An Enforcer's Crossbow [4x35] (+36) owned by AgentAia (The Mushies) equiped by Amit

My ST: 175,000 (I removed my ToA for testing)

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VS The Mushies:

Amit shot Melkor [2544]
Melkor looks weaker!

ST after battle: 149,107

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VS The Mushies:

Amit hit Melkor [2952]
Melkor looks weaker!

Amit hit Melkor [3235]
Melkor looks weaker!

ST after battle: 125,932

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ST reduction 1st hit: 25893
ST reduction 2nd hit: 23175

If the x35 Exbow would lower the ST with 1/3% per X (+amount per X)
then my ST would be lowered with 35/3 = 11 2/3% per hit

which would be:
1st hit: 20416.67 ST reduced
2nd hit: 17396.82 ST reduced

which leaves:
1st hit: 25893 - 20416.67 = 5476.33 ST reduced by fixed amount
2nd hit: 23175 - 17395.82 = 5779.18 ST reduced by fixed amount

5476.33 / 35 = 156 per X
5779.18 / 35 = 165 per X

im a bit clueless as to what is and isn't possible but:

before the changes the Exbow/Axbow had a fixed 1/4% ST/DX reducing per X
after the changes their powers were buffed (most likely to 1/3% per X) and they got a fixed amount of drain also based on the X
read also This changelog thread

Some other test results:

The xbow of Rohan [4x30] (+51) owned by markxe (Jochumia) equipped by Rodgerzee | NAMED = 3% bonus |

ST before battle: 175,000

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VS Jochumia:

Rodgerzee shot Melkor with The xbow of Rohan [1531]
Melkor looks weaker!

ST after battle: 151,497

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VS Jochumia:

Rodgerzee shot Melkor with The xbow of Rohan [2145]
Melkor looks weaker!

Rodgerzee shot Melkor with The xbow of Rohan [2233]
Melkor looks weaker!

ST after battle: 130,226

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and something else which is quite a find perhaps:

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VS: freed

Magic Eater skewered Ungoliant with This was an Exbow now its an Ex-Bow [7148]
Ungoliant looks weaker!

Reason: Seeker Bolts Equipped <<<<<<<<<<<<<

ST before: 20
ST after: -35,180

Ive been doing some exhaustive testing against TMDoc's char which weilds an exbow [4x34] (+28):

I ran the fight against it many times to ensure consistancy of results and to gather data on 1, 2 and 3 hits.

My initial strength: 66,000
1 hit:               40,000
2 hits:              19,200
3 hits:               2,560

Then I removed my HoE to reduce my ST some and to get more results:

Initial: 60,000
1 hit:   35,200
2 hits:  15,360
3 hits:    -640

Working out the damage removed each time and using an iterative process I came up with the following formula to describe the damage reduction:

New ST = (Old ST - 20%) - 12,800

IF Shade is right about the 0.333% drain per X then that would make the Exbow x34 have a drain of 11.333%.

This is quite far away from the 20% I calculated so perhaps there is a base drain of 8.666% on every bow?
[8.666 + 11.333 = 20]

Fighting against Shade:
Named exbow [4x45] (+60) giving an effective [4x47] (+62) at 3% naming increase for weapons...

HoE on:
Initial ST: 100,800
1 hit:       77,850
2 hits:      40,668  ||  26,437
3 hits:      13,919  ||   3,531
4 hits:       3,091  ||  -7,393   ||  -18,069


HoE off:
Initial ST:  90,000
1 hit:       68,508
2 hits:      34,242  ||   20,682
3 hits:      20,277  ||    9,228  ||    8,941  ||  -918
4 hits:     -12,372  ||  -22,518

I'll try to take another look at these results later....

trying to fit

New ST = (Old ST - 20%) - 12,800

with my exbow (without counting the named bonus) would give something like this:


x45 would make some 26,47% ST reducing
and X45 would make some 16941,17 ST points reducing

some thoughts about the first battles posted here:

ST: 175,000
ST after 1 hit: 149,107
ST after 2 hits: 125,932

X35 Exbow used

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ST reduction 1st hit: 25893
ST reduction 2nd hit: 23175

first hit has a 14.796% ST reduction
second his has a 15.543% reduction


Seeing that those percentages are different there HAS to be a fixed factor in the reduction:

if the Exbow would have a 1/3% per X ST reduction then for X35 this would be: 11 2/3% (11.666667%)

So then it would be 11.667% + 3.129% ST reduction for first hit
And a 11.667% + 3.876% ST reduction for second hit

3.129% of 175,000 ST = 5476 ST
3.876% of 149,107 St = 5780 ST

Those 2 numbers are almost the same as I found earlier (doesn't have to mean anything because I just approached it differently)

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Applying these things to battles will made against TMDoc's char which wields an exbow [4x34] (+28):

Initial strength: 66,000
1 hit: 40,000
2 hits: 19,200
3 hits: 2,560

x34 would have 11.333% ST reduction and ~5304 static reduction in first hit

this would make 66000 ST go to 53216 ST, which would be too high if the tested value is 40,000.

perhaps the fixed value should be higher?

bit stuck now so ending this post again, will think about it some more while eating...

Maybe the best thing to do would be get an Exbow at x1 and set a test up to hit a 20Str character. Record the approximate amlount of direct reduction taken (it won't reduce after the first hit) then up the bow by another X. Try to figure out how much the direct reduction is, then it should be easy to figure the percentage part.

:)

a minion having 20 ST won't have it's ST lowered by exbow i think

And another thing:

Record the approximate amount of direct reduction taken (it won't reduce after the first hit) then up the bow by another X. Try to figure out how much the direct reduction is, then it should be easy to figure the percentage part.


we have several Exbows with different X values that we could compare...
also i think that the direct reduction is also tied to the X value, and it wont trigger if the target has a ST of 20 [Edit: minion with 20 ST DOES have it's ST reduced]

Finally something short of a breakthrough:

Below is the excel table that I constructed by attacking people with an
Exbow equipped with a character of mine which only had 1 minion with 20 ST.

Those characters were characters that:
- Didn't have Ethereal Chains
- Had the Exbow to be the only thing dealing damage (to make me survive with a puny minion)

I recorded the stats of the Exbows and that of the attacks I received, as well as how much my ST got lowered.
I found out that with 20 ST the % factor of the Exbow ST drain does nothing.
So the only drain available would be the one from the non percentage-factor.

Will your point in saying that your exbow was an effective x47+62 is incorrect making your thought rather void.

Weapon naming grants an extra 3% to damage, not stats. so if you normally do 100,000 damage you would actually do 103,000. You would not do the same average damage as well as extra accuracy as if the levels had been raised 3%.

"Naming a weapon increases both damage and to-hit by 3%. This bonus is not displayed; it is only applied during battle."

Its my understanding that this means the bonus is applied to the Damage modifier and the Plus-To-Hit modifer, not just the damage done.

Will's understanding (read, the ability to read and understand what was read) is correct.

It is fairly blunt as to how it works and states that PTH and Damage are increased by %3.