Rules (in General)


Godpanda March 15 2012 4:05 AM EDT

I'm not going to make some long, frustrating thread pleading for a myriad of changes to this game. There's simply no point.

This game, as far as I can tell, has stagnated utterly. Almost no forum activity which, to me, means that there isn't really any activity at all. Our devs don't have the time to making any changes to the game. Fine.

So, can we not just say screw it? Let's make the changes we CAN make. Ideally, the ones that take only a few minutes to make and worry about long term ramifications later. The game is NOT dead yet, so I'd be very much happy to see -something- that may inspire people to get back into it again with some energy.

So, some proposed changes that should take either a few minutes, or a "Fine." from NS/Jon/Whoever.

1. Relax the PG rule in chat and forums to something more along the lines of most other game forums. You frown on over use of it and unallow it in cases of blatant trolling and insults. Otherwise, let it be. A "Clean" forum/chat isn't fun if there is no one using it.

2. Allow multiple accounts. If someone wants to make 50 accounts and burn 50 sets of BA to fund one character, fine. Does it REALLY matter? Those 49 other characters will be fodder for everyone else working to try to get their characters. There are tons of strategy decisions to make still (How many "real" characters will you make to compete with? How many farms? Will you go for a lot of farms, or fewer farms with better geared to get better challenge bonuses? How much money can you devote to equiping them? Should you forge your own gear instead of hiring others?

What? Are you thinking it'll ruin the game? What game? I understand completely how much it'll mess with current balance. But this is the only way I can see to encourage people to play more that doesn't require development time (Increasing max BA would work. Making characters have different BA pools would work. So would a lot of things. But THIS will work now, not when someone has time for it.)

Not to mention that it'll lead to a lot more supporter money for Jon/NS.

3. Increase monetary rewards. I'm not sure how easy it'll be. I'm hoping it's literally a matter of just going into the code (So NS or Jon would have to do it) and just increasing a number.

Or decrease the cost (by a lot) of hiring minions, upgrading weapons (Not armor so much, just weapons). Yes, I know there are balance issues here. But people like having stuff more than they like not having stuff. I suppose you could skip 3 if 2 is done.

...

That's it. I don't have a lot of ideas. I suppose it would be cool to drastically reduce the number of votes needed for the BMVG if that's easy. I don't honestly know any coding, so I can't even hazard a guess

Underage Drinking [Battle Royale] March 15 2012 5:25 AM EDT

POWER TO THE PLAYERS!

Guardian March 15 2012 7:27 AM EDT

i like ya ideas. Free us all.

AdminTitan March 15 2012 7:47 AM EDT

"I'm sorry sir, your wife has cancer, it's likely she'll die in the next few months."

"Oh... well what are we waiting for? I brought my gun, let's go ahead and get on with it."

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] March 15 2012 7:52 AM EDT

1. Relax the PG rule in chat and forums to something more along the lines of most other game forums. You frown on over use of it and unallow it in cases of blatant trolling and insults. Otherwise, let it be. A "Clean" forum/chat isn't fun if there is no one using it.

How would relaxing the PG rule make people use the forum more? It's not like there'd be anything new to talk about...

2. Allow multiple accounts.

No. lol.

We need to encourage people to spend thier BA on the single account they have stopped playing.

No need to give the few people that do play, with no RL repsinsiblities, the tool to utterly pwn CB.

No.

3. Increase monetary rewards.

Ditch the drop system, give the 20% cash back.

Easy.


Won't be done though.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] March 15 2012 7:57 AM EDT

I'm not going to make some long, frustrating thread ....

Fail.

Godpanda March 15 2012 9:21 AM EDT

Oh, Bast, how wonderful to see you still kicking around after all these years, contributing so much to our community. Oh, and if you're so easily frustrated Basty, maybe you should consider finding some relief. I'm sure someone as intelligent as you can think of something that may help.

Titan, being witty only works if you have wit to share with us all. Especially when your little "joke" would have only made sense had I come on the forums and said, "Just stop playing. This is stupid." To use your example, it's like finding out your wife is dying of incurable, aggressive brain cancer and chemotherapy and typical medications are having exactly zero impact. So the doctor asks if you're willing to try an experimental drug that may help... But you say, "No, thanks. I'm pretty sure she'll pull through if we all continue to do... Nothing different..." Fun, right?

As to GL's point, I don't know that the PG rule will change anything. But it may increase the number of people in chat, will increase the levels of comfort new players experience when they first enter chat and may make our forums seem a little less stiff to those visiting for the first time.

As to the multi idea, it's simply not that cut and dried. I'm sure you were a Mentor (Back when that was still around). How many players did you see get bored after their initial BA spending?

Ask yourself, how long does it take a new player to get to any of the "depth" of CB? Far too long for any rational person to expect them to go at it with little reward.

Failed your NUB? You failed the game. Enjoy.

Want to experiment? Hope not. Massive consequences if it doesn't pay off. Consequences that takes weeks to months to repair.

And players dominating even more? Is that really a concern? In a game where USD has been king since inception (Not the movie), we're going to argue about fairness? I'm sorry, but I fail to see how, "I have more time IRL." is a worse competitive attribute than, "I have more money IRL."


It's like you said, GL. Any of the legitimate, balanced changes probably aren't going to come. But you'd rather us just keep hoping for a change that won't happen instead of trying something a bit riskier that may actually be possible?

Sickone March 15 2012 9:28 AM EDT

There is not enough testicular fortitude left in the active command echelons to do anything about "it", be it the knee-jerk, the rash, the brash, the thoughtful, or even the smart thing to do... not even when faced with the cold hard facts of a steadily dwindling playerbase on the back of a steadily dwindling interest retaining curve... denying reality in the vain hopes of... something.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] March 15 2012 11:15 AM EDT

As to GL's point, I don't know that the PG rule will change anything. But it may increase the number of people in chat, will increase the levels of comfort new players experience when they first enter chat and may make our forums seem a little less stiff to those visiting for the first time.

It may, but as you say "A "Clean" forum/chat isn't fun if there is no one using it". Well, let's give people the reaosn *to* use it, and not throw out a difining rule of CB, just becuase we're losing players for *other* reasons. ;)

As to the multi idea, it's simply not that cut and dried. I'm sure you were a Mentor (Back when that was still around). How many players did you see get bored after their initial BA spending?

I was never a mentor. :( But I had an aweosme mentor myself!

Ask yourself, how long does it take a new player to get to any of the "depth" of CB? Far too long for any rational person to expect them to go at it with little reward.

An original account ago? Yeah, I went there. ;) I wonder how many new players are actually new...

Besides, it's all in the wiki. Sign up, delay the NUB a week, read the wiki, post a few questions. Ask in chat. Profit. ;)

Failed your NUB? You failed the game. Enjoy.

Yup

NUB suxxors. Always has, always will. Jon will never change it.

Want to experiment? Hope not. Massive consequences if it doesn't pay off. Consequences that takes weeks to months to repair.

See above.

And players dominating even more? Is that really a concern? In a game where USD has been king since inception (Not the movie), we're going to argue about fairness? I'm sorry, but I fail to see how, "I have more time IRL." is a worse competitive attribute than, "I have more money IRL."

Yes. I will only ever strive, and support, changes that atempt to make CB fairer and balanced. I will never support changes or suggestions that are obviously broken.

And Multiple accounts are.

Just as biological botting back in CB1 was.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] March 15 2012 11:16 AM EDT

But you'd rather us just keep hoping for a change that won't happen instead of trying something a bit riskier that may actually be possible?

If it's possible to get a change, then let's get a *good* change.

No something that will make CB worse, and force more players to leave...

Lord Bob March 15 2012 11:29 AM EDT

1. Relax the PG rule in chat and forums to something more along the lines of most other game forums. You frown on over use of it and unallow it in cases of blatant trolling and insults. Otherwise, let it be. A "Clean" forum/chat isn't fun if there is no one using it.
All of this.

No to your others.

{CB1}Sparticus [Screwed Justice] March 15 2012 11:52 AM EDT

Id be cool with people having more then 1 account if the NUB cash bonus was removed.

AdminNightStrike March 15 2012 7:16 PM EDT

All of these take little to no time to do. However, there is a better list known as the "100 papercuts". I already went through and Ok'd or denied about half of them. Lamuness and Verifex were supposed to implement them. I would be very happy if they would.

That's a great place to focus.

As for your three suggestions, there is a fundamental issue in CB that doing some of the things you suggest would disrupt. There is a correlation between $$ and XP. So, we can say for instance that Y xp costs X dollars. We can also say that something that costs X dollars is worth Y xp for various equivalences and balances. Lowering the minion purchase cost would change the cost of everything in the game, for instance.

Further, because of lots of sellouts, there is a giant megaton of cash tied up in a few number of players. This is equally hard to balance without starting a new game and disallowing all player transfers.

Your idea regarding the BMVG could probably be done on a case by case basis.

All that said, thank you, GW, for writing a post that doesn't make me hate myself.

Elf X.7plus35k March 18 2012 5:33 PM EDT

Here we go again... must I remind everyone that in the spirit of fairness and consistency this thread from where I stand should have been closed.... is it really too much to ask that when we get admins saying ''we try to be as fair as we can'' that it's actually done!!!?

AdminTitan March 18 2012 5:48 PM EDT

You ever heard that saying about insanity Elf?

Elf X.7plus35k March 18 2012 5:55 PM EDT

Since I'm directing this directly to you Titan, I fully expect to not get an answer back like the last time... ironic!!!? So let's try one more time... does it sound anything like it's INSANE that rules can't be fair and or consistent like myself as others keep pointing out!!? If we're so upset that players keep leaving we might also consider this MIGHT also have something to do with it. :)

Kefeck [BlackSmith] March 18 2012 6:56 PM EDT

I've been hiatus for a few months..

Plan on coming back when we get that new supporter item :P

Duke March 18 2012 7:00 PM EDT

Ill say its again New DB and make tat account base.

AdminTitan March 18 2012 7:33 PM EDT

I fully expect to not get an answer back like the last time... ironic

No, I think rules should be fair and consistent. And if you can provide a reasonable well thought out reason for why this thread should be closed I'm willing to listen.

Elf X.7plus35k March 18 2012 7:51 PM EDT

Titan, I'm pretty sure
"Just stop playing. This is stupid."
makes my case for me... I can only go by what I've ever been told and the fact that this was given as a reply at all ''joking'' or not it's still classified as ''trolling'' per my thread was closed for basically suggesting the same thing I asked for discussion on the topic. Thus fair and consistent dictates this should have also been closed on the same grounds.

AdminTitan March 18 2012 7:53 PM EDT

You're as bad at quoting as fox news.

Especially when your little "joke" would have only made sense had I come on the forums and said, "Just stop playing. This is stupid."

Elf X.7plus35k March 18 2012 8:01 PM EDT

Here we go again Titan another post directed right at you... as I'm pretty sure joke or not my entire point is it shouldn't have ever been posted if it breaks the rules. That being said does this mean I can directly insult people or say things that break the rules so long as I justify it with ''it was a JOKE''!!!?!??!?!

You're as bad at quoting as fox news.

Direct insult you did NOT indicate you were joking...thus not fair or consistent (I'll start here)! Also a form of trolling... care to keep going!!? I can do this all day.

TH3 C0113CT0R March 18 2012 8:03 PM EDT

NS
1. All of these take little to no time to do. However, there is a better list known as the "100 papercuts". I already went through and Ok'd or denied about half of them. Lamuness and Verifex were supposed to implement them. I would be very happy if they would.
That's a great place to focus.

As for your three suggestions, there is a fundamental issue in CB that doing some of the things you suggest would disrupt. There is a correlation between $$ and XP. So, we can say for instance that Y xp costs X dollars. We can also say that something that costs X dollars is worth Y xp for various equivalences and balances. Lowering the minion purchase cost would change the cost of everything in the game, for instance.

Further, because of lots of sellouts, there is a giant megaton of cash tied up in a few number of players. This is equally hard to balance without starting a new game and disallowing all player transfers.

Your idea regarding the BMVG could probably be done on a case by case basis.

All that said, thank you, GW, for writing a post that doesn't make me hate myself.


NS, I've suggested a few things that would not disrupt anything in the game but just some extra features to make life easier. 2 of which you okay'd to be implemented... neither have been done, and both would take seconds... Im no master at TCL But I am pretty darn good at the rest of it.. I've offered to help code and improve on the game..

I've even spoke to a couple admins about it... nothing has come of it.. Now Im telling you Im willing to help out coding, improving, and trying to keep this game alive. Not only would it help the game, but give me a chance to improve on my own coding ability. It would not take me long to pick up on the TCl i've already looked into it and it is extrememly similar to other languages I've used and Do know very well.

TH3 C0113CT0R March 18 2012 8:03 PM EDT

ack stupid quote.. forgot to add another space..

why can't we have normal forum tags...

AdminTitan March 18 2012 8:05 PM EDT

Only if you think being compared to fox is bad :)

You quoted only a part of the truth, plain and simple. So, sure, continue, I'm going to go back to doing my homework.

TH3 C0113CT0R March 18 2012 8:06 PM EDT

Only if you think being compared to fox is bad :)

If you don't think being compared to fox news is bad we have more problems then fairness and consistency :P

Elf X.7plus35k March 18 2012 8:17 PM EDT

@L3g0, very funny

@Titan speaking of fair and consistent AGAIN (anyone else see a pattern here!!?) you've insulted me directly twice now further more you didn't say you didn't insult me even ONCE... thus you should fine yourself TWICE as direct insults aren't allowed from other people. Unless you CARE to tell me they are now oh wait... you're an idiot (I'm CLEARLY joking a monkey reading this post could figure that out... sound familiar? It should!!!!) Speaking of news find me ONE news station or paper for that matter which doesn't omit edit twist or change ANYTHING EVER to make a point... and then we'll talk! :P

AdminTitan March 18 2012 8:21 PM EDT

You know what, you're right. It was wrong of me to compare you to just Fox News.

You're as bad at quoting as every mainstream news station in this wonderful 24/7 news catastrophe.

There, I think that's much better.

Elf X.7plus35k March 18 2012 8:29 PM EDT

Congratulations Titan, you just made my entire point for me. However you've also indicated it's ok to insult others even if you don't say you're joking. So to be fair and consistent you're ability to do your job fairly as an admin is a JOKE!! So why don't you be unlike all the mainstream news stations as you pointed out and be unbiased? :D +5 to me :P

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 18 2012 8:34 PM EDT

The only thing he indicated was that it is alright to insult you. Not other people.

I'm sure you called him an idiot in hopes of being fined just so you could whine some more.

QBRanger March 18 2012 8:34 PM EDT

However you've also indicated it's ok to insult others even if you don't say you're joking.

Have you be paying any attention to the discussion between Gun and myself.

It is apparently ok to call a right wing woman someone who spread eagles. And it is ok to call someone a racist.

So yes, as long as it is PG, or close to the margins, it is apparently ok.

AdminTitan March 18 2012 8:35 PM EDT

I'm sure you called him an idiot in hopes of being fined just so you could whine some more.

I play enough LoL to know not to fall for bait :)

QBRanger March 18 2012 8:37 PM EDT

And here are the actual quotes to back it up:

If you've ever heard her show she's practically spread eagle by the hour.

Think we've covered your name calling but not the potentially racist outlook towards your patients & president.

TH3 C0113CT0R March 18 2012 8:39 PM EDT

LOL, Titan Send me a friend Request on LoL, Love to play a few rounds providing your at least level 30.

Name: L3G0 (If it causes problems use L3g0.. stupid typo when signing up and i refuse to pay the huge RP to fix it)

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 18 2012 8:40 PM EDT

LoL trains you for dealing with a complaining woman? I'm going to assume this must be true of many online multiplayer games. I expect a heavy decline in divorce rates starting with this generation if this is true. Those guys from Freakonomics should study this.

Elf X.7plus35k March 18 2012 8:43 PM EDT

LoL Ranger, thank you for pointing this out and making it clear... if you haven't noticed and I'm sure you have. The rules seem to keep changing from admin to admin and from second to second go figure... nothing new there yes yes I know.

Josh, I'm pretty sure I have as much right to complain about the rules as anyone else seeing as how zillions of changes have been suggested none have been added, but people still suggest changes and EXPECT them to be added... also I'm pretty sure power abusing admins are done with *cough cough MrsDi cough cough*

TH3 C0113CT0R March 18 2012 8:46 PM EDT

LoL trains you for dealing with a complaining woman? I'm going to assume this must be true of many online multiplayer games. I expect a heavy decline in divorce rates starting with this generation if this is true. Those guys from Freakonomics should study this.

You've obviously never played LoL, so many whiny people, trolls, and lousy players that just mess up your game for nothing better to do..

AdminTitan March 18 2012 8:47 PM EDT

Yeah, I was 3-1-9 the other day in a game, with the second most CS in the game, and three of the people wanted to report me for "feeding"..

I was like "1-6" solo top Fiddle, yeah I'm feeding.

TH3 C0113CT0R March 18 2012 8:58 PM EDT

LOL yea peeps are ridiculous in that game sometimes..

TH3 C0113CT0R March 18 2012 9:00 PM EDT

they wanted to report me more once for being a tank and going stuff like 3-6-15, and im tanking all the damage while they kill people and Im like.. omg, I tank the damage and die so you can live and kill.. and you want to report me!!!! IM the reason YOUR still alive..

Also notice the high assists, and they are like So.. morons..

TH3 C0113CT0R March 18 2012 9:01 PM EDT

oh and the crazy amount of DC's and AFK's is just BEYOND ridiculous.. more then half my lost game are because of that....

Elf X.7plus35k March 18 2012 9:13 PM EDT

This is why people opt to pay for WoW and only do things with friends in that game to cut down and much of the above... just saying LOL :D

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 18 2012 9:19 PM EDT

Or you could just opt to play LoL with your friends?

I actually played LoL in beta but never really got into it. Barely got into Dota. I was mostly joking about the behavioral skills. People behave like that in all games. When I was playing Counter Strike 10 years ago it was the same.

Elf X.7plus35k March 18 2012 9:25 PM EDT

Except WoW is better. :) My friends and I started in the days of Diablo, we've grown accustom to Blizzards way of doing things. Unfortunately LoL is not ran by Blizzard... enough said. :)

TH3 C0113CT0R March 18 2012 9:26 PM EDT

yea CS hasn't changed either, I gave up on it. LOL playing with friends isn't always and option, and its usually just easier to solo queue..

TH3 C0113CT0R March 18 2012 9:26 PM EDT

My personal opinion of WoW is wow this is crap :D

LoL is LOL!!!!

Lord Bob March 18 2012 10:48 PM EDT

It is apparently ok to call a right wing woman someone who spread eagles. And it is ok to call someone a racist.
Or "SOCIALIST!"

QBRanger March 18 2012 11:45 PM EDT

I never knew the word socialist was that horrible.

I know the word racist is.

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 19 2012 12:00 AM EDT

Well he did say potentially.

Lord Bob March 19 2012 3:47 AM EDT

I never knew the word socialist was that horrible.
I consider it on equal footing with "capitalist." I do, however, get kind of annoyed when people call me things I am not.

I know the word racist is.
Correct. You'll note that I have defended you from accusations of racism in the past.

Wise March 19 2012 5:20 AM EDT

Does anybody want to buy a level 30 LoL account? The game crashes my laptop with the new updates so I never play it anymore.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] March 19 2012 5:31 AM EDT

I really don't want to fan any flames, or incite anything, but;

Direct insult you did NOT indicate you were joking...

It wasn't an insult. The quote being questioned was selectively made in order to bias it towards your point.

Pointing that out isn't an insult, even if a news agencey is referenced.

Insults are a difficult thing to judge, especially so over a typed medium.

Elf X.7plus35k March 20 2012 11:00 AM EDT

I'm sorry GL, but as I recall the rules are based from admin to admin. Thus it's only fair that as the one being aimed at in his post if I felt insulted he should have either said he never insulted me or apologized pretty simple. As direct insults have never been allowed until now... which would not be fair or consistent for those of you keeping points ;)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] March 20 2012 11:15 AM EDT

It's difficult, becuase I could say I felt insulted by your post above aimed at me, and you should apologise for it.

I don't, of course, there's little that does offend me. ;) What Michael Bay's doing to my childhood is one though. lol.

How much of an apology would appease you? How big of an insult was it?

All grey areas.

Elf X.7plus35k March 20 2012 1:07 PM EDT

GL, wouldn't you also agree that if it's against the rules it should be against the rules? For example if the rules state no trolling and they do just because the comment that this is stupid and everyone should stop playing was intended as a joke it was still stated which would be wrong based on the rules. Per my contest thread it's based on context but it was still stated see the issue? Can I jokingly threaten a member of congress and get away with it? No, as any threats taken against them are seen as serious, but ''officer I stated it was a joke''. Pretty sure that wouldn't work. Furthermore sir, had you read the entire thread after Titan saw that I had already took offense to his ''insult'' he didn't say he didn't intend to insult me instead he went one step further and changed fox news to every news station only to make the ''insult'' worse, in which case should have been handled differently seeing as he is in fact an admin and they should be leading as example not ''do as we say'' again I point to fair and consistent. As the way he's gone about this only shows me that I can then do the same and get away with it as that would also again be fair and consistent. So I'm fully sure he'll have no issue with this...

Hey Titan you're not just an idiot, but a monkey could admin better than you. :D

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] March 20 2012 1:35 PM EDT

Furthermore sir, had you read the entire thread after Titan saw that I had already took offense to his ''insult'' he didn't say he didn't intend to insult me instead he went one step further and changed fox news to every news station only to make the ''insult'' worse,

Elf, you misquoted on purpose, were corrected about it, and took offense.

The only 'insult' was to have your biased quote highlighted.

If you *really* took offense at that (and I'm sure you actually didn't) then I can only advise you to grow thicker skin, as you're going to have a very hard time in life otherwise.

Elf X.7plus35k March 20 2012 2:53 PM EDT

@GL and Titan what you both fail to mention is I stated nothing but facts in my reasonable case. Unlike the main stream news stations which is where one would logically be offended. Furthermore don't tell me you also think the rules should be fair and consistent when you don't act in a way that backs this statement up. If either of you would like I'll start pulling news stories to make my point here.

it is a FACT that the statement was made word for word JOKE or not.
it is also a FACT that my thread was closed on similar grounds.
so it is also a FACT that to maintain fairness and CONSISTENCY this should have also been closed.

Elf X.7plus35k March 20 2012 3:01 PM EDT

By the way per dictionary.com misquote    verb to quote incorrectly. where as what i did would be located here... verbatim adverb in exactly the same words; word for word: to repeat something verbatim.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] March 20 2012 3:26 PM EDT

Elf, you posted;

"Just stop playing. This is stupid."


While the entire quote was;

Especially when your little "joke" would have only made sense had I come on the forums and said, "Just stop playing. This is stupid."

They read *totally* different.

You misquoted, or manipulated the quote, to suit your arguement.

That is what you were bought up on, and that is what you have taken offense to.

It's not an insult to be corrected.

Selective quoting is bad.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] March 20 2012 3:28 PM EDT

it is a FACT that the statement was made word for word JOKE or not.

it is a JOKE.


Selective quoting FTW?

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 20 2012 3:31 PM EDT

Is it a FACT that you were insulted
Or
Is it a FACT you are acting as if you were insulted in a horribly childish attempt to prove a point?

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 20 2012 3:39 PM EDT

Also, you're upset because this thread was not closed and yours was.

This thread lists possible rule changes that could remove some of the stagnation from the game.

Your thread requested the game be shutdown. Were any of your threads about changes closed or just the one about shutting the game down?

Elf X.7plus35k March 20 2012 3:51 PM EDT

Josh, my thread also called for a discussion from the community in which I had planned to also give ideas similar to these in this thread but you wouldn't know that as it was shut down due to trolling. If rules are to be followed then they needed to be followed by everyone and if people in admin positions can't be fair about them I say they should be replaced.... hmmm now there's a thought!!

Godpanda March 20 2012 5:10 PM EDT

CAN I GET AN AMEN!?

And by amen, I mean can I get this thread closed pleased? It's wildly off topic.
This thread is closed to new posts.