What about your friends??? (in Public Record)

I made this post out of a good feeling but don't know exactly how to make it:

What about the social controll of this game, in other words, do you check on your friends if they would cheat or not.

What i really mean is that people always frown upon new players that sometimes mostly by accident have a second account that they made but don't need and that they are willing to help in the removal of it. But what if someone you know did something horribly wrong in this game and faces a hefty penalty (fine / reset / whatever, but no ban) and knows that he/she has done something wrong but wants to better his/her life...

would you stick with the person and pull him/her through or would you abandon the friendship and go your own way...


I myself would stick to the friendship and pull through no matter what... but thats just me.

Myself , I would stick close to all ym friend here on CB and in real life! If it weren't for all you guys on CB , I wouldnt't be able to get through the day! Your all the best in your own ways , wether its for clan fighting , chatting , doing deals , or just plain everything or anything , your all great!

Even if I were to get reset , fined , ect. I would still try and pull through for all my lovely friends out there. My friends on here have always pulled through for me and been there when I've needed it. I remember one time I needed 80k to get out of debt , so i was trying to sell my compound bow and then try and get the rest another way , tscm said he would buy it for 40k , and he sent me the full 80k so I could get out of debt! Now thats being a good friend

Everyone on CB is kind and caring to one another and I hope it stays that way for a long time to come!

This is in public records because?

Is someone going to get fined/banned/burned alive/reset?

What, friend in game only? I've done that already. Although I regreted it later most of the time, because the person really was an idiot.

But if Gooey_Fluids turned out to be a multi, I wouldn't stop being friends with him. I'd probably pat him on the back for getting away with it this long.

I've worked out plans with others to cheat even. Nothing big like multi-ing. We wanted to screw with the item meta stats. Trade a DCM back and forth in auctions for huge sums of money or something. But I was afraid of the punishment. (See Ring mail in item meta stats on CB1)

As a subadmin, you don't have the luxury of turning a blind eye to a friend doing "something horribly wrong". Not even doing something "mildly wrong".

As a player, it's a tougher question. But I think that, if you know about someone cheating, you have an obligation to take steps.

For me, I would feel obligated to bring it to the attention of an admin, though I would also feel fine pleading for mercy. If I were an admin, I'd have to take the same action as I would if it were a stranger that cheated. Admins have a higher responsibility and you have to accept that if you want the power that goes with it.

On a related note... you tend to become like the people with whom you associate. Why associate with a cheater? That can only bring you down.
Instead, seek out people you can admire. People that inspire you to grow and succeed.

IMHO, when it comes to cheating, there is a fine line between "cheating" and "playing the system."

It really depends on how seriously you take the game.

Beware, that path leads to lawyering.

@ Xiaz: not at all just wanting some opinions :)

@ Sukotto: indeed as an admin you can't turn your head if someone has done something wrong but you can help the friend in keeping it from getting worse, or at least trying to :)

As an Admin you have to be fair to all players. You can't rule different for your friends and those who aren't your friends. That is the responsibility of being an Admin. How do you help a friend who has broken the rules and you as an Admin knows it? You are trying to help him? Would you do the same for a player who isn't your friend? I don't think so. You would fine him or her straight away. An Admin who has a set of rules for his friends and a set of rules for all the other players is in my eyes not a good Admin at all and should be removed from his position straight away. My question would be......Can an Admin have friends?.........And still do a good job as an Admin?.........

Personally i trust my friends enough to be smart, no matter the nature of their activities.

That being said, CB is its own universe for me. Something said outside of Cb would be none of my CB business. While something revealed to me inside of CB's borders would be stupidity, understand?

I'd betray them all for a +2 DCM!

/me looks around nervously...

Mokaba-[CP] "As an Admin you have to be fair to all players. You can't rule different for your friends and those who aren't your friends. My question would be......Can an Admin have friends?.........And still do a good job as an Admin?........."

I think you get my point COMPLETELY wrong...

I would fine a friend that has done something wrong and i have done so before already... I would however not let that thing come in the way of the friendship and if that player/friend would continue to play i would most likely treat him/her less of a criminal than a complete stranger but that stranger could some day also become a friend...

Don't think that me being an admin would change the way i would see facts of cheating to be 'less' bad...

Mokaba[CP] , Admins have to do there job. Wether if it's to a friend or not. I have been fined before for a mis-understanding , even though i recieved my money back , I was fined from one of my friends on here. It's just the way it works.

And strangers can always become friends. Thats how i made all my friends on here. I started about a month and a week late , but to me , this community is great to people , and thats how I made all of my friends on here. Wether it be Shade , or BooDiggity , who helped me out when i first started playing and gave me all my strategy tips , or wether it be Koala , or Tscm , who I met about 2 weeks after starting to play , who are just my awsome friends who i talk to , and stuff like that

Usually in New Players , if people are talking and someone new comes in the room , usually at least 5 people say hi ,, and then they all start helping that new player. I have been great friends with people on here , and always will be , and thats how a game should be , just like this one.

And don't worry about the admin's job. If you desperatly needed something done about someone you knew that was cheating or that was a multi , an Admin would do what they would have to do. Wether he wanted to or not. Im sure that you knew one of your friends had done something wrong , and you hadn't had the courage and bravery to tell an admin because you were scared of the consequences. My friend hitozhu , accidentally made a second account , because he thought he got banned , and yet he had the courage himself to tell an admin that he did not know he was banned or anything , and asked if that account could be deleted. The Admins awnser was " It may be removed . Thank you for admitting this ! :) "

Thats why I always think friends are an important part of this game , because if you didnt have any on here , this game wouldnt be one of the best games i've ever played!!!! :)

lol im wondering why i always make my longest posts on Shade's threads .. hmmmm. That was my longest post , and my other one was a bunch of forge times on his one with the page he was asking for imformation for his table.

note: someone approached me with the direct question if i knew someone was cheating and that person is a friend of mine, this is not the case i just made this post to view opinions, its just a rhetorical question.

Well, Zach I think that you are playing more in CB1 than in CB2 or is it just the other way around. Now, I'm confused :P

Sukotto said "On a related note... you tend to become like the people with whom you associate. Why associate with a cheater? That can only bring you down.
Instead, seek out people you can admire. People that inspire you to grow and succeed."

Actually, I see this in the opposite light. I have not had the misfortune of having a friend who has outright cheated in CB yet, but I have had a few who were in a position to take advantage of mistakes (such as mistyped amounts in loan payment plans). To me, this is not the time to abandon the friend. In the situations I have found myself in, I have approached my friend and explained the situation to them. Sometimes it is an overlooked accident, but there were a couple of times where the friend knew of the mistake and was going to take advantage of it. Instead of dumping them and informing the advantaged party, I talked to them about their actions. If they had chosen to continue to take advantage of the situation, I would inform the appropriate people, but I'd still be that persons friend and hopefully help them take a more conscientious attitude. Thankfully, I have not had to make that decision yet, since the two in question agreed with me and notified the parties on their own.

I will admit that there are people in this world who just refuse to stop trying to cheat, and continued exposure could bring you closer to their level. However, I think that those types of people are rare, and it would be better for me to try to serve as a role-model in an attempt to convince them to improve the way that they act.

I agree that one should try to help one's friends Bubo. Some of what I was thinking didn't make it onto the page which made my post sound a bit harsher than I intended. I was thinking from the standpoint of "has done something horribly wrong" and discounting "wants to better his/her life". (Assuming Shade meant "Wants to stop doing wrong")

[I had a long post here, but ended up deleting it since it just became a lecture]

I stand by what I said about people bringing you up/down though. The people you spend the most time with influence you a great deal. Continued exposure to them brings you closer to their level.

Exposure to you influences them too so yes, you can help your friends. Just keep in mind that the influence is to conform with the group. If the whole group (except you) are lazy couch potatoes, you're more likely to become lazy than to help them become active.

If the whole group (except you) are active and fit, you're more likely to get off the couch than to change them.

Likewise for money, spirituality, art, ... pretty much everything.

[Yeah, this is the short version. *after* I deleted most of my post] :-)

Mokaba[CP] , I only play CB2 really , sometimes i go on CB1 just to blow the BA , but I stated the point that what you were trying to say as Admns werent going to do there job as a friend of his/her did something wrong , that is not what happens. I was just staing a point.