have prices dropped so much??? (in General)

AdminShade September 9 2005 9:55 AM EDT

I just made a few bids on one of the most powerful weapons in CB2, and nobody has bid over my petty 500k with 1 hour left...

Is that normal?

WeaponX September 9 2005 9:58 AM EDT

welcome to the age of regulated economy Shade

AdminShade September 9 2005 9:59 AM EDT

nah I called too soon, someone overbid me :P

WeaponX September 9 2005 10:00 AM EDT

only after seeing this thread i'm sure

AdminShade September 9 2005 10:00 AM EDT

only just after creating it...

[T]Vestax September 9 2005 10:01 AM EDT

Yeah, I would outbid you just to sell it in FS/WTB for much more (Camping?) but I lack the amount to do so at the moment. =P.

Its probably the same old story of last minute bids... I hope.

TrueDevil [AAA] September 9 2005 10:25 AM EDT

Prices only drop for those tank weapons. For mages item, it keep increasing, and probably at the end of the year, Corn will be the most expensive item in the game. Just a guess. :P

AdminG Beee September 9 2005 10:27 AM EDT

Now is the time for the "OPEC" type economic clan to spring up and control the supply and demand of rares to the CB community. If a group of people ever get well enough organised to do this then you will soon see the prices go back up.

AdminG Beee September 9 2005 10:30 AM EDT

I don't think so Devilord.

From auctions:
A Cornuthaum [0] $35,000 $3,031,875 September 7 2005 1:35 PM EDT
A Cornuthaum [0] $35,000 $2,100,000 September 8 2005 7:30 PM EDT

What a difference a day makes :)

TrueDevil [AAA] September 9 2005 10:33 AM EDT

hmm, that means the 3 mil guy must be pretty desperate. ;)

InebriatedArsonist September 9 2005 1:12 PM EDT

Ah, isn't it great to buy wholesale?

NSFY September 9 2005 1:22 PM EDT

The prices we were paying before were the OPEC prices. Now everyone has a fair shot. Why is everyone afraid to find out what the true market prices are for things? Maybe because a lot of people are still hoarding stuff hoping to make some money. Boohoo! Better unload your corns fast - the store is spitting them out like crazy!

/kicks himself for buying a corn yesterday for 2.7M

LumpBot September 9 2005 1:25 PM EDT

NSFY, you're logic has a couple mistakes. If I sold 5 million computers to 7 million people, the price would be lower than if I sold only 2 million. Selling a bunch of something does not make it the "true" price, just a lower price because of lower demand. Auctions will continue to lower because everyone's money is going to Central Bank so no one will have money BUT auctions will continue.

Barron [CB2BANK Investors Club] September 9 2005 1:34 PM EDT

Basically, gone is the day of making a profit by selling items. If you want an item, save up and buy it from the auctioneer. The game has truly transformed to a fighting only for rewards game. No more "carnage seller", or "carnage camper".

QBsutekh137 September 9 2005 1:43 PM EDT


LumpBot September 9 2005 2:00 PM EDT

Yay? Oh yeah, it's so great that rares are so cheap now. Now we just have to push a weapon that automatically wins everytime because we all know the best games are ones where everything is handed to you.

NSFY September 9 2005 2:07 PM EDT

Do you think Jonathan can't or won't adjust the frequency at which rares spawn if he thinks there's a problem?

And you think all the money just disappeared in a week?

Go feed the horses and talk to your "girlfriend"

Myonax September 9 2005 2:12 PM EDT

Ah the youth has interesting perspectives on economies.

Shark September 9 2005 2:17 PM EDT

and yes the money will dry up as it nots being " re-cycled " any longer (v)oo(V)..so look for battle rewards to increase ...only way I see money getting back to the players

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] September 9 2005 6:12 PM EDT

Eventually Dawg will buy something from someone and the money will come back.

Wait ... what was the question?

Quark September 9 2005 6:17 PM EDT

I don't think so, Bast. Dawg is pumping his cash into the blacksmith to crank the bejeesus out of his stuff.

QBsutekh137 September 9 2005 7:28 PM EDT

Handed to you? Good grief. Do you have any concept of supply and demand? Rares are still rare. If not, then stop calling them rares, and complain that they aren't rare. If so, then the rares are still rare, and you will rarely find a low price on a rare that is, in fact, rare. Nothing handed to us, nothing lost. The game is still about fighting. I wonder why that is? Oh yeah, sorry, I cheated and looked at the caption on my browser. The game is called Carnage Blender.

I'll say it right now: I don't care if every single camper quits. BYE! What I grow weary of is the exaggeration of a non-story. Don't pull in the economy, and rares, and even say the game is _easier_ now (I assume that is what you meant by the "handed to you" comment. None of that has changed, so stop making stuff up. Yes, there is no more camping, so if you enjoyed camping, sucks to be you. That's it. End of story. Go away, or stay and stop making stuff up about how the game is doomed.

So, I'll say it again:


WeaponX September 9 2005 7:33 PM EDT

the average NUB makes around 250k a day assuming he/she buys BA now looking at prices that NUB could buy a BoNE in 5 days... sorry sutekh but your 100% wrong it is easier now

iceforge September 9 2005 7:42 PM EDT

Spaceman, your logic is flawed as well....

You use the example with selling 2 or 5 million computers to 7 million people.

But remember that Jonathan have not increased the amouth of rares, just changed the mehtod of getting them.

With true price, he is right, now we dont have people who buy up stocks from the stores by the means of camping, and hold them back until supply is low, hence abusing the demand-supply system you refer to.

He removes what many ticket companies would like to avoid, the middleman who buys up their supply and then waits until he can get much more for the tickets and sell it to the desperate.

Now the entire group who needs don't have to take the middlemans deal, they can be in the race, the middleman can't go in and just outbid on every item, as if he gets the item then, he will probarly not be able to sell it for more later, it would be a gamble to outbid stuff with the purpose of reselling it later on.

Which brings us the TRUE market price of items in CB

QBsutekh137 September 9 2005 8:31 PM EDT

Mega, thanks for pointing out the _multiple_ points that make it "easier". This discussion is not about the NUB. It is about prices. Even before, the NUB would have gotten a new player a BoNE quicker.

The NUB discussion is different, and as far as I have heard, it has kind of died down. Don't resurrect a dead horse so you can beat it (erroneously) on behalf of an entirely different issue.

[T]Vestax September 9 2005 8:44 PM EDT

The new user needs to get the rares sooner so that they can get the NW into them to make them up to par with what you people have. Remember it's always the entire life of CB squished into 4 months. I'm not saying it's right or it's wrong, but if you expect them to catch up then them buying rares sooner and sooner into the game isn't just correct, but necessary.

LumpBot September 9 2005 10:03 PM EDT

I'll right, I'll take on both of you in one post.

First off, when are YOU going to let go of camping? I said nothing about camping in my post. Eventually you attempting to use this against me is going to wear out. You cannot win an arguement by changing the subject. So stick to the point

Secondly, yes the supply has increased, now I hate to say this because I'll get bashed BUT campers only sold if a buyer was interested. Many campers bought things that they have still owned for weeks/months. Maybe the auctions should be like Black Market but much lower votes and everyone is qualified?

NSFY September 9 2005 10:38 PM EDT

Take us both on ?!?!? You aren't even equipped to take one of us on even if he is goofed up on tequila! (sute is a sot).

You were already on double secret probation for that whole oops my girlfriend accidentally chatted/typed on my account thing but now I am going to have to ignore you the old fashioned way. Hmmph!

uh hello Jonathan...sot is not in the spellchecker ?!?!

! Love Barney September 9 2005 10:46 PM EDT

"probarly" good one ice. . .

And spaceman is right. . .the auctioneer would sell rares for pennies and campers would hold out until they felt they had a decent offer. and that whole thing about stocks/bonds or whatever you said ice. . .makes perfect sense. people INVEST money to make profit. DUH!!

~oh its not fair boo hoo :'( ~

[T]Vestax September 9 2005 11:00 PM EDT

What you have done in say exactly the opposite of what was and is true in you last post. Before the system was that the people who got the item first were the campers who did NOT want the item at all. Just the money they would get for selling the item.

There is always some person in this game drooling over any of the rare items no matter how nerfed it is. To say it doesn't go to people who want it now is certainly a blatant lie or a complete distortion of the truth.

What you mean to say spaceman is that when camping was in place the item went to the person who wants it most AND who will buy it at a minimum price, which is set by you. This extra condition is there specifically to inflate the price to be higher then what it really is. They were not trying to outbid anyone but your own greed so you can't say it reflected market value at all.

AdminJonathan September 9 2005 11:03 PM EDT

It's interesting indeed to see how campers were, effectively, functioning as a cartel to increase prices.

Good change for CB.

QBsutekh137 September 9 2005 11:07 PM EDT

Point for Spaceman -- no, you didn't bring up camping, and I was using previous threads when I came up with that. So I do apologize for that.

NSFY, I don't do tequila. And actually, I am 100% sober at the moment. THE HORROR!

LumpBot September 9 2005 11:29 PM EDT

Vestax, actually I sold everything to the fastest offer. People chat mailed me saying, "Next time you camp this, I'll buy it first" As I sold a corn to Corath last week for 2.5 and the second latest sold for 2.7, I don't see myself or other campers as a cartel. Webjunkie also sold his rares for whatever was offered. I am merely stating that many campers sold intellegently, and not randomly.

As for Jonathan's remark on the cartel, we are guilty if selling an item when people want it. Then again, wouldn't that make all of us cartel?

NSFY September 9 2005 11:36 PM EDT

Yeah. I hate to be a nitpicker but...
when the person who was on double secret probation said "Oh yeah, it's so great that rares are so cheap now." he was implicitly saying camping was good, now it's gone and that is bad. This whole thread is about camping and the supposed terrible effect that getting rid of it is having.

Lick the salt and suck the lemon sute. Slam it!

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] September 9 2005 11:41 PM EDT

Lemon is for Corona, lime is for tequila. (provided one is indulging in bad tequila)

LumpBot September 9 2005 11:43 PM EDT

NSFY, try reading a tad more thoroughly. I even pointed out my sarcasm when I said rares were cheap. You can look up sarcasm if you don't understand it. I was always against the fact that the auctions took over camping. I honestly am very happy camping was deleted because I wasted way to much of my time on the computer. Go Jon, thank you! Now, I don't drink so please stop this tequilla crap.

QBRanger September 9 2005 11:43 PM EDT

Actually, I know of no one who uses lemon in Corona. Down here in FLA we use lime in Corona.

Undertow September 9 2005 11:45 PM EDT

Here in Chicago too.

QBsutekh137 September 9 2005 11:54 PM EDT

Yeah, Bast, it's lime for both.

Though a slice of lemon goes a long way toward making very bad beer palatable in a ncie frosty mug. Lemon is good for everything! CITRUS FOREVER!

NSFY September 9 2005 11:57 PM EDT

Gah! So if I say "Oh yeah, it's so great that rares are so cheap now." in a sarcastic manner, what does it actually mean?

It doesn't mean that I think it's great, cuz I was being sarcastic. Let's see...what DID it mean? Maybe that I think it is not good that rares are so cheap now. And that I think getting rid of camping was not good.

This is tedious. Please say something that isn't senseless and/or contradictory so I can let go.

Sorry guys, it was lemon where I grew up. I guess lime was too exotic for Erie.

LumpBot September 10 2005 12:03 AM EDT

What did I say that was contradictory? I think I'll just give up and wait for you to sober up and re-read my posts. You seem to be confused when I plainly spelled out my opinions. I don't care about camping, I just think the alternative has some rough edges, such as constant rares without knowledge of demand.

QBsutekh137 September 10 2005 1:11 AM EDT

Spaceman, assuming the campers eventually "saturate" to some extent in regards to hoarding, I don't get why you are saying rares are now "constant". It is the _same amount_. What part of that aren't people understanding? On average, that means the same number of rares are spreading throughout the population. All camper hoarding could do to that average is make the highs and lows of distribution more erratic.

Maybe your words aren't contradictory, but they certainly are confusing when you talk about "constant rares". It just doesn't make any sense.
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