Tank teams viable? (in General)
October 2 2005 1:44 AM EDT
- Without NUB
- Without USD
- Using only consistancy, buying all ba, and sheer grit
Are tank teams viable (given the above)? If so, how so? I'm up for any ideas, I just don't know what to do to keep from getting repeatedly passed up. Any thoughts are appreciated.
October 2 2005 1:47 AM EDT
My opinion would be No, tank teams are not viable without NUB, USD (quite a bit) or dedication. The equal level MPR teams around me would destroy my team were it not for big armor and weapons. Just look at the NW of some of the mages I fight and even occasionally draw against. Long term Mages will rule, especially those with FF tattoos.
October 2 2005 1:49 AM EDT
Not even viable with NUB. You can produce about 20-30mil tops through NUB. For tanks you have to pay to play.
October 2 2005 1:54 AM EDT
If you consider that BCS (Black Card Situation) while having quite a bit more MPR can kill my entire team in 3 ranged rounds with Tiny and his Fire Familiar, with my 550K+ AMF and 300K+ GA. Look at the NW difference and cost of upkeep of the teams. Mages are so cheap it is silly. But I am not complaining, I have chosen to go tank. I refuse to make this into Mage Blender just because it is easier.
October 2 2005 3:51 AM EDT
Not so much easier as it is more consistant. Is pumping USD into a sword somehow "harder?"
October 2 2005 4:19 AM EDT
Well i can run my tank team cuz i have a CB1 account that '''double'' my rewards.
I'm doing pretty well with my TETT IF team. It is super expensive though. Net Worth: $34,673,408 I didn't use any USD or buy BA, but I did have NUB. Only 97% if that makes a diff. Earlier I had TETM(coc)IF, but the mage sucked even with 150K coc. Does a lot more damage as a tank. Don't like FB because of the backlash.
October 2 2005 7:35 AM EDT
ET character here, no USD (apart from the names which i got through selling ingame money) no NUB either.
slowly working my way up.
October 2 2005 8:21 AM EDT
even with the nub tank teams would only reach a certain level without needing some USD to pump up the weapons but without the nub it would be even harder so my answer is no
October 2 2005 8:37 AM EDT
Just look at Spid.
no usd, no cb1, no nub.
It is viable.
October 2 2005 8:41 AM EDT
but is he on top? will he ever be? no
October 2 2005 8:45 AM EDT
The question was viable not dominant.
viable? sure: Spend a few hundred million and get yourself 400 AC :D
I used to camp on occasion to up the NW of my weapons and now that camping is gone I'll just have to gain NW slowly. I have never used USD however and if you look at the top tank team most have used it and a lot :cough:DAWG:cough: Even if you buy all your BA and miss few BA in a day there will some newbie who will do the same and pass you with their NUB. I get passed of by these eager newbies all the time and it doesn't bother me but then I don't always buy BA and most days miss a lot because of work so unless you plan on buying all BA and logging in every 3 1/2 hours so you don't miss any just except it and play for fun.
check Elven_Kings which is my Single Tank with a ToJ, they must be at least somewhat viable as I only play part-time and my score is almost always around 2x my pr (even more to MPR) I also have low NW equipment even when renting axbow/exbow.
Proof enough that this isn't purely Mage Blender when a mid-level Single Tank with little NW beats the snot out of most of the same level mages.
I think they're viable. I love my team Stalker. I won it in a giveaway from someone (sorry, forgot your name). I changed it from a ToE CoC mage to a ToE tank. Still single tank to this day, and loving it. Of course, I don't stand a chance against any large mages around or below my MPR, but I've grown used to that. My NW isn't even that great. Yet I beat on lots of teams.
October 6 2005 12:24 AM EDT
Thank you, Ranger. I was going to bring up Spid but I see you already did.
October 6 2005 12:51 AM EDT
I beat spid very quickly
October 6 2005 12:55 AM EDT
ok I don't beat him quickly. Thought I did. But I do beat spid.
I'm working on what I think is the most viable tank team (for killing mages without having a NW like dawg).
E - AMF/AS/small STR for Exbow use
E- AS/small STR for Exbow use
E- Haste/small STR for Exbow use wearing an RoS
T - All XP Trained into Str with Adam,SC,Tulks,CML,HoE,BoM
October 6 2005 12:56 AM EDT
The discussion has nothing to do with being able or not being able to beat Spid. Considering you run a mage team with NUB, I have no doubt that you're able to beat Spid with a fair amount of ease around the same MPR.
October 6 2005 12:57 AM EDT
is 130k mpr less than spid close enough?
October 6 2005 1:17 AM EDT
Novice, that EEET team you are thinking of is just like my team "Burton" in CB1.
Its a good strat, let's you fight up high for good rewards :P
My Skucum is doing alright. I don't fight much but I've made it up to Score / PR / MPR: 157,386 / 73,110 / 60,268
*shrug* Playing a mage is probably a faster way up the ladder but I don't care. Maybe if I get really bored of Skucum I'll play my lowbie mage Top Hat for a while
October 6 2005 11:39 AM EDT
meh, my tank team fights higher than my single FB/FF team did. Kills mages pretty well, too. Working on the DX to take out ToA teams...if I can do that, I'm pretty well set for a while. Hasn't required a single USD yet, either.
October 6 2005 11:42 AM EDT
just inspect my character, it isn't a single tank but still a tank based team. doing quite nice :)
October 6 2005 11:57 AM EDT
And I quote, "The discussion has nothing to do with being able or not being able to beat Spid."
October 6 2005 12:32 PM EDT
Spid is merely an example of a viable team that does well using a tank with moderate net worth. That is all.
Without a Brain, you will do very well against anyone without DM. AS/GA seems more powerful than ever. I lose to teams like that all the time and I am pure mage. Look at Czech Forger -- I cannot beat that character even in multiple tries, and we are the same total PR.
Sort of off-thread, and maybe I missed a changelog, but with the advent of DM, did Jon buff AS and GA? The passive damage teams seem virtually unstoppable without using DM here on CB2...?
October 6 2005 12:48 PM EDT
no, I didn't buff them
except that having a familiar is sort of an indirect buff to AS
October 6 2005 1:07 PM EDT
Having a familiar is also an indirect buff for GA, since a familiar can also take on damage, and reflect it. ;)
October 6 2005 1:13 PM EDT
well.. i'm running a solo tank something i thought was very dead. it is working well though.
My cousin is running a single heavy tank (Five Iron Frenzy) he says he is fighting above his PR, and finding it quite nifty.
in the long run tanks will still beat Mages.
What ever mage strat you use and no matter how many shields you give them, I can take you out in ranged with Seekers, and then take my time beating all of your shields.
That is why I switched from WEET w/FF to EEET w/ToA I can spread out your DD damage, but I couldn't stop seekers.
Also with a ToA tank, there is much more flexibility, at least I think so.
October 6 2005 2:25 PM EDT
Yes, but if you use an elbow with seekers, you're vulnerable to the Axbow tank. So you may be able to beat all the mages, but you probably won't be able to beat all the tanks.
Fifty one way, half-dozen the other.
October 6 2005 2:38 PM EDT
I have an EEET setup and it works quite well. My score is always atleast 2x my PR. My NW isn't high for my MPR either. So, tanks are still viable, it just depends on the setup you use.
October 6 2005 2:43 PM EDT
Well planned tank teams will beat out mages at the top tier because they can leverage NW investments far more effectively than mages.
So perhaps a slightly different question is in order.
"Are tank teams a viable way to get near the top of the ladder or are you better off going mage then switching when you get near the top?"
October 6 2005 7:33 PM EDT
what do people consider to be a "viable" score/pr ratio?
anything over 2? it seems that pretty much everyone who fights regularly can manage that or at least very close... so when we talk about "viable" teams do we mean teams that are average or teams that go above and beyond the competition?
October 6 2005 7:36 PM EDT
759,695 / 374,607 / 250,729 I consider this to be a viable ratio for an E/T team.
There are ways to beat Axbow ToA tanks with an Elb ToA Tank. Right Glory? ;)
October 6 2005 9:59 PM EDT
Glory use a axbow
October 7 2005 12:36 AM EDT
Heh, Mikel is right he occasionally gets draws against me. However give me another 100K MPR and we will see if the ELB is still viable against me. :)
All that talk about beating spid brings back memories of CB1...=p
I see that EEET teams are becoming popular again. Its taken a while, but I think teams like that will be taking up the top spots in the near future. Provided a greater amount of inflation, perhaps even faster!
CB2 is starting to become a whole lot like CB1...The advent of mage blender will surely be the end of the FB mage and the birth of the crazy NW single archer tanks...=)
October 7 2005 2:44 AM EDT
Archery is not a option anymore the nerf was way too steep and was not needed to start with.Ranger sefton dawg glory mikel jayuu are winning with there NW not with a special strat that none can beat.
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