Initiates of Valinor (in General)

Undertow March 28 2005 4:33 PM EST

Yes, another Valinor clan.

Initiates of Valinor will act as the Valinor boot camp. A place where we can test new Valinor members and make sure they can cut the clan points we're looking for.

As with all Valinor clans part of being in this clan will be:

A) The protection from (and inability to attack) other Valinor clans.
B) Strategy advice from other members of Valinor, helping your team to be the best it can be.
C) A 10%+ bonus 80% of the time. This assumes of course that we have a good group at the time, as this clan will be comprised of trainees, not seasoned Valinorians.

All we ask from you:

2k+ clan points/day, 15k+/week.
Buy BA whenever possible.
Don't attack other Valinorians.

There will be some guidlines to being accepted. We're not taking a newb that's been in for 2 days. Although these are a lot easier than with previous clans. No prior clan history is neccisary, although we ask that you be established on CB.

Once you've proven you've got what it takes to be a Valinorian, when a spot opens up in one of the main clans, the trainee that's waited the longest moves up.

Any questions, post here, or chatmail me.

Steve G March 28 2005 4:37 PM EST

hahahahah you guys think way too much of yourselves...a boot camp.

at least i got a cheap laugh today

AdminShade March 28 2005 4:38 PM EST

isn't 2000 points a little high for initiates?

AdminShade March 28 2005 4:39 PM EST

btw, is there something wrong with having a backup for when a member has to leave the clan?

GnuUzir March 28 2005 4:47 PM EST

I propose 15 more Valinor Clans, that way no one can attack each other and we all have to pick on non-clan members for clan points...


BrandonLP March 28 2005 4:53 PM EST

Oh Steve, your wit is sharper than ball of Crisco.

spydah March 28 2005 5:12 PM EST

My favorite:

B) Strategy advice from other members of Valinor, helping your team to be the best it can be.

That's right, all you other nincompoops can just wander about in the squallar that is your 'strat'.

Way to help the game and make the community better!!


BrandonLP March 28 2005 5:21 PM EST

I don't think it was meant like that, Spydah. I think what Undertow was trying to say is that in Valinor, we're very helpful and don't mind offering you advice and help. I don't think he meant it as everyone else has crap strategies.

Heck, you don't even have to be in Valinor to get help from us. I remember the first day I played CB2, a friend told me to hang out in Valinor. I did and Bubo bought me a LToF. We're pretty generous, helpful people. Hang out in the channel for awhile, you'll see it.

Undertow March 28 2005 5:29 PM EST

A) This clan is meant as both a place for busy valinorians to kick back from the main clans and pull a few less points as well. Me and G_Beee are good examples.

B) I'm not gonna kick you out if you don't get 2k the first day. We'll give you a couple of weeks to prove yourself, but if after 2 weeks your getting 8k/week, you gotta go.

C) Every strategy can be improved, and in Valinor strats are a common topic of discussion (And Myth's intimate life lately.......... but that's his fault....) and go Valinorians go out of there way to offer advice to make good strats great strats.

D) The more Valinor clans, the smaller the amount of normal clans for us to pick from. You guys get lower, we get higher. We don't see a problem with that?

Reebok March 28 2005 5:39 PM EST

One problem with your thinking there Undertow, the more Valinor clans you guys have taking up top spots in the clan rankings means less three pointers for you to attack, you don't see this becoming a problem?

You guys can do whatever you want though, just thought I'd bring that point to light.

Undertow March 28 2005 5:41 PM EST

Yah, it'll be a problem once we have 15 or so clans. But 4? Hell even 8? We'll be fine. And the more 3 point slots we take up, the less we need to fight 3 pointers.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] March 28 2005 7:11 PM EST

But would you not be annoyed at finding it difficult to fight non-Valinorians?
Would it not annoy you that you may be in a lesser Valinor clan and only be able to get 2% bonus on average?
The point of clans was that there would be competition, keep making clans is ridiculous and defeats the whole meaning of competition, I mean Elven Blood is now finding it difficult to keep it's high standards because we no longer can attract decent members due to the 2 or 3 main "multi-clans".
I think there should be a restriction to 2 allied clans in the game or for bar to be raised in a clan to make it worthwhile but in my opinion 4 Valinor clans is just becoming silly.
And this isn't exactly an anti-Valinor rant because I hang in the room and I like most of the guys (and girl) there but I would be saying it about any clan in this position.

I finally see March 28 2005 7:11 PM EST

My favorite was A. The protection from the other valinor clans. I know I need protection from the Valinorians, I considered joining simply so I could keep my lunch money. I am now going to try and get to sleep, but I know I won't be able to as I will just keep thinking about the horror of the massive Valinorian bruisers breathing down my neck at any given time.

QBRanger March 28 2005 7:30 PM EST

Vicious, you may need to join one of the other clans for "protection"

Sort of like dealing with the Mafia.

Undertow March 28 2005 7:32 PM EST

Average 2% bonus? Right... okay... cuz I didn't just get that by myself.

Undertow March 28 2005 7:36 PM EST

And Zoglog, yes, the points to clans is competition. So, Valinor's raised the stakes. Why don't you quite your crying and compete? Just because you can't hang with the big boys doesn't mean you have to whine for a nerf.

I finally see March 28 2005 7:44 PM EST

All valinor has raised are the number of clans with stupid names.

BrandonLP March 28 2005 7:49 PM EST

Vicious, when you can present a decent argument to me about how our name is stupid in comparison to yours, I'll consider your attempt to bash us valid.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] March 28 2005 8:02 PM EST

erm Tow grow up mate before you get the whambulance.
I said 2% average in the hypothetical situation of too many Valinor clans not the position it is now, you need a few more lessons in reading English.
And I can compete, I don't care much if the reason Elven Blood aren't competing is simply because they don't get the points (no we aren't at the moment and hopefully the noobs in our clan will pick up soon) but when there are now 4 clans who have Protection from each other lessens the negative points value of the Valinor clans and means that they can raise the negative value of other clans.
I have nothing against Valinor as I said am pointing out situations which could arise, and where did I ask for a nerf? I said I think there should be a limit of 2 allied clans, this is not a nerf this is a way to level the field we would still have all the people in the clans but none of this pathetic "protection from another 3 bonus clans" crap.
If we had 4 clans and were dominating I would still have concerns although I wouldn't be so vain as to go through filtering all allied members either meaning they would get attacked too.
I just think that clans were set up for a reason and that this possibility has just got to the point of going too far because no matter what some of you Valinorians say before too long there will be another Valinor clan and then another and another making the system pointless.
I just think there is good ideas of dominance and then the line where it turns into absurdity, I like to compete and I feel I can especially when it was at 3 clans but I just think that it isn't for the best interests of everybody not in Valinor for this to carry on.

Mythology March 28 2005 8:53 PM EST

Not having much to do with it at the moment, but.

1) It dosent really make much differnce to have 4 and not 3 Valinor clans, if we run out of targets that are 3 points then let us worry about it :)

2) Zgolog, there was a time when Valinor did add to the community, back when 90% of the members were chat ops or admins etc.. But its not a requirement, cb2bank dosent add anything to the community it makes money from exploiting people in need, go moan at them, this is just to do with simple cps a tiny part of the game.

3) We're not actually trying to take over the game (well, as far as I know...) and this is just to ease recruitment, when I was leader of SoV I'd get daily mails saying "Can I join, or just a valinor clan?" or the like, to which Id just have to say no, now these people can join the initiates and see how things go.

4) Dont diss the names!

madmax3 March 28 2005 9:26 PM EST

When is a McValinors opening up in my neighbourhood?

sasquatchan March 28 2005 9:53 PM EST

dangit, there are already 3 valinorbucks in the mall, heck one just opened across from the other..

/obscure ?

Stephen March 28 2005 10:35 PM EST

Everything is now Valinor Bell since the clan franchise wars. And no-one fights in the high streets anymore, everyone out at the clan malls and all.

InebriatedArsonist March 28 2005 11:24 PM EST

Yeah, any clan that has Dan Cortez to sing commercial jingles is definitely a force to be reckoned with.

QBsutekh137 March 28 2005 11:50 PM EST

Just so spydah's point is not lost here...

I don't think Undertow was insinuating that help is hard to come by, but putting on my "newbie" glasses, if I read this thread I might think to myself, "Hm, there are deep, dark secrets to this game, so I need to align with someone or something to get ahead...."

Flat out, you don't. You don't need to learn any secret handshakes, hang in a certain room, or act a certain way (though any of the above can be fun if you choose to do so!). Be yourself. Ask questions. If you see the name "Chet" in whatever chat room you find yourself in, PM me directly. There's plenty of free information around, and if anyone is trying to sell you "crucial" data in a less-than-public fashion, odds are good that it is either incorrect or simply "trendy".

I suck too, I really do, please believe that. I haven't "mastered" the game by any means. But I will give accurate information, and when I don't know the answer, I will say "I don't know, go talk to spydah." *smile* There are many like me. More accurately, I am like them -- I have tried to model myself after the greats that have helped me and continue to help this community.

Viva La n00bs, Viva La Valinor, and Viva La Carnage Blender. Oh, and la whatever on that too. All over it.

Undertow March 29 2005 12:37 AM EST

Dear Newb,

It has come to the attention of Valinor that you have joined this game, and passed 20k pr. I'm going to try to tell you this as clearly as possible so you may wrap your newby brain. Do not oppose us. Do not attack us, do not out bid us, do not flame us. For we are many, and you are few.

Valinorian Mafia


QBsutekh137 March 29 2005 12:53 AM EST

LOL...that's the spirit, Undertow. *wink*

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] March 29 2005 3:29 AM EST

Now Chet and Vicious, give me your lunch money!


AdminShade March 29 2005 4:00 AM EST

why do you people even bother to make fun of us?

I mean you see other clans also recruiting if and when they have need for a new member, even HellFire and BrimStone would.

But when "Valinor" is recruiting people all of a sudden think that the earth only has 3 days to live and all gang up and say that its a bad thing.

I more and more wonder why you people think so negative about the clan Valinor and the people that are in it. I mean if you have something personal against someone then keep it personal instead of bringing down the entire clan that person is in.

We are no witches so don't start a witch hunt!

QBsutekh137 March 29 2005 10:23 AM EST

Shade, I never said you were a witch. *smile*

A new clan is not the same as a new Valinor clan. It is understood that a new Valinor clan is going to be aligned with the other Valinorians, and will not be attacking them. That is what makes it different.

I am not saying it is good, bad, or that I even care. I am sure I don't. But you asked what the difference is. *shrug*

Myonax March 29 2005 2:14 PM EST

I say we see if myth and shade float!

Mythology March 29 2005 2:33 PM EST

I weigh a bit more than a duck so im safe, though I've heard rumours that Shade has a wart...

BrandonLP March 29 2005 4:54 PM EST

He turned me into a newt!

Reebok March 30 2005 2:39 AM EST

Shade I have no problem with you recruiting for SoV (just like I'm recruiting for the Corsairs of Umbar, see my "Join the Corsairs" thread), but you're starting up franchises here.

Like I said, I have no problem with it, people are free to do what they want here (as long as it remains PG, big LOL there). So go nuts, do whatever you want, but there's a big differance between someone starting a clan, or needing members and recruiting, and someone starting a clan for the sole purpose of being their lackeys. I know you said this is a starter clan, but seriously do you think anyone will make it to be equal with you guys?

PS: As I said, I'm remaining neutral here, just bringing points to light. I think you're doing a great job with the BMVG, and I think Valinor is a good clan, regardless of my previous alliegence to Battle Royale.

[Banned]Monty March 30 2005 2:47 AM EST

to finish Brandon's quote from Monty Python

"She Turned me into a newt!.....(Silence).....I got better"

"Now Chet and Vicious, give me your lunch money! " lol


*hides in his corner with his 1 mil ToE >.<

Reebok March 30 2005 3:04 AM EST

Quickly, someone find me my largest scales and a duck...

Mythology March 30 2005 7:21 AM EST

Not really lackeys, as I understand it, it will be pretty much like, someone thinks either "I like the look of Valinor they seem to have half decent bonus some of the time, I want to join" or "I like someone in Valinor and want to join one of their clans" or the like. Instead of us just taking in unknowns and hoping they turn out well now we have a clan that is like a waiting room...

So if you wanted to join BoV, SoV or NoV then you'd just wait in the Iniates and show you know which end of sword to stick into people :)

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] March 30 2005 8:18 AM EST

Don't you people learn anything from history, this is how the 1st world war started, the Germans getting into bed with Austria, the Brits surprising even themselves by allying with the French and Russians in the face of the perceived German threat.One thrust into the Balkans later and chaos reigns. I propose the immediate disbanding of at least one valinor clan, its not too late, we may stand on the brink of the abyss but you can turn back.

Chocolate Thunder March 30 2005 8:26 AM EST

Not really lackeys, eh?... Well for all future "Not really lackeys" I take my coffee black, and if its not hot i'm sending it back!

Undertow March 30 2005 12:28 PM EST

See, this is a good example of what IoV is for. None of the top clans would probably take in Fatal, he's been in for a week and has no clan history. But here we take him in, and bam, 3k points. His kicking more rump than the Almighty (hehehe). Give another week of straight shots like that, and he'll find a way into on of the main three no problem, especially with what, 40k pr by then?

AngryZac March 30 2005 12:30 PM EST

Can't belive this thread got this much attention. Seems like IOV must not have been that bad of an idea though, seeing as how they are actually beating out all the other Valinor clans right now.

Undertow March 30 2005 12:34 PM EST

That's right, whose top Valinor clan?

I don't drink coffee, but I'll take a nice chai latte please, with a shot of almond.

Hope you get right on that Myth, Shade, Velo, whomever.

AdminShade March 30 2005 5:10 PM EST

Reebok, 2:39 AM EST
Shade I have no problem with you recruiting for SoV (just like I'm recruiting for the Corsairs of Umbar, see my "Join the Corsairs" thread), but you're starting up franchises here.

erm am I starting a franchise? hmmm *sells cookies*

and undertow, i think all 3 other Valinor clans are equal for what its worth.

Undertow March 30 2005 5:20 PM EST

Reebok, that's a GREAT plug for you clan too :p

Reebok April 1 2005 4:50 AM EST

heheh. It pays to be shameless sometimes =)
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