How does GA actually work? (in General)

As far as I know, GA returns up to 50% of its level for each hit a minion takes, based on it's size compared to the amount of damage taken that hit.

For some reason I thought GA returned up to 50% of the damage taken, but I'm sure this is wrong.

It's more than 50% I'm sure. In old CB1, when you could see its casting effect, I remember having like .70. Of course, that was reduced when Jon removed the chance to cast. But it should still be close to that on max damage return.

And it deals around that percent back when you're damaged. But if you take a lot of damage, it doesn't return as much unless its level is high enough. Not sure what the rule of thumb is on an appropriate level for it- perhaps equal to the largest hits you take in combat? (ie: get hit for 100k, train to 100k?)

Not sure if I actually added anything there, or just restated what you said. Good luck finding it out though.

It works like this:

GA retaliates with 53% of total dmg

But there is a catch:
So in the first round or so let's say that you have 500k hp, enemy does 200k dmg, and if your ga is at 200k you will be able to retaliate with 106k dmg (53% of 200k dmg)

now if your hp falls low enough, your ga will only retaliate with amount of life you have left in that round, mainly the concern is of the last round of combat where your minion is alive but will be dead after that hit.

so if you have 50k hp left and a ga of 200k, enemy attacks you with 200k dmg, you will only be able to retaliate with 50k because that is how much hp you have left.

It will deal up 60% of the HP you remove from opponents when attacking back at you, reduced by armor (physical), ToE, protection I guess..

No the number is 53%

Right. I originally thought GA returns a percentage of the damage you take.

But I now think it returns a perentage of it's level *as* damage to your attacker.

Can anyone post some results?

WOOF hit PowerGenerator1 with Water Pistol [32311] PowerGenerator1's Guardian Angel smote WOOF (14545) WOOF hit PowerGenerator1 with Water Pistol [25028] PowerGenerator1's Guardian Angel smote WOOF (11654) WOOF hit PowerGenerator1 with Water Pistol [33006] PowerGenerator1's Guardian Angel smote WOOF (15432) WOOF shot PowerGenerator1 with Water Pistol [26165] PowerGenerator1's Guardian Angel smote WOOF (11771) WOOF shot PowerGenerator1 with Water Pistol [37279] PowerGenerator1's Guardian Angel smote WOOF (17254) DAWG struck deep into PowerGenerator1 with Cú-Dûr [219849] PowerGenerator1's Guardian Angel smote DAWG (93124) DAWG skewered PowerGenerator1 with Cú-Dûr [259366] DAWG struck deep into PowerGenerator1 with Cú-Dûr [229585]

Brainless: are those measurements with or without any form of protection?

- AC from armor
- Protection trained
- ToE

??


If not then your measurements are somewhat worthless ;)

Also, what level is your GA?

Look it is very simple, the formula is that it is 53% of dmg.

So if I had enough ga and someone did 100k dmg to me I would retaliate with 53k dmg, then dmg reduction stuff would apply so it would drop down even less.

53% is the amount you will do in dmg to your opponent if they have nothing to reduce ga with.

It is a proven fact.

And before the bloodlust change, it used to be that ga would deal 73% to BL users.

Sorry WAB, you're wrong.

So was I.

Doing a very quick test with the (unknowing :P) help of Mr C. two fights and 4 results later;

FB Damage GA return GA%
[3929] (2357) 59.99%
[3879] (2327) 59.99%
[3728] (2236) 59.98%
[5895] (3537) 60%

So at max, GA returns 60% of the damage done to you.

My GA is 30,00 for this test, I don't know the size of Mr C's FB, but it was effected by a 53% AMF reduction before damage.

Mr C also had no armour, endurance or protection to throw out the returned damage figures.

Hi all, a theological discussion, not aimed at any one religion.

What is a Guardian Angel? Do we have one, and if we do what relevance does it hold?

Cheeky! You want a slap? :P

To answer your questions;

1) Guardian Angel is an ED
2) If you train it you have one. Talhearn Does.
3) It returns up to 60% of the damage you take on each hit, to the attacker.
4) Use the Wiki!

:P

Perhaps this GA data should be included in the Wiki.

My religion doesn't believe in GA since it only takes a puny DM to get rid of it.

Brandon GA with AS AS and an RoS to protect it does more damage than you need to kill fb mages.

That's not what Krom says! Have you not met the God of Steel from Conan the Barbarian?!

sounds like your religion needs a Rune of Solitude as its new religious text, Brandon. =P

But Krom is a god of steel, not some puny stones!

"Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, and why we died. All that matters is that today, two stood against many. Valor pleases you, so grant me this one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, the HELL with you!"

Ranger knows all about GA ask him, and check this post out.
Ranger Explains GA

Dawg, that seems wrong. From the number I got, GA returns a percentage of the damage done to you, not your GA level.

So GA will hit for 53% of its level, the damage done to you, or your hp, whichever is lowest... right?

Yes, except according to GL's numbers above, the number appears to be 60%. It is rare so see such close-to-integer numbers when testing, so I am led to believe the 60% is correct.

Not 53% of it's level.

60% of the damage done to you. (If your GA is high enough)

Re: 60% of GA level?
I did tests with a low-level GA (just under 10K) versus a range of damage from 400 to 20K, done to a minion that has well over 150K HP.

For damage exceeding 20K dealt to my Minions, GA dealt 0 damage every time.The results confirmed the 60% number (AC/Endurance/Prot notwithstanding) when the damage was equal to or less than my GA level. However, for damage above my GA level, it was not a fixed 53 or 60 percent of its level, rather, it was (approximately) 60% of GA level, reduced relative to the excess damage; in other words, I theorize

[if target's HP < DMG, substitute target HP for DMG in these formulas]
if DMG <= GA, returned damage is DMG * 0.6
if 2*GA > DMG > GA, returned damage is ((2*GA)-DMG) * 0.6
if DMG >= 2*GA, returned damage is 0.

Of course my numbers weren't right on, because my opponents use damage reduction, but according to my estimates, that's the math.

GA loses efictiveness when it is low compared to the damage you take.