Discussion: thread hijacking definition? (in General)

Well, after discussing with some people in chat, I found this interesting. I figured I'd make a post and see if we couldnt' get some more debate/learning accomplished.

The matter in question is the WTB thread made by TheUltimateWarrior. In it, he clearly states:
"WTB: Elven Gloves, Displacement Boots, or Cloak of Balrog Flame"

What makes this controversial , at least in my opinion, is when Glory posts he/she will maybe sell a CoBF but wants to buy DB's or a BoM. Granted this seems like a trade at first. And those are fine and dandy, but as you can tell since I made this post there are problems with this.

First off,when you think about it this is saying it basically goes, 'I want to buy the some of the same stuff as you but in your thread.' Clearly hijacking by this definition. Secondly, look at the context. By saying she wants the same items he wants to buy, it's clear they can't trade. What this means is that Glory is doing some free advertising for her CoBF, which we all know is in demand. The result of her post is that people with the items he is looking to buy, the DB's mainly, will go to Glory and not TUW if they want a CoBF. Again- I call that thread hijacking.

In closing, I guess I do have to say this looked pretty unintentional. I'm not debating if Glory meant to hijack or not, I'm just saying I think that is the way it turned out. Please don't take any of this personal or against you in any way. I just wanted to give my two cents on why I feel it was undoubtedly thread hijacking. Any other thoughts?

I'm selling a lochaber axe if you're interested.

"I am looking for a Buckler of Mandos and a pair of Displacement boots in exchange for my Cloak of Balrog Flame [0] (+9). "

Those were the exact words buy Glory.

No where does it say or intimate that Glory wants to buy a BOM or DB.

S/he is just saying s/he has a cobf and since TUW wants one, thats his/her price.

Whether TUW wants a pair of DB also is not relevant since many people want multiples of items for their minions. Perhaps TUW was looking for a 2nd or 3rd pair of DB's. Perhaps is TUW had one pair he would be willing to get rid of it and a BOM for the COBF.

I think you may have misread Glory's post. And personally I do not think Glory was hijacking the post.

Just my opinion

How about FS posts where they sell out of thread and then never post about the sale?

Possible Scenario:
TUW already had a pair of DBs and was looking to buy a 2nd pair. Perhaps he really wants a COBF and would be willing to trade the pair of DBs he owns in exchange for the COBF.

Whether or not this scenario is likely or not is another issue.

Loan Broker, now thats an entirely different subject that should be disussed in other thread please.

To many subjects in one threat confuses me and my brain may explode from it. I certainly do not want that to happen. My wife however....

Point well taken. Wanting to buy and wanting to trade aren't exactly the same. But the point behind her post remains the same- she has an item, and wants two in return, one of which is the DB's he wants to buy. Even if he did have another pair, I can't adopt the logic that he would sell/trade his DB's in his own WTB DB's thread.

Again, what this means is that they have no way to make a deal, and Glory knew or should have known that when posting. All that post did was serve to steal away some of TUW's chances to get a set of DB's. And sure, I'm being overtechnical here, but that's still my opinion. The more responsible answer was that Glory should have emailed/ PM'ed/chatmailed TUW and gotten a response. As is, it takes away from his post and his chance of buying DB's.

I had no idea that my post on TheUltimateWarrior's thread would be construed as a hijack. All I was doing was making it known what I am looking for, and stated that I had a CoBF that we could possibly work out a deal for. It was not my intention to hijack whatsoever, if that was the case I apologize and will in the future be more careful of my replies.

I don't quite understand your last point Vaynard.

The way that I've read that thread, TUW let it be known that he wanted DBs, EGs, and a CoBF. In his title, he indicates he wants multiple DBs and EGs.

Glory then offered to trade him a CoBF for a BoM and/or DB. To me, this is an honest offer because
1: TUW might value the CoBF higher than the DB, and be willing to give up a DB for it, and
2: TUW might get multiple offers of DBs, since he is seeking multiple, but no other acceptable CoBF offers. He might trade for an extra pair of DBs, and then turn around and trade it for Glory's CoBF.

I'm not saying that you are not raising an interesting point, but I think that this example might not be the best. I've reported a couple of hi-jacks in FS/WTB before, and the system I use to value it is "Is the possible hi-jacker making any kind of offer that the buyer would take." Even if the chance is very slight that the original poster will take the offer, I personally err on the side of Good Human Nature and do not concern myself with it.

Of course, I also really dislike chatmailed/PMed offers because so many of them are accepted without allowing anyone else a chance to counter-offer.

I'm sorry Glory, I never did and do not mean to accuse you of intentionally hijacking Glory. Sorry for talking about you without permission as well. I simpley wanted to get some opinions on this. It's interesting to me, because it does seem borderline. I just thought I had a few honest points. Although so far it looks like no one agrees with me yet.

Bubo: I do see your point. I suppose it is possible, although seemingly rather improbable in my mind, that TUW would own as well as sell his DB's in his own WTB DB's thread, and that he would have several offers to get DB's, and no other offers for CoBF's. Still, that's a lot of things that have to theoretically happen. And you are right- there is the slight chance he could take this deal, so perhaps by that light you are correct.

And I'm sure it's not the best example to make of hijacking, but it's the only one I can think of and it seems so borderline that it makes it interesting to consider- and I think worthy of discussion. And honestly, if I had any sort of power at all in the world of CB2, I don't think I would have fined Glory anyway, since it was so arguable and unintentional.

I'm banning all of you from posting and chat - except for Todd because he was funny or as close as he gets to being funny anyway.

Haven't read the FAQs lately Soup?
Q: Can I be an admin?
A: No.
;P

What are you talking about Zog McLog? No one ever asked to be an admin... you crazy people need to read a little better.

you must be the stupid one.
NSFY said he was going to ban all those who wrote stupid crap in this thread (you for starters) which only admins can do. I merely pointed out in a jovial fashion that NSFY was not an admin.

My opinion on this (speaking for myself, not on behalf of admins) is that no, I don't like this suggestion, the rules aren't there to make the game difficult, if TUW thought the post was hijacking his thread, he did have the option to contact an admin and ask them what they thought of it and possibly to remove it.
If someone posts something that clearly has nothing to do with the thread but instead to help advertise their sale/purchasing, then that's hijacking. But the example given is not saying "I want to buy DBs and a BoM" and it does have some relevance to that thread so unless whoever created that thread is greatly offended by this, why fine someone (or even just delete their post)?

No offense was taken on my behalf either . It was borderline between good and bad. Maybe this will help people to better form there statements and/or offers in other peoples FS/WTB posts. I guess we should take this in as a learning experience, and be more aware of what we say and how we say it.