 7 2011 11:46 AM EST

The Immortals (7692496) - NCB
Incompetent Misfits (7684759) - NCB
King of Pain (7370387) - NUB?( I don't really know, 4 year old char )
FuerGrissa ost Drauka (7252362) - NCB
Horror (7142330) - NCB
Epitaph (7123018)
Construct (6965270) - NCB

Most of which are younger than 2 years, pretty sad huh? But, really, I think there are bigger problems with the NCB than that.

TH3 C0113CT0R November 7 2011 11:47 AM EST

thats my point titan, the OP is complaining he has to log in 4 times a day to get full ba. complaining he only has 6 months to catch top 10. hes complaining about stuff he has no idea about, the NCB/NUB are severly broken not to what he says but rather that they are over powered. and hes complaing they are useless basically.

as I said they may be broken but they dont' need a buff, they need a nerf.

oh and about areo, hes kinda a loose paper, he has massive nw/cash to run his NCB, so for him to catch top 10 is one thing, but for the rest of us its not. Look at my character L3G0, I've been burning all the ba i can, and look at my standing.. im not going to get near the top 10.

AdminTitan November 7 2011 11:49 AM EST

I made the top 5 with my first NCB... my *first*. I believe nov did the same. Areo is doing the same. I only spent ~100M on my NCB. Natasha said in chat the other day she could probably overtake the top with around 150M CBD, and I do not doubt her. Believe me, I hear you loud and clear Lego.

TH3 C0113CT0R November 7 2011 11:51 AM EST


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA 100M do you realize thats more money then I've even seen in this game.

AdminTitan November 7 2011 11:52 AM EST

I can make 100M in less than 6 months. Doing it the right way, could probably get it in 4-5 months.

TH3 C0113CT0R November 7 2011 11:53 AM EST


TH3 C0113CT0R November 7 2011 11:54 AM EST

my current fight rewards, yeild about 750k a week. so say what 3m a month... thats only 18m over 6months..

AdminTitan November 7 2011 11:57 AM EST

Get a char of about 3M MPR, make sure you have a tattoo so you can level it and get the small amount of money from that. Fight at 100% bonus, fight during money time instead of xp, don't buy BA. I believe the last estimate was near 4M a week, plus gains on your tattoo. Might be a little higher now, as I haven't done tests for awhile.

TH3 C0113CT0R November 7 2011 11:59 AM EST

thats all harder then you think.. we all can't just pull a 3m mpr char out of think air, fightining all 100% challenge is not _that_ easy either. I fight during money and xp times, i dont' buy ba, and i get about 90% of my daily ba in.

AdminTitan November 7 2011 12:01 PM EST

Hmm, well easy to me, relative to what the people at the top have to do. It's pretty easy to buy a 3M MPR char, and to use an exbow :P

TH3 C0113CT0R November 7 2011 12:05 PM EST

BAM!!! seen that coming.. more exbow garbage.

and a 3m mpr char isn't exactly cheap. what would one go for... plus xfers... and how exactly does any of this have any relavence to an NCB/NUB..

AdminTitan November 7 2011 12:06 PM EST

You were just saying that it's hard to get that money, I don't think it is. 3M char you could get for just transfers, so like 4M dollars.

But like I said, NCB/NUB is trash for at least half a dozen reasons.

TH3 C0113CT0R November 7 2011 12:06 PM EST

buying a 3m char to make money to start a ncb is just.. lol.

DrkZeraga November 7 2011 12:07 PM EST

I think rolling bonus is a good idea and should replace NUB and NCB, but seeing that it was suggested 3 years ago and yet nothing have changed so far, I guess nothing will change in the short-term future. Night guys

AdminTitan November 7 2011 12:07 PM EST

Taking over the top spot shouldn't be too easy should it, lol :P

TH3 C0113CT0R November 7 2011 12:10 PM EST

i get what your saying but we are so off topic right now. :P

im just going to top. i think the op is wrong.

i think the broken-ness of the NCB/NUB is that they are very overpowered... especially backed with 100m or usd. a normal person, not using 100m or usd to build a ncb is not broken. i won't make top 10 but i'll be close enough to want to keep using this char.

TH3 C0113CT0R November 7 2011 12:15 PM EST

hehe someone just hack the server and delete all databases. force everyone to start from scratch.. there now we are all the same.. no more complaining.


TH3 C0113CT0R November 7 2011 12:15 PM EST

OH BUT WAIT.. NUB will take the top now... heaven forbid...


AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 7 2011 1:11 PM EST

If there are no characters, the NUB would give a bonus of 0%.

AdminTitan November 7 2011 1:18 PM EST

OHHH Snap! You just got GL'd!

QBOddBird November 7 2011 1:22 PM EST

Yay reset!

AdminShade November 7 2011 2:19 PM EST

Note to all who reply, we still do not use any profanity in here unless people want me to use the fine stick again. (i.e. L3GO: watch your manners please)

AdminTitan November 7 2011 2:51 PM EST

Did I really miss some profanity? I need to quit skimming so much.

Quyen November 7 2011 3:34 PM EST

what an intellectual argument of GentlemanLoser.

TH3 C0113CT0R November 7 2011 3:39 PM EST

i remember why i dont' post again. thanks.

AdminTitan November 7 2011 3:40 PM EST

What's wrong with being kind L3GO? :)

Let's all hold hands and sing Barney songs.

TH3 C0113CT0R November 7 2011 3:43 PM EST

being kind isn't the issue, he said using profanity, where did I swear, what did I say

AdminTitan November 7 2011 3:44 PM EST

I don't know, I assumed I missed it, did you not swear?

TH3 C0113CT0R November 7 2011 3:47 PM EST

no I didn't swear.

AdminTitan November 7 2011 3:47 PM EST

Just CM'd you something.

Demigod November 7 2011 3:47 PM EST

You swear you didn't?


Quyen November 7 2011 3:51 PM EST

maybe its not the swearing, but they way of talking :)

TH3 C0113CT0R November 7 2011 3:53 PM EST

didn't get anything from you titan, but apparently widely used acroynmns (sp?) are considered swearing.

AdminTitan November 7 2011 3:54 PM EST

Yeah, it's considered inappropriate to use swear words, to use acronyms that contain swear words, or even use symbols such as $$# to replace a swear word.

Agree with it or not, but it's the current rules.

Elf X.7plus35k November 7 2011 4:27 PM EST

Wait a min does this mean I can and should make a long post about everything I don't like about the game and anything that's ever been done to me or said to me that I don't like? Gee I wish I would have had a NUB when I started.... oh wait that's right yes yes I remember now of course of course it wasn't an option. Now what's this about not having time to login 6 times a day? Right I see now it seems one wants to have a life yet spend all BA... isn't that some interesting decision making.... and people wonder why I've been known to disappear.... *sigh* I shall go hide back under my rock now if only I had figured out this game has never been ''fair'' in the first place.....

QBOddBird November 7 2011 6:29 PM EST

didn't get anything from you titan, but apparently widely used acronyms are considered swearing.

correct! :D


AdminTitan November 7 2011 6:31 PM EST

Brendan adds:

LOLZ; Who's Brendan :P

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] November 7 2011 9:35 PM EST

And you were complaining about having to log in every 6 hours to burn up BA? Hah.. For one thing, the higher your MPR rating gets, the more time you have between 160 BA..

But we could revert back to the second attempt at BA (the first being uunlimited BA) when you had to log in about every 3 hours.

DrkZeraga November 7 2011 9:37 PM EST

4 times a day, once every 6 hours is not merely being competitive. Its obsessive.

@ The Gunless Elfwoman
I'm not posting about "anything that's ever been done to me or said to me that I don't like"
I was merely pointing out what I felt this game should be improved on, and that's making it more newbie-friendly.
I wasn't trolling anybody in my post, and frankly neither should you.

I think this post has been blown out of proportion. When I decided to post my thoughts about how this game could be improved and to attract in more new players, I didn't realized that there was so much resentment regarding this issues over NUB/NCB.

I apologized for my willful remarks about a game that I only started to play only a month ago and one which I still do not fully understand the working of.

There are those who play this game for fun, and those that dedicate their life to it. I guess now I know where I stand.


QBOddBird November 7 2011 10:02 PM EST

And you were complaining about having to log in every 6 hours to burn up BA? Hah.. For one thing, the higher your MPR rating gets, the more time you have between 160 BA..

Yeah, this game is weird in that the reward for playing it more is playing it less

Elf X.7plus35k November 7 2011 11:12 PM EST

I wasn't trolling anybody in my post, and frankly neither should you.

That's odd all I did was point out others have dealt with more with this game than you have. Clearly you had no knowledge of the NUB and that most of the first to register to play didn't get the opportunity to use it. However you also did not ask. I'd also like to thank you to not presume to not tell me what I am or am not doing. Last I checked the rules say to respect others. By such they do not state I'm not allowed to have my own opinion. Where as you were allowed to speak your opinion, so why can't I then do the same?

AdminTitan November 7 2011 11:14 PM EST

Calm down you Gunless woman...

Goku November 7 2011 11:21 PM EST

*hands her a gun* fire at will

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] November 8 2011 12:20 AM EST

DrkZeraga November 8 2011 3:44 AM EST

@The Gunless Elfwoman
I apologize that you thought I was "presuming to tell you what you are or are not doing".

I was just voicing my opinion that you were trolling me but obviously you have stated very clearly that you were simply voicing your opinion on the issue.

I do apologize once again for my misreading on the tone of your original message.


TH3 C0113CT0R November 8 2011 10:22 AM EST

obsessive, give me a break, you need to watch yourself.

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] November 8 2011 11:04 PM EST

Who's the obsessive one here?

DrkZeraga November 9 2011 3:30 AM EST

4x6 hourly is fine for some people, maybe not for others.
To me its obsessive, for you maybe its just perfectly normal.
I hereby apologize deeply for offending you in any ways.


Phrede November 9 2011 7:09 AM EST

While I have been playing cb for too many years to remember, I have also been playing many other games - the maximum time I have spent in those games is one year I guess.

With many of those games I joined late up to a year after creation. There was never any chance of getting to the top unless there was a Level cap which many of the games had.

The reason why I stopped playing the games after maybe 6 -12 months was either boredom, reached level cap and nothing else to do, or didnt want to spend money and the only way to improve would be to purchase new gear for real life money.

During this time I have always played CB1/2 and very rarely been in the top ten (especially on CB2).

I have never had a chance to really vie for a top ten place with any of my many NCBs mainly due to being crap but often due to having to miss days and in some cases a week of BA. Did it stop me playing - no.

I really have no idea why people have to be able to get within 10% of Top 10 with NCB - there should be many other reasons to play.

One of main main issues I have here (and have voiced this issue many times) is the Guild format.

In other games even though you are only a middling player - you can still take part in guild wars, group assaults, whatever. We dont really have any of that type of "process" here, and I have to admit - I am not sure how it could be done.

I repeat - a good guild structure, with more members than at present allowed, with guild-based tasks, quests, wars would enable the NCB/NUB players to participate in the furtherance of their guild even though they would probably never be in the top ten.

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