Do you think the NCB needs to be changed?

Total of 195 votes


No. 18.5
Yes, give it free BA like the NUB. 17.4
Yes, reduce its BA costs. 44.1
Yes, give it a cash bonus. 16.4
Yes, but the above choices suck, so I'll give my opinion in my comment. 3.6

Comments

Woot! FIRST

First comment and vote. Go me.

-- BootyGod

free BA

free BA would be ill;

vote drudge


-- drudge

Lower Cost/Higher $$

Free BA is just a bit too much. I would gladly take it, but I think it would be just a bit unfair. I don't know how or why, it just feels like it is. :P

I voted for Higher $$ rewards, simply because I still won't buy BA if the cost is lower. :) Basically it's either giving people money, or putting it into programs for them. I forget what that's called. :/

Anyways... 324 BA at $981 each seems slightly rediculous considering my cash rewards are only 1/4 of that. I don't think people should have to spend their entire time on CB saving up for a single NCB.

-- Tyriel

Personally, if NUBs get free BA on top of a bonus to cash, NCBs should get free BA as well, without a cash bonus (or with a reduction in cash rewards).

I always thought NCBs were meant to allow people to get to the top, and at the moment, $(a lot of money) to buy BA is not just unrealistic, but also cruel.

Just my $.02

-- [P]Mitt

I'm all for free BA, but it definitely needs a reduction of cost. The NCB should not require 40M to buy all of your BA for the duration. It just shouldnt. Free BA would be great, but the drawback that I see with that is that you can have teh equivalent of a NUB when you do not buy BA. I voted for it to be free though =)

-Ranger for President


-- ScY

More complaints from a NUB

I'm a NUB still, but I know enough to know that giving the NCB more rewards and free BA would be a bad idea. For one, people would make a NCB and farm farm farm, then xfer things away and start over again. Maybe if there was a restriction to how often you can make a NCB, like one NCB per month, it would be better. About the BA and rewards, I do not know how much BA cost's as a NCB because I'm still a NUB so I cannot comment on htat. On the other hand NUB's are given free BA because for a while they are clueless and mostly just click fight to no end. NCB's know what they are doing and know how to spend their BA wisely. Also NUB's are given rewards because they don't have any other characters to help them, NCB's usually do, once again I'm not 100% sure of most of this because I am still a NUB. But that's my opinion.

P.S. To lazy to turn this into paragraphs so it's all jumbled together, sorry.

-- Selairam

Ba less

Make the BA cost less.

-- 48DangerZone

i just think there should be higher money rewards mainly cause ncbs just can't be new characters unless they get the same amount of income as a new character with NUB.
Both new characters, both need the same amount of money.

-- RichardRahl{Kill Gun}

I feel BA cost should be reduced back to a normal amount... it just feels a little wrong to have to pay so much and get so little back... But thats why I started that thread, to get everyone else's input on the matter.

Now I know that everyone would like to have Free BA, but that would be abused almost as much as increased awards and free BA. Keep in mind that currently it costs upwards of 40 million to buy all your BA as a NCB, don't you think thats a little ridiculous?

I'm all for whatever comes of this poll and I hope we can get a change for the right. Then, just maybe, I might start an NCB and take over the top. See you soon Ranger ^_~

-- DrAcO5676

Comment option 5

No more NuB at all, have you seen the forging in 24 hours? 1.9 mil in 24 hours, damn NUB!
But seriously take away the free BA of the NUB and things should be OK

-- Brakke Bres

Can I get reset?

Just kidding, but I have thought about it a few times. I think that the beauty of being able to start a NCB is that you already have stuff!! They don't. So maybe give them less free ba, but you should have to pay when you start a new char with any of the top 5 strats equip included. Just maybe it should be in relation, to MPR, and run me what my non NCB char that is a year old is.

-- NotSuitablForChildren

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Reduce BA cost

-- 48Zach

Lower Cost!

They're just a bit too high...

-- Fanta

well i dont think BA should be free. i think that we should get more cash bonuses. the reason for this is because if we get free bA then whos to say we use it for the NCB character. so that probably wouldnt be fair. just my thoughts peace

-- lotien

Comment

Free BA.. no way, that would be too easy.

Increased Rewards? No, they should already have some money and items stashed, so that is a waste

I would say lower the BA costs so that it is more affordable for more people.

-- Mikel

In response to Seileram

A once per month limit would be less restrictive than what there is currently - right now you can only make one NCB every four months.

-- QBOddBird

I voted no

but would be ok with reduced cost, as long as the NCB wasn't profitable. It would be completely unfair to those at the top if you could make a decent amount of cash during the NCB. At least some investment should be required to get up there.

-- horseguy001

Yes

The restart 'Tax' is too high. It just about forces you to purchase CB with USD if you want a crack at using the NCB for what it was designed for.

And any change they reduces the empahsis on USd spending can only be good, right? ;)



-- AdminQBGentlemanLoser

I want it all five minutes ago

CB has and always has had a "I want everything the easy way" mentality going on; it's not just CB actually, it's everywhere. It's a fine line to walk, trying to please that mentality; you run the risk of making things too easy for people.

Personally I don't want extra cash, or items, or extra help. I'll work as hard as I have to, in order to get what I want.

However....BA costs are simply too high on the NCB. Pretty quickly into one they become almost impossible to afford regularly unless you have some kind of extra income. I made about a million a week during my last NCB period - approx 16 million across the four months. Somebody was talking about needing between 40 and 70 million for a successful NCB...at the rate I make money that's over a year of fighting and saving. Without spending on anything. That's simply ridiculous. If that's the case it almost makes me want to just quit fighting.

And judging by the amount of regular players hanging around CB who aren't actually fighting properly I'm not alone in that thought....

-- QBJohnnywas

Not Free Just Cheaper

as the title says. It is just too expensive to buy BA every day - even though I have got the cash I was saving it to buy new minions in the future.

-- Phrede

Freed's comment says it all really.

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-- QBJohnnywas

Just see the thread

All the pertinent comments are right there.

But I voted to make NCB BA cost equal to a normal amount.

While NCB's do have money/items stashed, they do need a monetary break to try to make a decent run at the top AND be able to have items left over to compete at that level.

And while it would be highly unusual, I would like to see Jon lower NCB BA costs this month instead of waiting another 3 months for the changemonth. To keep those currently doing a NCB interested in continuing such an endeavor.

-- QBRanger

NO!!

I run NCB's all the time, and im tired of people complaining to get free ba, or reduced ba... sure the costs are high...but if your going to reduce ba costs, then you have to decrease ba, and if you increase fight rewards, then with it should go ba costs...

-- Hyrule Castle

I'm fine if you want to give away more cash, but let's keep it fair: give it to me, but no one else.

Seriously though, reducing the cost of BA is probably a decent way to help out NCBs, if they actually need help. Naturally, the BA costs should still be higher than those for regular characters, otherwise, those players would start complaining.

-- Maelstrom

Why?

What complaint would regular players have if NCB charctaers had the same BA cost as them?

I don't get it.

-- AdminQBGentlemanLoser

Maybe because some NCBers only use the NCB to get 100% challenge to make money... And as such, they don't have a chance to start a new one for 4 months ^_~

-- DrAcO5676

Reduce the cost.

lower it back to standard characters' BA cost. NUBs get extra money and don't pay, with NCB, you're getting less money, and paying, might as well make it an ammount that can be afforded...

-- TheHatchetman

Everyone loves an excuse to complain. Can't you just imagine the number of "NCBers get an unfair advantage" threads if NCB players paid the same BA costs, but got XP bonuses?

-- Maelstrom

Heh

Seem to me it would balance with the amount of NUB and top 20 (or whatever it is) exemption complaints.

-- BootyGod

Possibly

Mael,

I think you are overestimating the amount of complaints there would be in the NCB BA cost was lowered.

The fact that anyone can use the NCB even things across the board. Unlike the NUB where people have been known to multi and abuse that system.

-- QBRanger

Hey, I'm glad to hear that people wouldn't be upset by lower NCB costs. About a year ago, it was non-stop complaints about N*B bonuses and costs.
I guess recent changes have evened things out. Great! :)

-- Maelstrom

Cash Bonus

Keep the BA costs high, but give NCB some extra money for gear.

-- 8DEOTWP

Minions

Im not to sure what it costs yet to have an NCB yet but you shouldn t need money for gear since you should have it already .....I would like to see the price of getting your minos lowered .... thats why I had to sell my single minon character ....you should beable to pay what you want for a minon up to the max of what you can pay .... example if it cost me 30mil for the biggest one I should beable to get one than from 30mil to 0 and the more you pay the more exp you get

-- Super J

all bonuses need to be totally revamped

i cannot remember if gl or ranger's idea was the one i liked, but i think it all needs to be redone. combine all bonuses into one, no nub/ncb, just a sliding scale percentage based on your mpr in relation to the top mpr. at the high end something like 200% going down to like 5 % as you close in on number one, or within 90% of the number one mpr.

buying minions would mess this up, but if we can climb quickly enough would we still even need to buy minions at all. all ba costs would be normal and cash rewards would be normal, as in what it is now without any nub/ncb bonuses.

this would normalize some of the issues with single minion/few minion teams as well.

-- Admindudemus

or

or to still make it something a bit difficult, give ncb's free healing and free ba, but no cash rewards at all. cash is for weiners!

-- Admindudemus

So ...?

The NUB you get to make up for the time you've lost by not being here since 01/01/2005. You are something of an idiot. You have no stuff and no clue. But if you are immediately dedicated and get good help, you have a chance.

When you decide you want to challenge for the top with an NCB you have: knowledge, gear, a plan and all the many months of preparation you have put into executing it.

Given those advantages, why do you believe your NCB should be equal to the NUB? "Because I skipped the preparation part" is not a valid answer.

-- QBBast

What?

I do not see anyone asking for the NUB to be equal to the NCB. The NUB's still get a huge monetary bonus compared to NCB and all their BA is free.

What people are requesting is a normal cost of BA instead of prohibitively expensive BA to make a run at the top.

There also are people who putzzed their NUB, learning the game poorly because nobody took them under their wing. And what about those who took some time off from CB for RL issues and then returned. Should they be biased against also?

What is being asked for is a chance to make a run at the top without having to spend all your earnings on BA. To have enough CB2 to actually have decent items at the end of your NCB to compete at the top ranks (if you make it there).

-- QBRanger

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It takes a NUB a day to learn ToA archer. Takes a week for them to have the equipment. Maybe 2? All up from there and tons of upgrades.

-- BootyGod

Nerf the NCB!

Maybe I'm biased because I don't actually fight, but I think it needs to have the percentage lowered. It's just too easy for people to get close to Ranger's character who's been around for a lot longer.

And oh yeah, I think BA should be at a normal, non-inflated rate (but not free like NUB).

Just my two cents.

-- th00p

Godwolf, seriously: Non-majority/biased.

I didn't think I was messing up my NUB, until about 1/2 way though, so decided to take the time to get money and acquire items with the thought of learning and using my NCB to give a good EXP run. Everyone I asked for help kindly gave it, and still do, including one of the nicest guys to take me under his wing in this game, Peter Griffin.
And I don't view this change as only being done for the new players, there a lot of people that have been here before me, for example, that I've noticed are starting new characters.
Also, I would like to add something that was mentioned in the main forum... forgers? Will they get any luv?

-- sooka

Am I alone in this thought?

It might just be me, but I feel pretty screwed compared to NUB users. As a long-time CB player, I recently dropped out of it for over a year. Now I'm forced to start an NCB character, which is cool, but after such a long delay, it seems like I ought to be eligible for a NUB-like character. Seems like a fairly heavy price to pay- I could've just deleted my character a year ago, and started a new user in the past week.

However, being gone for so long, I hardly know up from down in CB anymore. I think a cash reward increase would be sufficient, or a lower BA cost would work just as well. I'm a player of the laziest sort, however, and it would just be easier for me to deal with a cash boost as opposed to lower BA costs. But that's my fault. =D

-- Goodfish

CASH increase is LAME

you get money on this game for losing a battle. how could you possibly need more? I only play 8 hours a day at work and still make at least 100k a day, if not more... thats ample to by some hot new gear once a week or save it.

getting FREE BA would be way better because you could either earn more EXP than before OR upgrade your own gear. I find it hard to upgrade my own gear when every BA i use COULD have given me a higher MPR making it easier to forge, etc..etc... free ba would be perfect for getting that weapon up while still using normal ammount of BA for EXP on your MPR.

-- drudge

The NCB BA costs for a reason.

-- AdminQBnovice

Costs

i reckon 10cb$ per ba for every 50k mpr so at level 500k mpr its 100 per ba at 2mil its 400 ba.

-- Ancient Anubis

How about free 'purchased' BA with no cash rewards?

-- Kong Ming

Bast

"knowledge, gear, a plan and all the many months of preparation you have put into executing it."

But not the 60+ Million to buy BA.

I *had* a character, I spent Cash on BA on that character, on gear for him, on uppiong that gear.

For whatever reason I want to restart. I messed up, I took a week break cuz my internet went down, Jon messed upthe bonus percent leading my 'Bonus' time to be worthless, whatever.

I restart. Even if I restart with the same strat and use exactly the same gear (sucks if I want to try something new that needs new gear I don't have right...), I still don't have surpluss of cash to buy my new super exoensive BA, to catch up to where I was, let along catch up witht he rest of the pack.

So I take some months to make a Mage and farm cash without spending any BA.

The time I take doing this, adds % to my next NCB which increases my BA costs and I have to farm longer..

The *only* realistic option in this situation is to purchase Money.

;)

-- AdminQBGentlemanLoser

People are forgetting

A NCB is supposed to allow a veteran to make a run for the top. If I sell off a bunch of equipment and take a break from CB for a while and then come back to try a NCB again, my options are severely limited to only one option, USD purchases of CB2, and items. Tattoos are getting to have an average size much larger than before and their cost while not full NW is still quite expensive. NCB players imo should have normal priced BA, it doesn't need to be inflated at all. The NCB problem of cost will only get worse as time goes on, the issue needs resolution now and (hopefully forever) by simply making BA cost what it normally costs for other players.

-- Relic

$40m = ?? Months?

I'm curious as to how long it would take to save up the $$ necessary to buy all BA for an NCB. I imagine for somebody who can't burn all their BA every day, it would take many months, possibly even a year or two, to save up enough for the BA. JUST for the BA. Not even for the equipment that is almost necessary to compete at the top. Meanwhile, the BA cost just keeps growing and growing, and rewards are not. :/

-- Tyriel

And...

Hell, if you're fighting for motnhs to years to get the momey for a NCB, why ditch that character to start over?

Self defeating?

-- AdminQBGentlemanLoser

The NCB is expensive for a reason. If you don't have the cash for it, then use an NCB to make the cash for it. Power level a tattoo, fight at a 100% challenge bonus, don't buy BA, and fight during money time. After four months, you'll position yourself well for running a real NCB. (Note.. you can sell the tattoo that you power levelled to the store for a good $30m.)

-- AdminNightStrike