Peyton goes to Denver, right choice? (in Debates)


QBRanger March 19 2012 3:29 PM EDT

Now to the sport time of our day.

I think he made a mistake. He should have went to San Fran. Easy division to win. Top 5 defense. They signed Moss and another decent receiver. They have Gore, a top 10 RB. They have a top 3 TE.

They play in much better Nov/Dec climate than Denver.

True, in San Fran he would have to possibily face Eli in the playoffs but still the San Fran division is a joke.

Hell, even Arizona with Fitz would be a better fit than Denver. And AZ plays in a Dome 11 games out of 16 this year.

QBsutekh137 March 19 2012 3:38 PM EDT

Absolutely the correct choice.

QBRanger March 19 2012 3:47 PM EDT

Typically in a debate one backs up his/her response with some pertinent statements as to why.

But that is a typical debate.

QBsutekh137 March 19 2012 4:00 PM EDT

Oh, OK. I don't really see the point in debating someone else's personal decision where I have no idea what his ultimate goal is, but I suppose I can further explain my "absolutely".

I think he made the right choice because it was the choice he made. If he thought it was the wrong choice for him, in this moment, he would have chosen a different option, don't you think?

Do you mean the right choice for Peyton? For Denver? For the NFL in general? For fans? I assumed you meant Peyton because he is the one who made the choice, not under any sort of duress (that we know of).

So, of course it was the right choice for him. He made it. Will he regret it later? No one can possibly know that And even if he DOES regret it later, that doesn't make the choice in the here-and-now more wrong (or right).

QBRanger March 19 2012 4:09 PM EDT

And this is an examply of why I cannot debate you.

If you have no idea about football, then do not post.

Can someone make a choice that is wrong for them? I guess in Sut's world the answer is no.

QBsutekh137 March 19 2012 4:25 PM EDT

Dear Lord, you are acting like a petulant eight-year-old! What is your deal? I answered thoughtfully and honestly, even asked you to clarify your debate question (i.e. "right choice for whom") so I could maybe more specifically address the debate topic, and you jump down my throat? You aren't even making any sense -- where did I say I don't know anything about football? How do you know how much I know or don't know about football? You seem to think you know everything about me these days!

As far as decision making, yeah -- I think if one:

-- is making a decision to achieve happiness (however that person defines it)
-- their decision isn't hurting anyone else
-- the person is of sound mind and body
-- the person is allowed to have adequate time to make the decision -- the person is under no hurry or duress

then, yes, they have made the right decision pretty much by default. What other litmus test are you going to use on whether a decision is a good one when it comes to someone else making their own choice?

Can I not even have my own philosophy on decision making and my perspective on it? And could you maybe stop telling me what I do or don't know/think?

QBRanger March 19 2012 4:42 PM EDT

Do you think he has the best chance to win a championship in Denver as opposed to him going to a different team?

Forget this "he made the right choice for him" crap. You are acting extremely antagonist in a sports thread.

This is not an exercise in philosophy. This is not a Zen is good thread. This is a question on sports.

Dear lord, can you not even answer a simple question without going off the deep end?

QBRanger March 19 2012 4:46 PM EDT

Oh, OK. I don't really see the point in debating someone else's personal decision where I have no idea what his ultimate goal is, but I suppose I can further explain my "absolutely".

His ultimate goal is to win the Super Bowl. That is quite obvious to anyone who knows football.

Obvious you do not and should stop posting in a thread you have little knowledge of.

Lord Bob March 19 2012 4:53 PM EDT

Well, that didn't take long.

QBsutekh137 March 19 2012 5:04 PM EDT

I didn't assume to know his ultimate goal, so that's why I answered the way I did. Again, it wasn't meant to set anything off, and I know what I posted and what it meant.

If his goal it so win a Super Bowl, I've really no idea what his best options were. Do we even know all the teams he for sure met with, and what all of their draft scenarios will look like? No, I don't know every detail about all of that, but I doubt you do either.

So I'll stick with, yeah, he made the right choice, whether that be on a purely personal level, purely professional level, or some mixture of the two.

Windwalker March 19 2012 5:05 PM EDT

When Peyton's healthy I think he could play with the worst team in the NFL and have a shot for the title.
Talent wise the niners were the team. However the coach is a jerk.
Elway had to be the factor there in Denver.

QBsutekh137 March 19 2012 5:06 PM EDT

Dear lord, can you not even answer a simple question without going off the deep end?

But I DID answer your question. And you proceeded to go pretty much insane. I don't know why. And by the way, simple reversing what happened (saying I went off the deep end) doesn't make it so. Stop lying.

Django March 19 2012 5:14 PM EDT

Being that I lived in AZ, I was hoping for Peyton to come here. Now I hope he chokes! Come on, Fitzy is a top receiver. Then he goes to Denver. Are you kidding. They have nothing there. A decent defense thats about it. Garbage WR's, and an avg running game like they do every year. If they rely on the draft for receivers, big mistake. Peyton may have a only a few years left. Though Peyton can make receivers better than they really are. (This I believe is what Garcon is). So you have a garbage receiver, he may be avg. now with Peyton. He will regret his decision.

QBRanger March 19 2012 5:15 PM EDT

No you did not Sut.

Windwalker did, you did not. You gave some answer that had nothing to do with sports.

Anyone who follows football knows what Peyton's goal is.

Django March 19 2012 5:16 PM EDT

SF would be bad too. They have no WR's either. Moss??? Are you kidding. He lost his speed and can no longer run the only route he knows...... A streak pattern. Moss is.... I cant finish that statement b/c of the PG rules :)

QBRanger March 19 2012 5:18 PM EDT

Being that I lived in AZ, I was hoping for Peyton to come here. Now I hope he chokes! Come on, Fitzy is a top receiver. Then he goes to Denver. Are you kidding. They have nothing there. A decent defense thats about it. Garbage WR's, and an avg running game like they do every year. If they rely on the draft for receivers, big mistake. Peyton may have a only a few years left. Though Peyton can make receivers better than they really are. (This I believe is what Garcon is). So you have a garbage receiver, he may be avg. now with Peyton. He will regret his decision.

Not THAT is an answer!!

I think the OL in Arizona gave Peyton pause. Also the lack of a good proven running game. When Beenie is your number 1 RB, you got problems. Denver at least has McGahee who had a good year comparible to Gore. I, now living in AZ, would have loved for him to come here, but I knew in all reality it was a pipe dream.

QBRanger March 19 2012 5:20 PM EDT

SF did just sign Manningham who is a great number 2. Really upgraded their WR position.

I just think SF has a better defense than Den, equal RB and WR. SF has a slightly better OL and a much easier division to win.

Django March 19 2012 5:34 PM EDT

The only reason Manningham will be a good fit in SF, is not b/c of Moss, but b/c of Vernon Davis. Davis demands a safety for helpside. This will allow Manningham to be single covered. Moss will not draw double teams. Defenses will just play zone and cornerbacks will pass off Moss to the safety b/c most safetys will be able to cover Moss. Moss will just run lazy routes like he always has and always will.

If Beanie Wells stays healthy, he can be a top 10 RB. Before he got injured last year, he was leading the league in TDs. He also was 2nd in fantasy points.

Mcgahee is getting older and older. He is good, however will not be as good as last year. Though, Manning has never had to have a good running game.

I still think the chargers will own that division. Rivers is a beast and had a down year. Gates was injured and if he stays healthy, will open up the passing game. Chargers have always owned Peyton, knocking him out of the playoffs a few times.

QBRanger March 19 2012 5:54 PM EDT

Again, why SF would be better fit.

Vernon would be analogous to his TE in Indy with respect to skill.

Demigod March 19 2012 6:00 PM EDT

I wanted him to go with either Denver or Tennessee, but that's just for poetic beauty. Denver means Superman is about to get traded off (which amuses me), but Tennessee would have meant going back to his homeland.

But career-wise, he made the smart move.

QBRanger March 19 2012 6:09 PM EDT

Tenn would have been better also. Same division with playing Indy 2 times a year may have turned him off as I suspect he still has a soft spot for that team.

The WRs of Tenn are inferior to both Den and SF. The defense is not as good. The RB, if he does not hold out again could be in the top 3 of the league, possibly top 2 if AP does not recover well from the ACL tear.

Gohan [Ka-Tet of the Serene] March 19 2012 6:14 PM EDT

I too think SF would have been the better fit. However there are talks of Denver trying to pick up Dallas Clark(which if he can stay healthy is a good pickup for the familiarity) and possibly Jeff Saturday, Peytons old center from Indy.

But to agree further with other people, I think good ole Elway was the deciding factor.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] March 20 2012 12:05 AM EDT

Adminedyit March 20 2012 7:24 AM EDT

awesome paul awesome. +2

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 20 2012 3:24 PM EDT

Arizona - I would have enjoyed seeing him throw to Fitz but I really don't see this being the right team for him. Being in a dome is not a reason to pick a team if you're one of the best QBs of all time.

Tennessee - I cannot think of one reason to go to Tennessee besides maybe having CJ2K as your RB, assuming he bounces back.

San Francisco - Great team last year. Good defense. Peyton plays QB though and I do not think he liked the pieces they have on offense besides Vernon Davis.

Denver - Plenty of cap space. Don't be shocked if Jeff Saturday and Dwight Freeney end up on the Broncos. I realize Freeney still needs to be cut/traded but that is a likely possibility. A good young core on defense (Dumervil, Miller). Good young receivers. Thomas was a 1st rounder for a reason. Decker fits the Stokley mold.

Denver makes the most sense to me out of those 4 assuming we're ignoring stadium/weather.

Lochnivar March 20 2012 3:30 PM EDT

I tell ya, if I was a WR in Denver sitting in a contract year I would be at camp early and with bells on. You get in as a favoured and trusted target for Peyton early on and it will add a nice bump to your next pay-check.

Mikel March 24 2012 2:20 AM EDT

SF seems like the most logical choice, but consider this:

With TEBOW taking over for a team that already had a record of 1-4 and managing to turn them around and make it to the playoffs, just imagine what a REAL QB could've done with that team.
Don't write-off Denver's Defense either. They had a lot of injuries early in the year (Champ Bailey, Elvis Dumervil, DJ Williams, Ty Warren), once these guys came back (which coincidentally was around the same time that Tebow took over) their Defense became very good and kept them close in many of the games for Tebow to get the winning TD in the final minutes of the game.

Their Offense is better than you think. They need a TE in the draft/FA to give Manning a safety valve, which I why I see them signing Dallas Clark.

QBRanger March 24 2012 3:19 AM EDT

They signed Tamme yesterday. Apparently Clark's injury history scared them.
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