What its like to be at the top :p (in General)


Mythology February 23 2005 12:18 AM EST

Dont take me seriously,

I have to say when I joined Carnage, had it implanted it brain I should say, I remember looking at the big guys and thinking I wonder what its like up there. Having been close to the top on CB2 and getting tired of it, it seemed to me being at the top simply meant hardly anyone to fight at all and a very repetative list that never changed. So I knew what being was at the top was like, and in CB2 all you need to be to be near top is just to get a Jig of epic proportions equip it to any char even one that uses AMF and DM and it'll still get top 10.

Anyway, I now find myself the very grateful leader of a small band of the most evil, deadly rag-tag clan fighters around. And now leading in clan stats for 1 day, 1 week, 1 month and a year, I feel we have pretty much achieved a place in legend.

Now some will say, ha, being at the top of clans? Weve all done that, but no, I'm talking of that, Im talking of sustained domination.

And now some will say, but its just a 15% constant bonus to $ and exp, and I will admit it is a great sweat thing. But I tell you, with having Todd as an opponent of the main rival, it DOES feel GREAT walking up every morning, checking clan rankings, and laughing in his face.

I expect an equalling amusing and long retort from Hellfire, or I shall declare us victors on all fronts. Hail Valinorians!

[Banned]Monty February 23 2005 12:35 AM EST

RAH!!!! Valinor!!

Becoming February 23 2005 1:07 AM EST

Actions speak louder than words.

Let the statistics page be your voice.

Majestik Moose February 23 2005 4:53 AM EST

Yeah! You guys are truly great, and powerful. You completely deserve the highest rank in my book of legends :)

I myself has a lousy strat, and it survives only because of my tattoo of enormous size.

If weren't for your evilness, and deadlyness, I would bow before you, but I dare not.

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] February 23 2005 5:18 AM EST

Liar! You said you wake up every morning, when its clear that you don't sleep for periods longer then an hour or 2 at time!

Todd February 23 2005 6:13 AM EST

Clans have one purpose: give me a bonus so that I can advance my main character.

In CB1, Hellfire was #1 in clan rankings only because we outlasted all other clans. Towards the end, there was a clan (sorry guys, I can't rememebr your name!) who easily beat hellfire in rankings using the exact same strategy you guys are now using. If your satifaction in CB2 comes from seeing your clan's name in the top rankings, hey, more power to you. Good job. I don't pretend for a moment that a clan made up of 4 high PR guys can compete with a clan made up a higher number of low PR players - it cannot possibly hope to. Nor is it my intention to have hellfire #1 when clans like yours exist. On this front, I step out of the ring.

And, your opinion is much different than mine about being at the top. It's the most fun place to be since everyone is gunning for you. I learned more from CB1 when I was at the top. It was a hoot. But, CB2 is different. Jon clearly does not want a "Spid" here. There won't be any single #1 person since every strategy has a crippling counter, whether it be DM, tattoo, CoBF, or whatever. We'll see how it plays out.

So, hats off to you in your accomplishments on the clan front.

Steve G February 23 2005 7:03 AM EST

grats with the clan side of things

on a side note how are your characters progressing?

QBsutekh137 February 23 2005 8:51 AM EST

Todd and Steve have explained the fairly obvious retort... Some folks are about single-focused character advancement, others like dominating the clans. Still others wake up every morning and smile at the forging statistics. Finally, plenty of folks (mainly campers) have the opportunity to see large sums of money in their PayPal accounts. *grin*

I don't think any of these things are retorts as much as saying, "Cool! Now here is why _I_ play CB!" *smile*

Personally, I play so that I can *smile*.

Fuhgawz February 23 2005 8:59 AM EST

Hail Valinorians!

BrandonLP February 23 2005 9:50 AM EST

What's a Valinor?

Quark February 23 2005 12:47 PM EST

I second Chet - the economic clans are really neat in how they can do business. Not to mention Fast Forging!

MoeDrippins February 23 2005 1:14 PM EST

Todd says:

> Clans have one purpose: give me a bonus so that I can advance my main character.

Or.... not. Clans have 1 purpose *FOR YOU*. Which is not my purpose. The very fact you responded the way you did validates /my/ reasons, anyway. =)

> Towards the end, there was a clan (sorry guys, I can't rememebr your name!) who easily beat hellfire in rankings using the exact same strategy you guys are now using.

Demonic Horde. It wasn't the EXACT same strategy; we didn't do the character switching as SoV is doing, we just happened to START with low to mid PR characters (compared to the leaders of the time).



Steve G says:

> on a side note how are your characters progressing?

I can't speak for the rest of the guys, but I have 5 chars in rotation and they are progressing faster than 1/5 the rate of the leaders. So you tell me.

Steve G February 23 2005 2:08 PM EST

yea of course your small chars progress faster, you have higher bonus, better refresh rate, and everytime you restart a character there are more characters out there for you to choose from therefore making it easier to climb.

Hellfire on the other hand choose to advance their main characters with a low refresh rate, and in most cases have to share targets with most of the upper population so the growth is much different

Todd February 23 2005 2:08 PM EST

Moe: Shall I preface every post I make with a disclaimer indicating that I am expressing my thoughts, not attempting to control the masses with a declaration? Yes, clans purpose (for me) is to further my main character.

Some people forge
Some people camp
Some people fight to stay on the top of the clan list.
Some people fight to make a powerful character.
Some people come to chat.

It's what makes the world go around.

Shadowcat February 23 2005 2:45 PM EST

That's a nice accomplishment for you Valinor people, and congrats, but I'm not impressed in the least. At the end of the day I give far more respect to the people who tough it out under the constraints of a system and stay competitive rather than finding a way to get around it, however justified that way may be. I don't have any problems with what your doing, and kudos for finding a way to stay at the top, but clans like Hellfire get all the cool points at the end of the day, and you Valinorians can go leap off a cliff for all I care.

Warchild February 23 2005 2:57 PM EST

This is great. Being the founder of Demonic Horde in cb1 I can tell you a couple of things about where this is going.

Demonic Horde ruled the stat listings for a while, but we eventually came crashing down due to (mostly) internal affairs, however the downfall of that clan was inevitable. We decided that we would continue to advance our characters instead of switching out characters to keep the low refreash rate (although a couple of people did switch out on their own) By continuing with our characters we lost the BA refreash rate advantage that we had and became decent targets for the higher pr clan members.

Now you all (Sentinels) have decided that you will all have multiple lower pr characters to keep the ba advantage. While this is a great idea for now it could lead to the ruination of your clan. The reason is simple, eventually some clan, whose members have been advancing there main characters, will decide that enough is enough and farm your low pr characters into dust. Yes,this clan (whomever they may be) will have to deal with lower rewards for a short time but they will make it to the top of the list. When this happens one of three things will become of it

1) You will all realize that in order to compete you will have to have a way to protect your clan points (ie the ability for at least some of your characters to beat the characters in the clan that is pummeling your clan points) and you will start to advance a single character (thus losing your ba advantage and the bonus to your clan points)

2) You will all decide that you will continue to switch out your characters. But with out the 15% bonus you will slow down in your (already slow) character development and enable newer clans to catch you much faster.

or

3) You will bicker about it some will say that you need to advance characters some will want to continue doing what you are doing now. This is the death toll for your clan. A clan can not survive if the members are arguing (trust me on this one.) You will bicker and some people will leave to join other clans or start their own. The people that are left will try and pick up the broken remains of the clan and put it back together (which may or may not be successful but will take you out of the overall clan picture)

So, as a final word, enjoy being at the top while you are there but don't expect to be at the top of the list forever. Your clan strat, while temporarily very strong, is not one that is built to last.

Gothar February 23 2005 3:01 PM EST

Quote - "Dont take me seriously" ;)

I think the Valinorians have been together a loooooong time now and if they were gonna bicker it would have happened by now.

Mythology February 23 2005 3:16 PM EST

Shadowcat - Im sorry you got rejected from Valinor, dont be bitter...

Todd - I said retort, not give up :p

Warchild - wrong wrong wrong
1) We dont do it for low ba rate, thats just a perk, if you look at like this, you're wrong.
2) Character growth aint that slow mate, my combined is around 250K PR now, that's the same as the top character. Slower, not slow :)
3) Your whole scenario is wrong, so in your picture Hellfire decide to "farm us into the dust" one, we will lose like 0.6% bonus, they will lose like 50% from hitting so below their level. Plus, if Hellfire farm us, then for how long? A day? A week? There is no way that another clan would put up for such a long period of terrible rewards just to be on the top spot, plus dont forget, we are farmed a lot at the moment anyway and the gap is about 5K, that would be a lot of fights from one clan.
4) Also just a last point about our unique rotation strategy, I came up with that strategy for me, the clan only came later, it was not made to "make the best clan", clan didnt even come into it.
5) Valinor are shiny happy people who never bicker.
6) Lastly I disagree with you saying it isn't long lasting, in fact the hardest part of the strategy is at the start, then it just gets better and better. The first few weeks we had real troubles but now dominate the stats, thats from time, as in getting better.

Hail Valinorians!

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] February 23 2005 4:21 PM EST

Hey Myth, if you want everyone to know how great you are, why don't you come into regular chat and tell us instead of making these posts that just bring out all the hard feelings... unless of course the reason for the posts is... hmm..

Majestik Moose February 23 2005 5:39 PM EST

Aren't the inhabitants of valinor named Valar? :P

spydah February 23 2005 6:28 PM EST

You should never take me seriously, unless I start the statement by saying never to take me seriously, in which case I am very serious about being unserious in a most serious way, in all seriousness... or something.

I don't really get it, and that really isn't a problem of course. So, you are all rotating around, weeee, you have a combined PR of 250kish...

and?

I am not seeing the point of a bunch of low-mid pr chars. OK, you have the top clan spot... don't take this the wrong way, but that is 'easy' with 3 clans of many peeps, so I am not terribly impressed, beyond getting that many people to acutually work together :p

I guess my deal is I am more concered with what I concider to be the end game, highest pr. Doing what you are doing basically guarantees I won't even have to think about any valorian...vallaret.. whatever you are :p ever, period. This is of course good, the less people playing 'my' game, the better.

So, just for my own edification, is there a point beyond #1 clan?

As a last note, I like how you left out like half or so of the clan standings in your boast as #1 ;) (lets see... clan rivalry, check (go Les Grammarians), clan MVPs, check...mmhmm)

Let the flaming begin.

:)

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AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] February 23 2005 6:59 PM EST

You know when someone comes into chat and says "finally 100k pr!" and
everyone says "congrats!"?  Well, since Valinor only has themselves to 
talk to in the Valinor room, thats why we are seeing these posts, they 
want their validation from their peers that they are doing a good job, 
such as showing your friend how you beat Tony Hawk, or you can do the 
super-fantastic combo on Soul Calibur 2. However, seeing as Valinor has 
only contributed to meaningless arguments and divisiveness amongst our 
fellow CB'er (see elitism) the fellow CB'er is much less inclined to 
give the unanimous "congrats!" Valinor is seeking.

BrandonLP February 23 2005 8:27 PM EST

I take offense to your post, Spydah, seeing as how not all Valinor clans rotate. =P

spydah February 23 2005 9:14 PM EST

"I don't really get it, and that really isn't a problem of course. So, you are all rotating around, weeee, you have a combined PR of 250kish... "

"...but that is 'easy' with 3 clans of many peeps..."

See, the first part there as more directed at Myth himself, and to a lesser degree the rest of ya. The second part was more of what I was really typing about.

So, one (more? whatever) Vald00d doesn't rotate, you are still lumped in with the other statement ;)

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Todd February 23 2005 9:14 PM EST

Spydah.. remember when you and I were competing for the most expensive weapon way back in CB1? Remember when we were making sure Spid was top on the list of any given stat (dex, str, etc)? Well, it's kind of like that. There are dozens of stats and lists. Sentinals of Valinor have decided to make their existence center around a single stat: highest clan score.

Yeah, I don't get it either, but more power to them.

Next month maybe we should praise the person with the highest GA stat? Then in April, we will go for praising the one with the longest winning streak. We could make this an ongoing recognition event. hmmm, I'm all warm and fuzzy inside.

[Banned]Monty February 23 2005 9:25 PM EST

Todd it was Demonic Hoard!! :D the clan with 20k CP

ywnwraith February 23 2005 9:41 PM EST

Highest dex next! =p

Mythology February 23 2005 11:08 PM EST

"This just in" The reporter pushes her ear piece close to her ear and looks to camera once more "We go live to Katie Miller who's live at the Arena."
"That's right Catherine, I'm down here at ring side, this fight has been fought out for many month's events, both challengers have been on top throughout like yoyos. You join us now as reports have been circuling that one of the challengers had been throwing down the proverbial guantlet over the world championship, issuing a sustained claim upon the championship and claiming the old champions not up to the job and past their sale by date. A jumped up little troublemaker no doubt. Oh, wait, yes, we are seeing the old challengers emerge to issue a statement."

-"I'm here to speak as the leader of Hellfire and Associates, I'd just like to say we're just inherently great, and the fact we became champions was just a bonus,the title means nothing to us anyway, its a false title also, in fact we were thinking about retiring. I mean there's other stuff to be good at, I mean, I like Rubik Cubes, wait, no, Stamp collecting, guys? Guys?! Do you wanna form a stamp collecting team?"

"That looks like it's the end of the statement, and all I can say is, wow, anyone like sour grapes? Because they are giving them away for free down here, back to you in the studio, Catherine."

[EG] Almuric February 23 2005 11:32 PM EST

Does this remind anyone else of the movie "Slapshot"? Remember, at the end, when everyone is fighting and the one guy, just to show what kind of a farce the whole thing is, starts skating around in the middle and taking all his clothes off?

I feel like I should be doing something like that. Of course, I'd have to find something pg to do. Let's see.... OK, everyone, imagine that this is a big 3-ring circus and there's Valinorians in one ring, and Hellbrims in another, and some other people in the third ring, all doing really fascinating things, and then out comes this clown, on a unicycle, with giant shoes on (just imagine how hard it would be to ride a unicycle with shoes like that) and he's juggling 3 flaming batons while balancing a..., um... oh, I got it, a poodle on his forehead. He's riding around, comically, almost unbalancing, almost burning the poodle, the whole thing's gonna fall at any moment.... Well, you come up with an ending. Remember, it's a farce.

Good night, ladies and gentlemen.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 24 2005 2:15 AM EST

*Runs into thread naked*

Valinor member, Yup. Character rotator, Nope. Aiming for Highest PR/Score character, Yup. Forger, Nope. Camper, Nope. Elitest, Nope. Highest GA, Nope. Highest Dex, Not yet. ;)

spydah February 24 2005 5:44 AM EST

so, first you say...
"Also just a last point about our unique rotation strategy, I came up with that strategy for me, the clan only came later, it was not made to "make the best clan", clan didnt even come into it. "

then
"-"I'm here to speak as the leader of Hellfire and Associates, I'd just like to say we're just inherently great, and the fact we became champions was just a bonus..."

I didn't know the pot and the kettle could be the same person.

higehst dex works for me, >102k here, any challengers? :p

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AdminShade February 24 2005 6:06 AM EST

hmmm while i'm a valinor member and i do fight for the bonus i don't share the possible dislikings that some might have.

Todd & Hellfire you're doing a great job and so does every other clan that is in top 10 as far as im concerned.

Todd February 24 2005 6:20 AM EST

Hey, let's give myth his recognition. He's running the top clan.

He's just trying to get the rest of us worked up because he's noticing that we are happy not being the #1 clan, and that bothers him. It's all he has. Work out the difference in rewards from being at 15% or 14.4% or 13.8% or 13.3%. Not a bigge man. :)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 24 2005 6:46 AM EST

OK Spydah, I'll give you the dex. ;)

But my ToA's bigger than yours! ;P

But I'm not compensating for anything... Honest! ;)

Lumpy Koala February 24 2005 6:47 AM EST

Your ToA is bigger than his, coz I was the previous owner hehehe :P

QBJohnnywas February 24 2005 6:48 AM EST

Sitting back with popcorn and a giant Coke. This is more entertaining than the game that appears to becoming 'Carnage Banker'........ =)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 24 2005 7:05 AM EST

;)

I used to be a Carnage Banker... No wait a minute, it was another sort of Banker...

;)

QBJohnnywas February 24 2005 7:06 AM EST

Some could say too many bankers in this game....

Myonax February 24 2005 11:37 AM EST

Most amusing thread ever.

Myth says: We are great cause we have the highest clan ranking, Eat that Todd.
Todd say: Huh? Clan Points?
Random people say: Stuff
Myth says: Yay, We win.
Todd says: *shrug*
Myonax says: Yay! You are all winners!

Bubo [DTC of Bubo] February 24 2005 11:56 AM EST

"But I'm not compensating for anything... Honest! ;)"
"Your ToA is bigger than his, coz I was the previous owner hehehe :P"

Man, now I have a certain Non-PG King Missile song running through my head. You know, the one with the title that starts with Detachable...

Mythology February 24 2005 7:43 PM EST

Thank you Myonax, this was set out to be an amusing thread to make people giggle, I think some didnt really take it in the right spirit, ah well.

Duke February 27 2005 7:32 AM EST

How does it fell to be in 2 place

Mythology February 27 2005 7:39 AM EST

as it is sunday, exactly the same as being in 3rd, 4th, 5th.. last place? :)

Duke February 27 2005 9:38 AM EST

I dont think we will be able to make it again.Still good to know we were 1 for few hour

Mythology February 27 2005 9:55 AM EST

Can someone else please expliain Sundays to him cause my head is imploding just thinking about explaining about why being 1st on Sunday and why any clan can *pop*

{cb1}dyno March 2 2005 1:09 AM EST

I've only hit a few of the comments before I lost interest in the egos. Bottom Line: The day a team can let their 15 percent bonus do the talking and win with class is the day I'll actually care about someone's text-based rpg achievement. It's great that a team can be better at something than everyone else involved in the activity, but to actually say something along the lines of "in your face" about it is quite childish and sad.

That being said, I can say I would rather succumb to the 6-9 bonus my clan gets and know I'm among respectable people than sit on the 15 percent bonus with people that get their jollies out of pointing out the fact that they may be better at attacking teams of make-believe characters on the internet than someone else.

Congrats Mythology, maybe one day I'll drop out of college, quit my job, and stop participating in sports/social activities to be the best like you!

Mythology March 2 2005 1:46 AM EST

dynom|te,that was quite possibly the worst flame i've ever read, it's like turning up a football match, losing badly and as the other team taunts you you're reply is "Yeah well football's rubbish anyway!" if you think so little of it, why are you at the match so to speak?

All of your personal attacks on me are just ignorance.

1) this was a joke thread, it was only people like you and others completely missed the point who took it seriously, i wish i'd never posted it it has caused me a lot of grief, and after recent events this is pretty much going to be my last attempt at making CB a happier more light hearted place.
2) I havent quit college, im in my third year of a BSc (hons) in Business Information Technology.
3) I have quit my job because I wanted a better one working part time in a bank, so sue me.
4) I turned off chat one day, plus didn't post, I timed how long it took to get 3K cps alone without doing anything else, 1 hour 15minutes. If you think making 3K a day means you can't do anything else I imagine you're pretty much an idiot and don't understand how things work, wandering around the game like a child seperated from it's mother, confused and bewildered looking at things wondering how they work and what they do.
5) Yes right now I am being anti-social, it is out of choice, I spent last year in a house with four other guys and the year before in halls with 7 others, I'd like to have a year at a much more relaxed pace. You often find people who have a go at "anti-social" people are the ones who can't be alone with themselves as they are forced to look inside and don't like what they see.
6) I dont quite know how you judge a person by the number of sporting activites they do, I guess you must view anyone who is old as worthless people. As for me, I used to be a swimmer the only thing I've won awards for and a pretty awful rugby and football player, but after breaking index finger, little finger, wrist and big toe I got a little fed up with rugby and decided my sport was going to be spectator. But if you view your life as being great because you play lots of sports and that it makes you a good person then good for you.

Anyway, this is the last big post I'll make for a long time, I hope others view it the way it was meant, just to put down and shut up a fool rather than some deep meanings. Okay thank you and goodnight.

Sedecim March 2 2005 4:21 AM EST

Myth, could you give us a tip on getting that many clanpoints in 1 hour and 15 minutes? :)

As I see it the max would be about 3*(480+160+80) = 2160. With the 3 being the points earned per fight, 480 the ba you could buy, 160 the ba you would've saved up and 80 being the BA which regenerates in 1 hour and 20 minutes...

You might get a few points from being challenged, but 840 points seems a bit steep...

AdminG Beee March 2 2005 4:45 AM EST

Technically 3,600 are available from his own fights alone.
BA allocation occurs at midnight server time if I remember correctly. Buying and using your BA in the minutes before midnight and then again immediately after midnight gives you an extra 480 over and above your original calculation.

3*(480+480+160+80) = 3600.

heh, detail shmeatail...

Mythology March 2 2005 4:51 AM EST

Sure, login more than once... its 1 hour 15 minutes combined.
I occasionaly have very busy days but (and yes it's sad) my day always includes CB, the way I look at is if I dont mind spending time when I am busy playing then on days like today when I'm not I'll be thankful I did. Here :
Get up, make coffee.
Login to CB, burn 160 ba, reply to chat mails.
Buy ba, burn it, log off.
Login 3hrs later, burn the ba (repeat till bed).

I usually only have 10 peeps on my list, but if you have a longer fight list, you could reduce it down to half an hour easily.

Sedecim March 2 2005 6:39 AM EST

Wow, very clever G Beee!! :)

[SoV] Shiv [/me Forge Stuff :D] March 2 2005 11:38 AM EST

/me concludes "when your at the top every1 takes shots at you, whether your winning or losing"

in this case "winning" :D

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] March 2 2005 11:59 AM EST

also in that 1hour and 15 minutes Myth only needed to use 1k in ba to gain 3k clan points.
He obviously has only 3-point members who he can beat in 1 fight meaning 3 points every fight. Although Myth could only have used 1k ba by being online at midnight server time.

Mythology March 2 2005 1:01 PM EST

Just to see, will be atempting fastest possible use of all ba tomorrow, so no chat mails please, that means you shade :p

[MG]Mecca-Devilbot [Clan of One] March 3 2005 1:05 AM EST

/me thinks that Myth is just having fun making posts again, after being forum banned for so long.
I Guess a guy's gotta post about something.
Either that or he's trying for the most inflamitory posts so that he can have the most forums posts in all of CB. (The fact that this is also a 'stat' to brag about is merely a coincidence. don't ya'll be jumpng down my throat now)

spydah March 19 2005 12:42 PM EST

/me wonders how the view has been lately, or is there too much virtual dust?

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Starseed^Lure March 19 2005 5:15 PM EST

Lol, I can't believe you drug this one up. Too funny.

spydah March 19 2005 5:23 PM EST

;)

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