Strategy Challenge 2 (in General)


AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 14 2012 7:04 PM EST

Three Minion Team;

1:AoI, RoS, BoF. Trains SS and DM

2:Full AC set. Trains AP, HP and SG

3:TSA, MGS. Trains HP, PL

How do you counter a Heavy SG Mage, with an invisible 20hp minion for decay, all backed by a TSA-PL HP minion?

:)

DoS [Demon Forging] February 14 2012 7:34 PM EST

Train some AMF and beat it to death with a MoD.

BestNUB February 14 2012 7:38 PM EST

Somehow fit a GA into the equation? It seems feasible since your RoS is dedicated solely to SS. If it's a familiar, then it will die quick to GA due to its massive damage and due to your DM to fizzle any AS. If it's a trained SG, then assuming that it's not as big as a familiar, you'll get the full 60% retaliation.

You'll really have to be careful of big AMF+GA combos since your SG mage is your main source of damage and due to the exp dilution of 3 minions. You'll either not have enough HP to withstand AMF+GA or not big enough of a SG to withstand AMF alone.

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] February 14 2012 7:43 PM EST

Is the reason for RoS specifically DM resistance? It seems like a lot of this tattoo is being wasted. I would almost give up to TSA to train a base AS and throw the RoS on that minion (I would have said GA but PL makes that silly).

Anyway the simple answer is AMF. You don't mention Decay in the minion one description so I don't know how big you intend to train it but AMF will reduce its damage quite a bit and retaliate against the SG minion as well possibly killing it before even the PL minion dies.

QBPit Spawn [Abyssal Specters] February 14 2012 7:47 PM EST

Minion 1 AMF and wearing an electric familiar.

AdminTitan February 14 2012 8:08 PM EST

5 minion team with EF will just straight up demolish this; b/c this team is very similar to mine, and that's what destroys me :)

Jecht February 14 2012 10:59 PM EST

I think my 3 minions team would beat that.

1:DM/AS

2:CoC/IF

3:HP/TSA/MGS/PL

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 15 2012 5:09 AM EST

Train some AMF and beat it to death with a MoD.

Well, in that case drop the Tulks for a NSC. ;) And the MoD? Sure you bypass the PL/TSA combo, but you hititng the mages natural HP with thier massive AC. And no double damage as no AS.

Somehow fit a GA into the equation? It seems feasible since your RoS is dedicated solely to SS. If it's a familiar, then it will die quick to GA due to its massive damage and due to your DM to fizzle any AS.

That's why the front minion trains DM. ;) To eat GA.

Is the reason for RoS specifically DM resistance? It seems like a lot of this tattoo is being wasted.

It's to give you near immunity through AC.

Anyway the simple answer is AMF. You don't mention Decay in the minion one description so I don't know how big you intend to train it but AMF will reduce its damage quite a bit and retaliate against the SG minion as well possibly killing it before even the PL minion dies.

Minion 1 doesn't train Decay, so it can't be killed by AMF backlash.

BestNUB February 15 2012 5:12 AM EST

I thought Decay mages can't die to AMF retaliation? :S

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 15 2012 5:14 AM EST

Doh! GA I ment.

You're totally correct, AMF backlash through Decay can't kill you. ;)

BestNUB February 15 2012 5:19 AM EST

Since we're on the topic of GA, I was wondering about something. I think someone mentioned it in the other thread that you started but if one were to train a fully effective VA (capped at 0.40) and had MH/BoTh, then would the combined leech (capped at 0.60) cancel all of the GA? Or would the leech be greater than the GA since GA retal gets reduced by the tank's AC?

BestNUB February 15 2012 5:20 AM EST

Oops, I forgot to mention that GA would be trained to be capped at max as well, 60% retal.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 15 2012 7:13 AM EST

Or would the leech be greater than the GA since GA retal gets reduced by the tank's AC?

That's right.

You take 60% of the damage done as GA retaliation. You leech 60% of the damage done as returned life.

But as the incoming GA damage is reduced by your AC, you should leech a fraction more than you take.

Depending on your AC of course. ;)

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] February 15 2012 8:06 AM EST

I get RoS boosting SS. I just feel like a couple million points into EO will be wasted for the majority of fights.

And I misunderstood your "20hp invisible minion for decay" as you training it, not to counter it.

You still only have one damage source and likely only one minion really training HP so AMF will be a serious problem for the team. You also don't even start doing damage until after ranged.
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