Electric familiar king? (in General)

dup February 6 2013 12:46 AM EST

seems like the top teams run this familiar. maybe its too powerful or is it just the flavor of the month? Lets get an elven stilleto familiar to counter armor! lol

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] February 6 2013 12:54 AM EST

I'd say it is too powerful. Not only does it blast through armor minions but it is also single targeted. This allows you to forgo a lot of GA damage since 5-10 million hits are quite common.

Bounty Hunter February 6 2013 1:05 AM EST

cough cough...Armor Proficiency not working :) But even if it was I do not believe it would offset the EF advantage.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] February 6 2013 2:56 AM EST

*waits for the EF Rescale to come* anything that allows anything to do more ppl tend to complain and it gets nuked. Just a question though.....how big does the EF have to get in order to do the massive damage it does again? I mean mine is how many millions of levels? Don't judge on the largest I would say but rather a motley of levels and then show comparisons to the other Familiars.

Just my opinion.

dup February 6 2013 3:40 AM EST

maybe if they buffed the elven haubrek to decay at 20% less per round when damage is taken instead of right off the start you could probably try to have some kind of mgs/haubrek wall to counter it...make it so with armor prof this item ignores extra damage from ef, insead of 12% (22/2 armor prof)? i know probably getting to specific

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] February 6 2013 2:26 PM EST

Something you might not be taking into account here......in comparison to the other falimiars the EF has to take the most damage(Jiggy's have Hella Evasion) before it can hit.......in Melee. So the others fire off in Ranged while the EF stands there to get damage raped until melee. Now case in point and this should hit you fairly well, if you don't want massive damage from an EF don't have mega AC. Like the author of the game first said and many since have echoed: No one thing is the be all/end all, everything has a counter.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] February 6 2013 3:14 PM EST

I guess the IF no longer exists....

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] February 6 2013 7:59 PM EST

HoC works for the IF......does it work for the EF?

[Jedi] Danludar February 6 2013 8:13 PM EST

Yes Zenai it works for decay, CoC and SG. According to the wiki do I'd have to guess it works for the EF as well.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] February 6 2013 9:14 PM EST

I have never had it show that it worked for me it is why I switched to a Corn in the first place.

RavePunkRobo February 6 2013 9:20 PM EST

HoC currently works for my EF!

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] February 6 2013 10:17 PM EST

HoC has always worked for the EF.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] February 6 2013 11:48 PM EST

EoD: Things of mine and others that are HUGE have become broken or have broken the system. What I am saying just might be along these lines ya know?

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] February 7 2013 1:27 AM EST

Ok so I rechecked again after I got home it has been almost 6 months since I last tried. First time it did not work I cannot tell you why. I looked on the Play by Play and saw Zip from my EF in Ranged while wearing a HoC. On a whim I reloaded the page and tried again and it showed up. So I guess there must have been something blocking it? Again I dunno.

Still though I do not think it takes away from the idea that I do not think the EF is OP. There are plenty of counters to it make it much weaker and you might as well hang it up next to the Halidon.

Mikel February 7 2013 9:20 AM EST

No surprise to me. When the EG spell was created, shortly thereafter I said it was too powerful.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] February 7 2013 1:08 PM EST

Actually, there really isn't a good way to counter an EF or SG in general.

AP, at the moment, may or may not be working. Best thing to do against SG is to wear no armor. However, this makes you extremely vulnerable to all other forms of damage.

GA can be effective, but once again if you are wearing armor then the damage will quickly surpass your GA level.

AMF in general isn't that good. It is even worse against SG since the bonus damage from the armor isn't applied to the reflect (seeing a pattern here?).

In the end, you are left with two options when facing SG of a similar level as you. One, you can wear no armor and take tons of damage from the rest of the world. Two, you can kill it in range, but DBs and/or PL will make it very difficult.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] February 7 2013 1:34 PM EST

If a pettern is the case then sounds like the ExBow too. If they Nerf the RF then they had better Nerf the ExBow as well. Yeah I did go there because it is just the same in that there is little to counter it. Tell me not to worry about the counters for the ExBow I will tell you the same for the EF >:-)

Just sayin.....................

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] February 7 2013 1:57 PM EST

The counter for Exbow is magic and RoBF. If it is solely a tank team, then the counter is DBs.

Sadly, the idea of health vs. damage against an Exbow currently does not work.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] February 7 2013 2:02 PM EST

DBs as a counter is on the low end to be honest. Trust me I have a very high pair and it still does not help as much as ppl would think. This is counting Evasion as support along with high Dex. The Randomness of the ExBow is just too much to overcome. Bottom line is that it Matches the EF's counters as being low end at best.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] February 7 2013 2:28 PM EST

Sure but the subject is about EF and SG, not Exbow.

Atomicboy [The Knighthood] February 7 2013 2:33 PM EST

Mage Shield + AP is an option. Also wondering how the -5 of the HoC works against SG.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] February 7 2013 2:37 PM EST

Minor counters is the connection so it does indeed apply. Oh btw this is not carnageblender it is Tat/Rune/Familiar Blender. You cannot run a top team without them any more. I guess over all what I am getting at is there are other bigger things that need to be addressed before we get to this one.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] February 7 2013 2:51 PM EST

Good point AB. On the HoC I would imagine if it is just base then it would be less effective. I would also guess that Naming offers a minor protection from it as well.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] February 7 2013 3:10 PM EST

AP might be currently broken so it may or may not be an option.

From what I have read, the -5 on the HoC does decrease the bonus damage in some way. Never tested it myself tho.

dup February 7 2013 8:06 PM EST

i remember when the exbow first came out and enchanters were using it, taking out huge chunks of str when a hit landed lol. im still not a fan of it though. imagine if a mageseeker drained the power of a magic spell

granted you could say there is amf but ec also exists..plus nscs can reduce amf quite a bit. you need 100x amf to have 1.0 effect but dont need a 100X greater nw exbow than a tanks gear to make their attacks 0 damage...you just need to do a meager 5percent of their hp to do a full drain.

i think we should make the new acronym the ezbow

dup February 7 2013 8:11 PM EST

it just seems there is an odd balancing act. it is good that skill counters skill (amf vs spells) and nw counters nw (high ac vs high physical damage)

maybe just a touch of refinement is needed. its good to have counters...like rock paper scissors but don't have the scissors shred the paper to tiny little peices

Mikel February 7 2013 11:08 PM EST

EOD last time I tested the vs an SG, I tested with no armor and some armor, with no armor it did more damage than with armor. I haven't tested it in a while, but I don't recall ever seeing a fix done either.

Also you won't ever hear me say that the Exbow is underpowered. It's another item for another thread and it's been beat to death.

Zenai [Ministry of Pain] February 7 2013 11:13 PM EST

Mikel I agree it has however it sucks to have many mention it yet but nothing worthwhile is done about it. Yet I am willing to bet that the EF will be addressed quickly while the ExBow gets to continue the way it STILL is......sadness.
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