Random discussion topic of the week (in Debates)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] January 28 2012 6:50 AM EST

Can something be both new and improved?



AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] January 28 2012 10:16 AM EST

car new and improved same exact model base from 08 to 09 for example, and have a better powertrain...

new and improved

QBRanger January 28 2012 11:57 AM EST

Tal wins!

Jecht January 28 2012 12:19 PM EST

A newborn baby I guess, it's both new and an improved replica of you your wife.

Lord Bob January 28 2012 12:23 PM EST

and an improved replica of you your wife.
How do you figure this?

QBRanger January 28 2012 12:28 PM EST

I guess my sons will have plenty of gender identity problems then :)

Jecht January 28 2012 12:47 PM EST


AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] January 28 2012 12:56 PM EST

If something has been improved, there must therefore have been an inferior model, of the same thing.

If something is new, then there therefore can't have been a earlier model, of the same thing.


As for the car, it's not 'new', it's just the improved model, given a new name.

QBRanger January 28 2012 1:00 PM EST

Windows 95 compared to Windows 3.1.

If 95 new? Yes and entirely new operating system.

Is it improved? yes, over the previous attempt at making a PC like an Apple.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] January 28 2012 1:09 PM EST

Windows 95 was just an upgrade of Windows 3.1

Simultaneously with Windows 3.1's release, IBM started shipping OS/2 2.0. Microsoft realized they were in need of an updated version of Windows that could support 32-bit applications and preemptive multitasking, but could still run on low-end hardware (Windows NT did not). So the development of Windows "Chicago" was started and, as it was planned for a late 1993 release, became known as Windows 93. Initially the decision was made not to include a new user interface, as this was planned for Cairo, and only focus on making installation, configuration, and networking easier. Windows 93 would ship together with MS-DOS 7.0 offering a more integrated experience to the user and making it pointless for other companies to create DOS clones. MS-DOS 7.0 was in development at that time under the code name "Jaguar" and could optionally run on top of a Windows 3.1-based 32-bit protected mode kernel called "Cougar" in order to better compete with DR-DOS.

QBPit Spawn [Abyssal Specters] January 28 2012 1:30 PM EST

No. It depends on how you define new, whether something is
improved then it is a new version of something. If you think this means it is new, then new is redundant and you only need improved. If you do not think this means its new, then new and improved is wrong that way too.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] January 28 2012 1:31 PM EST


Pit wins. ;)

Lord Bob January 28 2012 1:58 PM EST

Does not work the way you think it does.

QBsutekh137 January 28 2012 2:02 PM EST

Well, evolution _sorta_ works that way, it's just that from only one generation to the next, a mutation is likely to be more "bad" than good. Over time (as in thousands of generations), that "bad" thing may, in fact, become evolutionary; but your children aren't automatically "better" than you based on gene combination alone... You're thinking more about "acquired characteristics" which is definitely NOT the way it works.

Jecht January 28 2012 2:05 PM EST

Well, just like a new version of something isn't always improving the old one.
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