"BA purchase bug fixed" update (in Changelog)

AdminJonathan July 5 2005 3:51 PM EDT

Posting here instead of the old thread so nobody misses it.

Players who profited from excessively low BA costs while getting a new user bonus have either had their remaining bonus time reduced, or had a temporary 10% negative bonus applied for those whose bonus has expired. (Those who would have had less than a day of penalty were ignored.)

About 40 players lost some NUB time. Just check where the fight script tells you how long you have left to see if you lost any. (If you don't remember what it used to be, then it doesn't really matter, now does it? :)

In a rare case of the universe making my life easier, nobody went from the state of having a NUB to not having one.

9 players have the temporary negative bonus. If you didn't bother reading the introduction paragraph, I'll repeat what I said: these players will only receive 90% of normal rewards until the given date.

  user_name  |     bonus_ends
 Aco         | 2005-07-23 15:34
 Odysseus    | 2005-08-01 15:34
 Gokhan      | 2005-07-28 15:34
 MetalHead85 | 2005-07-06 15:34
 Ytsejam     | 2005-07-25 15:34
 aurinegro   | 2005-07-06 15:34
 cank        | 2005-07-19 15:34
 Magic Mage  | 2005-07-26 15:34
 Hari Seldon | 2005-07-25 15:35

As usual, I expect to be flamed severely for attempting to make things as fair as possible. :)

QBRanger July 5 2005 3:54 PM EDT

Well, maybe there is indeed a method to the madness. :-)

[Banned]Monty July 5 2005 3:55 PM EDT


Aco July 5 2005 4:01 PM EDT

dude, this is bad >_<

Gokhan July 5 2005 4:05 PM EDT

yes it does...

AdminShade July 5 2005 4:06 PM EDT

+profit -profit = no profit, fair enough :)

Gokhan July 5 2005 4:07 PM EDT

I meant, this sucks... not only losing the NUB, but another %10 penalty...

Aco July 5 2005 4:18 PM EDT

so if I would still have my NUB, I just got bigger rewards but couldn't BA. Now I can't buy my BA AND get even less rewards, seems pretty unfair, just fine everyone with a NUB in the low BA price period...

Undertow July 5 2005 4:33 PM EDT

ACO, it's to make up for the time when you COULD buy ba. Not after the bug fix, before.

Synco July 5 2005 4:52 PM EDT

Sucks for the people that didn't buy BA. If there was a log for BA purchases, then maybe this should only apply to the people that bought BA...?

Ox [StephenMelinda Gates Fund] July 5 2005 4:56 PM EDT

I think it did apply to people that bought the most BA, because some NUB receivers weren't affected.

bartjan July 5 2005 4:56 PM EDT

"Players who profited from excessively low BA costs" doesn't sound like non-BA-buying players are included, as they did not profit from it...

Synco July 5 2005 5:05 PM EDT

Yeah, thanks for clearing that up. =)

AdminJonathan July 5 2005 5:36 PM EDT

as should be obvious from the 9 players listed, those who purchased more ba lost more NUB or get a longer penalty

Mikel July 5 2005 6:52 PM EDT

Is this the bug that I reported?

{CB1}Lukeyman July 5 2005 7:19 PM EDT

"Now I can't buy my BA"

ugh, you NUB people, we all buy BA, not profiting from it, but getting more XP, you just have to think, which do you want more, money or XP, not hmm, i think ill buy BA today so i can get more money and XP.

Ox [StephenMelinda Gates Fund] July 5 2005 7:24 PM EDT

Stop making fun of Noobs.

Frod July 5 2005 7:32 PM EDT

I didn't see any "making fun of newbies" there.

Ox [StephenMelinda Gates Fund] July 5 2005 7:36 PM EDT

What Lukey said seemed rather condescending, to me atleast.

{CB1}Lukeyman July 5 2005 7:39 PM EDT

I wasn't talking down at noobs, not at all, i'm just tired of all you saying like, aw now i can't make a profit off BA, as if it's only purpose there was just so you can make extra money if you play for an extra hour or so.

Blarg July 5 2005 10:28 PM EDT

yay jon!

Undertow July 6 2005 1:55 AM EDT

Lukey, you do mean extra XP right? I never make extra money off ba ('cept whacky money).

But his point is quite correct. YOUR NOT SUPPOSED TO PROFIT OF BUYING BA. How many times does this have to be pounded through certain peoples skulls?

If you do profit off BA, that's GREAT! Either your score/pr ratio is such that you've beaten the system (and in that case should be commended) or it's a bug. that's it. You not supposed to be able to pull that kind of thing off regularly.

{CB1}Lukeyman July 6 2005 1:49 PM EDT

Exactly, Thank you Tow

Aco July 6 2005 2:44 PM EDT

my ba cost went down anyway, but this might have already been with the new armor PR change, since I didn't really check after that :P

Reebok July 6 2005 3:42 PM EDT

/me applauds.

This is probably my favorite change ever.

Gokhan July 6 2005 9:26 PM EDT

Thank you, clanmate...

Odysseus July 7 2005 4:50 AM EDT

I can understand that it's not fair in comparison to other players that I could even make money by buying BA. I can also understand I get a negative bonus now (although I think it's not my fault I made profit from it, but the fault of Jonathan that he didn't recognized this as a 'bug').

I can't understand that I get 'punished', while people who used the 'Mikel' strat don't. Mikel made a char with 300k MPR in well count 17 days. I played this game by spending all my EXP, on the controversially way. I get less rewards now, while people who found a way to get even huge -er-er rewards, don't get a negative bonus.

By the way I played the game since 30 March now that's 100 days and got a 300k MPR char, Mikel achieved the same in 17 days...and I get less rewards...something just doesn't feel fair....

AdminJonathan July 7 2005 11:13 AM EDT

Mikel lost over a month of his NUB. He bought a crazy amount of BA.

Aco July 7 2005 12:02 PM EDT

'lost over a month'..... so he now has just 2 instead of 3 months on NUB to go? :S

Special J July 7 2005 12:28 PM EDT

Mikel is an EXCEPTION

he found a way around the current set of rules and made a huge character

the way he did it has been corrected and stopped


Mikel is NOT the rule of the NUB, he was an exception

He beat us all within the LEGALITIES of CB, quit giving him crap for doing it.

Do you lose something, I mean REALLY lose something for being beat by him? Did you sign away your life if you get passed by someone who started after you?

No, so stop with the constant complaining about something so friggin petty.

Like I said before,

Move on, or move out.
It got old last week.

AdminShade July 7 2005 12:38 PM EDT

Aco, he lots a month after gaining a months extra worth... nothing lost OR gained in the end...

some people just don't get it, it isnt a nerf but a fix of an exploit!

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] July 7 2005 12:38 PM EDT

Just another example....

So I'm a pro weight lifter, I'm winning comeptitions left and right, ben lifting all my life. The next years competition, some rookie comes in whos been taking steroids for 2 years, about 150 lbs heavier due to muscle, he beats me everytime at every competition. Is this fair in your eyes? Honestly...Lifting all of ones life versus two years, yea it sounds better, but is it really more fair?

AdminShade July 7 2005 12:51 PM EDT

that other person would be banned for the use of steroids :)

Mikel July 7 2005 2:41 PM EDT

The NUB is not overpowered and I didn't take an advantage of Cheap ba
s, they were cheap early in my game, but after that they rose quite dramatically. And instead of abusing the really Cheap ba's from having a Non-nub character x-fered to me, I reported it immediately, that was the only bug I found. The rest was just plain and simple game mechanics. ANYWAYS, I will not sit here and let you make a NUB goat out of me for your lack of abilities to play and understand what you are reading and/or what is happening.

I'm still buying all of my BA's at $600+ that is 2-3 times as much as Rangers costs, dont you think that is enough punishment for having the NUB?

No one part of my strat was overpowered, it was the COMBO of everything. NUB + VPR + Tat + laoning Tattoo. All very legal and has been used by more than just me, but yet they aren't getting penalized for it, nope they get a pat on the back because they are "Vets"

Didn't Ranger say that CT has created 4 top 10 characters? that alone should tell you all you need to know. But you ignore that because he's a "VET".

For Future reference, Jon, I'd appreciate it if you DIDN"T give out my GAME INFO. That stuff is no one's business but mine and yours.

IN fact, since I pointed out your games weaknesses, I think I should get extra ba's per day to spend for a few mil CB2's for my extra-ordinary efforts, but instead, you nerf my nub, which is find, cause sooner rather than later, I'll be able to

Now, I would like to add that New players should not buy stuff from most players, there are alot of players out there that "PREY" on you. so where do I report these things, I want to see these people penalized as well, in fact since they hurt the game more than help it, you should just reset them, make them start all over from scratch.

I am no where near done with my complaint, I just don't have enough time here at work to use all of my ba's and give a full measure of my 2 cents.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] July 7 2005 2:46 PM EDT

So your saying Vet's should be penalized cuz their vets?

Ranger's BA cost is around $365 im sure, mines $323, so yours isn't 3 times as much as his, I just complain about NUB because it is like steroids, it's not fair to take them and beat people who never took steroids...=/

Special J July 7 2005 3:02 PM EDT

smallpau1, enough is simply enough.

The NUB is in place to help NEW PLAYERS reach THE TOP.

You are NOT a new player, NOR at the top.

Ranger is NOT a new player, AND at the top.

So if you had played like Ranger you would be at the top, instead you complain that you have no crutch because you played the game wrong, atleast in your way of explaining things.

By your thinking, only players who found CB2 the day it was released should be at the top, because thats what you think.

Might I suggest sourceforge.net to you, a great place to develope your own ideas into reality. Otherwise get off the anti-nub kick, it makes you look foolish.

YOU WASTED YOUR time in the begining, obviously Ranger did not, and Mikel either.

Mikel, this game is policed by players for the most part, and controled by admins.

What you were doing was more than already known by those who took the time to look at things. Nothing is between you and Jon, that was a silly comment.

[T]Vestax July 7 2005 3:12 PM EDT

The one thing I've noticed is that people respect a good strat most of all. I don't think you would be getting this kind of treatment as much Mikel if your strat wasn't simple or full of holes, which mind you should be exploited so that everyone complaining could use you to reap above average rewards. :)

People hate losing to a particular item or to a strat that has serious defects when theirs is well polished or at least worked on a lot. When people lost to you and then inspected you only to find a big FF tat and less then 10k MPR in DM, they felt like they got beat by something too simple. So simple in fact that they assumed cheating must have been involved. Now that you have a modified version of your strat, people are still going to be annoyed for a while.

You may have used all the tricks legally, but people really want to know that they got beat by a better person and not by the tricks alone. I would suggest that you take the time to fix up that strat a lot because TG's, hxbow, and slayers just looks sloppy on a 22 ST and 16 DX char.

Shark July 7 2005 3:36 PM EDT

now I remember why I reduced myself to camping LOL :) good luck all of you

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] July 7 2005 3:39 PM EDT

Well, ok, when Steroids become legal in sporting events, you come back and tell me...='/

Special J July 7 2005 3:40 PM EDT

Steroids and sports have nothing to do with a game.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] July 7 2005 3:41 PM EDT

Did you not read my cute little story? It sounds pretty dam similar if you ask me...

Aco July 7 2005 3:43 PM EDT

I'm with pau

QBRanger July 7 2005 3:45 PM EDT


How would you feel, since you dont fight but camp, if the NUB make it so the new players got a 2-3 times better chance each time they visited the store to get a rare? I know its not equivalent but lets say Nixon taught said new players how to properly camp and they (new players) started to get all the rares in the store, mostly due to the NUB giving them the advantage over you. Same skill level camping, much better bonus to it.

And it was explained it was in order to make it fair, since you've been camping all this time and s/he has only been doing it for 1 week.
So they needed to get all the rares for the next 3 months so they can "catch up". And this would not make you the least bit upset? Thats how some of us "fighters" feel about it.

Special J July 7 2005 3:50 PM EDT


I would not have a care in the world.

Why you ask?

Because I actualy win nothing from being the best, so instead I am the best I can be rather than complaining what everyone has.

Want a game that gives everyone the same exact start time?
Go play a game that has rounds that end each monthly/quarterly.

Shark July 7 2005 3:52 PM EDT

to be honest I would get upset,go on about my business for a few days then get over it :),, I have been at CB too long to let things get to me for longer than a 24 hour period :)

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] July 7 2005 3:53 PM EDT

Well, lets see this implemented in then, cuz i could care less if new players have a more chance to get a rare than vets, cuz i dont camp. So I think i may just complain about complainers in that instance.....

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] July 7 2005 3:54 PM EDT

I'm not mad either, i just dont want 30 new players (if not more) passing me up like its nothing in 2-4 weeks, when i buy BA (all 503) and barely miss any refreshed BA.

Aco July 7 2005 3:54 PM EDT

where are tournies....

Special J July 7 2005 3:56 PM EDT

smallpau1 you are one of the complainers, that is very obvious.

With that being said, I am done with the back and forth over this issue. Some people can not be shown the light, so they can remain in the dark. But there will come a point in time where no one else will want to listen, until that time do not crush your soap box.

Maelstrom July 7 2005 4:02 PM EDT

mrwuss, you'd better watch out! With your straightforward, blunt, reasonable and logical answers, you're in danger of becoming an admin ;)

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] July 7 2005 4:48 PM EDT

did i not have a logical complaint? all i got in return were complaints about my complaints from people who really have no side in the opinion (campers?) because they could care less whether or not the NUB stays or leaves...=/

Maelstrom July 7 2005 4:50 PM EDT

Yeah, that wasn't against you smallpau1. I don't like that Mikel has leapfrogged over me either, but it's just futile to complain about it.

Gokhan July 7 2005 4:52 PM EDT

smallpau, your problem is that you only have 2 or 3 players in your fight list that has a higher PR than you... Change your strat, beat better teams, it won't be as good as NUB, but it would be something...

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] July 7 2005 4:52 PM EDT

No, smallpau1, you have yet to apply any worthwhile logic in any of your complaints. See previous threads.

QBRanger July 7 2005 4:56 PM EDT

Can we please let this thread just die off?

Please, pretty please?

With a cherry on top?

For everyones sanity?

Mikel July 7 2005 5:51 PM EDT

No we can't.

The junk is on my players because no one wanted to buy them and I am under my PR limits so why not? The little extra damage is better than no damage at all for some of those 20+ round fights I sit thru and if there's a slight chance that I can pull a win instead of a draw out of it, then why shouldn't I at least try?

I'm using up the Seekers instead of selling them to the store, so I can make more room for arrows. Same with the Tulks, it's AC and the pluses help against magic attacks.

My beef is that no one should have to pay a penalty for using their head and playing full tilt. I already played enough of those types of games in my past and left them.

The NUB is supposed to help a player reach the top, by the time it would've initially ended, I could've been pretty close.

Now let's reverse this.
IF I had been playing since Jan 1, who's to say that I wouldn't be at the top by now?

{CB1}Lukeyman July 7 2005 6:04 PM EDT

Ok, i just thought of this, lol, it popped in my head.

Why are we trying to make this so every new person can win?

When i started CB1 Todd was.. the King(and still is :p) and I and everyone else knew that, CB is like a town... theres a king(stongest player), peasants(everyday people who play), a god everyone knows, some people love and some people hate(Jonathan), theres some.. barbarians(people close to the top, trying to get to number 1), who try to take the throne away from the king. So why does everyone have to be barbarians, can't we have a king, and live in happiness...

In CB1 I knew Todd was the king, and i played with all the other people at my level, I would try to pass them/make the most money/ up my armor the highest/ ect...

I guess what i'm trying to say is, Why have a NUB, theres some people who want to forge, some who want to fight for "fun" some who just want to get to the top, some to camp, it's a community, newbs shouldn't get NUB in my opinion, if someone wants to get to the top, they can, without the help of NUB....

ya... thats it :p

Ox [StephenMelinda Gates Fund] July 7 2005 6:09 PM EDT

There are no kings in a working socialism/communism. Keyword: working.

{CB1}Lukeyman July 7 2005 6:11 PM EDT

right, with NUB newbs hardly have to Keyword: working

Ox [StephenMelinda Gates Fund] July 7 2005 6:13 PM EDT

haha, clever. But I think any newb with the bonus is going to have to work really hard to make it to the top. Mikel was kind of a fluke I think, he had some other things going his way too besides the NUB.

Mikel July 7 2005 6:15 PM EDT

So you are saying to me to accept my place in the world of CB2. I think that is what is wrong with alot of the players. You would rather just have something to complain about rather than giving it an "A+" effort non-stop. I'm not saying I deserve to be number one, I'm saying that I should have a chance to be number one if I play at an exeptional level, instead of just resigning myself to being a serf.

Ox [StephenMelinda Gates Fund] July 7 2005 6:16 PM EDT

Oh and by the way I think Mikel is working hard and it is showing too.

{CB1}Lukeyman July 7 2005 6:18 PM EDT

Ya but, think about it, in CB1, where everything started, new users would fight their way to the top, not be spoon fed by getting outrageous rewards. There was probably more new users in CB1 then there are in CB2.. i don't know what that would show, but it'd show something!

And thank you for saying that i'm clever :D

Mikel July 7 2005 6:41 PM EDT

I got outrageous rewards because I'm new enough to question everything instead of accepting it. I figured out the VPR thing (didn't understand why at first), got in a clan and worked my way up to a top clan on top of my NUB.

And again, I wasn't the only one doing that, I'm just the only one getting penalized because I"m an NUB. Add on top of this that this community hasn't exactly been the nicest to me, and then you'll realize that I don't really care what you think anymore.

There alot alof vets hoping to use me as a NUB goat and get jon to kill it, that is why I'm defending it.

{CB1}Lukeyman July 7 2005 6:45 PM EDT

Well, i'm not going against your opinions, i'm just having my own say(which I don't very often) so no offense if any has been givin.

Jerk July 7 2005 10:17 PM EDT

well don't feel bad Mikel before you came along I was the sacrificial goat. I am glad to see someone ripping thru the ranks like your doing keep up that amazing effort. Now I still understand the elders complaints but I am alos rooting for the underdog (prolly cuz I am a NUB underdog myself).

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] July 11 2005 2:02 AM EDT

Ok, how about this example?????

Without the NUB on cb2......wldflr, my neighbor, made it to 2 mil PR in WWWAAAYYY less time than anyone else made possible on cb1, so it IISS possible to make it to #1 without the NUB, which is what i've been trying to say all along as to why the NUB is outrageously large right now...=/

But im not gonna give a A+ for credit you cant fully commit to cuz you had help getting this far. yea Ranger is right, your going to pass him in MPR with 4 times less # of fights even with your month less of NUB status....=/

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] July 11 2005 2:04 AM EDT

ack, without the NUB on cb1*

Mikel July 11 2005 12:49 PM EDT

How long ago was that on CB1?

From what I understand, most people aren't playing it anymore, so yes, anyone that sticks to it can move up over there.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] July 11 2005 1:04 PM EDT

Mikel: it was recently and done with a way NW heavy 4 t team, something that would be beyond impossible in CB2 as it currently stands.

Special J July 11 2005 1:05 PM EDT

Apple, meet orange.

AdminJonathan July 11 2005 1:07 PM EDT

not to mention that buying CB1 nw is incredibly cheap now

wldflr July 11 2005 1:33 PM EDT

PR can't be bought on CB1 tho :) And yes, CB1 isn't as active as CB2 right now, but it is far from dead!

AdminJonathan July 11 2005 2:14 PM EDT

buying nw means you will gain PR much faster


[T]Vestax July 11 2005 2:23 PM EDT

Yeah, just like buying a big FF here, right Jon.

Special J July 11 2005 2:29 PM EDT

No answer will ever make them happy unless it is telling them you are sorry and see the err in your ways, asking for forgiveness and meeting the demands they have placed before you.

I'd simply ignore them, that is just as easy.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] July 11 2005 3:33 PM EDT

actually, most people on cb1 who are over 2 mil ARE still actively playing cb1, and most dont even play cb2, but rather stick to just cb1...and yet, wld still passes them by. So to your comment about people sticking to it to move up....what makes it impossible to "move up" here if there were no NUB?

AdminJonathan July 11 2005 3:45 PM EDT

what's amazing is pau has yet to construct anything remotely resembling a logical argument here.

Xentrik July 11 2005 3:50 PM EDT

small, you have to believe that the 600m NW on wld had something to do with her being able to pass people. She got higher fight rewards because she can beat people tremendously larger than herself. Not to take anything away from her, it is still impressive.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] July 11 2005 4:14 PM EDT

Yea and the 21 mil NW on Mikel isn't helping him? rofl.

And what is making this whole thread of people saying different things not a logical arguement? =P

i just feel like the NUB is like someone playing Counter-strike for the first time, they have no idea how to play the game, but they're not given a head shot bonus to help them out to understand the game...; P

[T]Vestax July 11 2005 5:34 PM EDT

I'm not exactly sure I can decipher your English correctly small1. In either case it is unlike me to make such a brief comment and I think Jon is looking for something that might contain logical structure. So I'll just expand on what I last said by just a bit.

As I see it no one will get you to reconsider the subject of familiars, the new user bonus, and other such matters until they have at first expressed understanding of your intentions Jon. So I will do my best to understand.

In the beginning you made CB1 and it was fun. It's function, simply something to do as people chatted. However, as time went on the game came to overshadow the chatting and thus CB was truly born. At first, as I understand it, their was variety and fun, but eventually the tanks came to dominate the game and the NW ruled from there on. It is this same NW that has allowed for the rapid advancement of wldflr I assume. On top of that Jon began to see the new people forced to lead a life of peasantry and humble existence.

Then Jon decided a new game must be made, one closer to his image. First he added tattoos, which allowed for all teams to prosper at first and not just the tanks, and in a few weeks into January the new user bonus kicked in. Then he noticed that he overlooked something. He forgot that NW could be used to advance quickly just as it was used in CB1, and so the link was made. Tattoos became unrentable and finally everything was under control. Both variety and fair growth was ensured.

As I see it Jon's thinking is that the new user bonus has no issue with being linked to anything other then time and maybe the small richness of the economy, as well as the number of opponents the new players have at their disposal. It's figured that as long as these things are accounted for then the player who uses the most efficient means to get to the top and also works the hardest with the time given will be on top.

If we assume now that this person is Mikel and from hence forth no other person will ever work as hard as he did if he becomes number one, then spite the new user bonus they will be granted, nobody will surpass him. Yet, this assumes that the growth of tattoos stays proportionate to the growth of CB2. If trading of tattoos continue to start again then this can not be assured, therefore it will be the case that someone working not as hard as Mikel will surpass him.

Now we can speculate about who works the hardest and about whether tattoos are growing in proportion to CB2 for many more posts. My real problem with this set up right now is that it is painfully obvious that there exists only one way to get to the top. This leads us back to the domination of the tanks in CB1 and on how the variety has been lost. If there is no variety then is it really the craftiest and the brightest that will be number one?

I don't know, maybe I'm crazy for even caring about this issue since it is quite obvious that I haven't been trying to get to the top. Plus since having more then one optimal way to the top is a contradiction in terms and is impossible for Jon to provide. I guess it would be arrogant of me to say after all this that we try now to keep this post on topic.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] July 11 2005 6:20 PM EDT

Wow, Vestax...Nice....lol.

Can i be reminded again what determines the % of the NUB?

I want to figure something out.

Karmic Mishap [Soup Ream] July 12 2005 8:41 PM EDT

The length of time since CB2 started, at the moment when you signed up.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] July 12 2005 9:21 PM EDT

i thought it was based on something dealing with the #1 character, which is Ranger, what happens when Mikel passes him up unfortunately?...=/

QBRanger July 12 2005 9:27 PM EDT

Hopefully then I get the NUB.

Special J July 12 2005 9:33 PM EDT

It has to do with when you joined and the level of the highest player, again, when you joined.
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