Idea: Minimum PR attack limit (in General)


Relic February 28 2005 3:48 PM EST

Yes, the title pretty much says it all. I think there should be a PR limit to how low a character can attack. 200K PR chars should not be able to attack say a level 75K PR. If you want to attack someone way above your PR or near to it, that seems reasonable, but way below is a little sad and even slightly pathetic. Ok, flame away. ;-)

Chargerz-Back February 28 2005 3:49 PM EST

i really do agree

Chocolate Thunder February 28 2005 3:51 PM EST

Hmmm, then who gets to attack a 30K pr character with a 300K Jig attached?

MoeDrippins February 28 2005 3:54 PM EST

I'm not a super long time cb player, but it's just part of the game. I'd been attacked routinely in CB1 by players 5x, 6x my PR or more (of course, in at least 1 case those same people would whine and even pay bounties when the same was done to them...).

Sometimes, you just need to bottom-feed to get the clan points.

Relic February 28 2005 3:55 PM EST

Why would a really high level char want to do that anyway? Just to get back at them for killing them a few times during their rental period? I just don't see any real hard evidenciary reasons for allowing huge chars to attack small ones. In my view it is more an ego thing to attack small chars, or just as I said in my first post a way to get lots of clan points or lots of kills in a row.

sasquatchan February 28 2005 3:56 PM EST

Sad/pathetic ? Nah.

Not very sporting, yes.

Reasons for: If your score is in the toilet, you may be fighting around your score. If person was a jerk in chat/postings, maybe you want to farm that person. Possibly old/stale fight list, where lower PR char's score was artificially inflated due to rental of big ticket item(s). If opponent is in a 3-point clan, boosting clan ranking may be worth the tradeoff (depending on goals).

Reasons against: Horrible, totally crappy rewards.

So if you are being beat up, take solace in that the money/XP for winning the farmer is getting are crap.

Becoming February 28 2005 3:59 PM EST

You're forgetting score entirely. Rewards are based on the PR:score ratio of the attacker to defender. If a tiny character equips a huge tattoo and skyrockets in score, you better bet that the higher PR's are going to beat said character into the ground.

Besides, in the future, if this was implemented any clan could just start over with all new characters and be immune to the vast majority of other clanners.

IndependenZ February 28 2005 3:59 PM EST

Well, there's another thing involved then clan scoring:
At the top of the PR-range, there aren't that many players. To be able to fight a bit efficiently, so not 160 BA on 2 characters,
you'll have to attack lower PR characters. As the top players grow, the PR difference of their favorites will also get bigger.
So maybe a minimum percentage of your own PR could be that limit.

I'm still against it though, being able to attack everyone I want is great!
It's part of CB to be able to kill that 30k PR guy who just had the best current winning streak ;p

Todd February 28 2005 4:04 PM EST

Bad idea.

Score is the driver for rewards. Plus, if someone wants to pick on a little guy, let him. His rewards will be pitiful, but that's the trade off isn't it?

Pronell [services.cu.cb2] February 28 2005 4:05 PM EST

If you lost cash when you lost a battle, or even if you lost ammo, I might see an argument for an attack limit. But the only thing is costs you is score, which is pretty much intangible. I've always looked at score as being something like your perceived power, or your fame. It's what other people think of you because of the battles you've fought, and in a way it's therefore not yours.

So.. what are you out? Pride? Bah.

Myonax February 28 2005 4:08 PM EST

The scoring system already fines these people with a stupid tax by giving poor rewards. If that deterrent isn't enough to discourage them, they deserve the tiny rewards.

Also from the other side of that coin, if you’re going to prevent someone with 75k score getting attack by a 200k pr guy, you then have to prevent the 75k guy from being able to attack the 200k pr guy. It would be completely unfair if someone attached a 300k level tat on a 75 k PR character and beat all the 200k teams into submission while the 200k PR teams couldn't attack back when that tattoo was unequipped.

NotSuitablForChildren [Yeeeaahh.................] February 28 2005 4:08 PM EST

Cheese with your whine? No?

To me this is like legislating personal choices. If you want to take the loss in rewards to farm someone way smaller than you, by all means do it. If you have that big of a problem with people doing it, quit your clan. There is no such thing as being fair when it comes to this. After all you are competing with each other.

Bubo [DTC of Bubo] February 28 2005 4:14 PM EST

I read this idea, and a wonderful vision of the future pops into my mind. The Valinor clans, with their constant player swapping, suddenly are immune from being farmed by the other top clans who do not character swap.

As much as that vision is enjoyable, the sudden cries against Valinor again are already giving me a headache. Please, just say no to bad ideas.

Chocolate Thunder February 28 2005 4:21 PM EST

also, no one is thinking about poor spid in this discussion. What would spid do if he had to attack people solely around his pr?

Todd February 28 2005 5:32 PM EST

I know Spid is an opponent of mine, except that he is in my clan. But, he will soon be walking all over me, and most people around his PR. Remember your thoughts in 2-3 months when Spid evolves :)

MrC [DodgingTheEvilForgeFees] February 28 2005 6:17 PM EST

1, It doesn't hurt the char that was attacked at all. Clan points? Well, how big an advantage do small chars have anyway? HUGE advantage from BA refresh rates.

2, Stupidity tax, if you're dumb enough to attack something that will give you tiny rewards, then they deserve low rewards. It's a bigger penalty than making them attack at PR.

3, What happens when every char north of 300k PR has 10mil NW+ and someone's char has 1mil NW? And yes that does happen. Then how does the 1mil NW compete? If they can't attack anyone because they don't care for NW, then there's no one for them to attack, they just have to sit around waiting for another low NW char?
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