Axbow and Exbow efficiency (in General)

Does anyone know their efficiencies??? I know that it was 1% per point of x in CB1, but I figure that doesn't hold true here.

If someone has some testresults, I would be happy to see them, (Maybe Jon has given the answers, and I'm too stupid to search the forum).

It may also be the case that reduction has some strange ratio connected with damage output too.

note that it's possibly good that all mechanics of the game aren't given out, but it would be good to know a little of how ax/exbows works, as it's really hard to decide how to put NW.

I'm aiming for a real big axbow, but it would be good to have a figure on how to build it.

I have tested with both an assassins and enforcers xbow and found that every 4x takes away 1% of the stat in question. So a +40 axbow will take away 10% on a successful hit.

I hope others can verify this.

Seems close - I didn't document carefully, but that's about what I was seeing.

does it always give 10%, not depending on what damage done, and are you sure 10% is not a constant for all ax/exbow?

also.. Stupid of me to even ask, but I guess you counted from multiple hits, and used the proper exponential calculation?
(four hits with total 40% reduction means more than 10% reduction per hit)

Ranger, 3:46 PM EDT
I have tested with both an assassins and enforcers xbow and found that every 4x takes away 1% of the stat in question. So a +40 axbow will take away 10% on a successful hit.

+40 axbow removing DX??? isnt it based on the X instead?

Shade,

its x not +.

A x40 will take`away 10%,
sry.

are those calculations tested thouroughly and repeated? also tried with higher axbow?

perhaps share the data? i could set up my character to have no EC and the tank in front if needed to test an exbow (X40 atm)

After discussing with ranger, I have concluded, that his test methods had a minor flaw, but not big enough to make a difference.

With assumed 0.25% DX reduction, per point of x, the ex/axbows is HEAVILY nerfed from what they were in CB1. (Not that I thought that they had too much power there either).

This is an axbow from CB1.. (Named, but ignore that)
Tranquilizer [x19] (+60) worth $9,876,635
If I translate the Changelogs correctly, it should have 19% reduction.

This is an axbow from CB2..
An Assassin's Crossbow [4x50] (+2) worth $9,100,000 something..
Using rangers formula, it should have 12.5% reduction.

(The CB2 has a bit lower NW, but has base +)

So.. to not presume that axbows has been way nerfed, I can give four scenarios:

1. Rewards are much greater in CB2, and NW is far less worth..
(I think that one's not true)

2. It will solve, when the axbows just gets a little more size.
(My axbow is [x43] (+2), and has a 4M NW... to upgrade it to [x50] is a cost of 5M.
A x19 CB1 would equal a x76 CB2 in terms of reduction.. (What would x76 cost????!!!???)

3. Axbows has been given a boost in another way.
(Well.. less base damage, and higher upgrade costs than compounds, who by the way has archery to boost them).

4. The assumption of 0.25% per point is wrong..
(Only Jon can confirm this :)

(Of course this is some sort of whining post, but I hope my points are made).

Mr. Moose,

I came to the same conclusions you just have when i was calculating my Exbow upgrade costs this week. I was assuming it must be more like every 2x or 3x for a 1% decrease... every 4x is a huge nerf (and obviously Xbows needed a nerf when you compare them to ELBs).

But still i will cling to my Exbow as it was the first to spawn in the game (i think), because i can't afford 4 million for an ELB, and because eventually Jon will see the error of his ways and lower the damage costs on Exbows and Axbows...

So.. basically, axbows/exbows are pretty much the same as compoSITE bows, except this:

Minus:

They cannot be boosted by archery/belegs gloves.

They cannot use three rounds, and in some cases, that's a huge minus.

They are way harder to find.. (Almost as rare as elbows)

Plus:

They target opponents with high ST/DX (often tanks)

They give a 10%ish DX/ST reduction.

The special ammo is cheaper to get a hand on, since the demand is much lower.

choco:

(and obviously Xbows needed a nerf when you compare them to ELBs).


erm they didnt need a nerf as they already had less power than an elb of the same size...

Shade,

There was a thread about this subject in Jan or Feb. We tried both assassin and enforcer xbows and got a 4x to 1% rate.

I also have tried it lately vs nardo polo and his 2 named axbows. Since they are named they are easy to find their exact stats.

My recent battles have confirmed the 4x to 1% rate.

bah, me-thinks a better bow would be the SoD from cb1 somehow integrated here, or like a Chakra xbow, where it takes 10% off of a dd spell with every hit...now theres an idea :D

Mr. Moose,

Q: What would x76 cost?
A: 182 million

(Assuming my calculation was right, and it was right for x28, x43 and x50)

If that was unclear, that's the cumulative cost for the x starting at 1. In otherwords the NW of the Exbow's x.

For a comparison, the NW for a x76 is 18 million on a Compound.... that's 10 times less than for a Exbox/Axbow...

I think there's a HUGE disparity in Bows and Xbows in CB2... far more than in CB1. Who wants to sell me an ELB on a long pay plan :)