How does GA actually work? (in General)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] October 13 2005 3:35 AM EDT

As far as I know, GA returns up to 50% of its level for each hit a minion takes, based on it's size compared to the amount of damage taken that hit.

For some reason I thought GA returned up to 50% of the damage taken, but I'm sure this is wrong.

Vaynard [Fees Dirt Cheap] October 13 2005 4:29 AM EDT

It's more than 50% I'm sure. In old CB1, when you could see its casting effect, I remember having like .70. Of course, that was reduced when Jon removed the chance to cast. But it should still be close to that on max damage return.

And it deals around that percent back when you're damaged. But if you take a lot of damage, it doesn't return as much unless its level is high enough. Not sure what the rule of thumb is on an appropriate level for it- perhaps equal to the largest hits you take in combat? (ie: get hit for 100k, train to 100k?)

Not sure if I actually added anything there, or just restated what you said. Good luck finding it out though.

Grim Reaper October 13 2005 4:39 AM EDT

It works like this:

GA retaliates with 53% of total dmg

But there is a catch:
So in the first round or so let's say that you have 500k hp, enemy does 200k dmg, and if your ga is at 200k you will be able to retaliate with 106k dmg (53% of 200k dmg)

now if your hp falls low enough, your ga will only retaliate with amount of life you have left in that round, mainly the concern is of the last round of combat where your minion is alive but will be dead after that hit.

so if you have 50k hp left and a ga of 200k, enemy attacks you with 200k dmg, you will only be able to retaliate with 50k because that is how much hp you have left.

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] October 13 2005 4:51 AM EDT

It will deal up 60% of the HP you remove from opponents when attacking back at you, reduced by armor (physical), ToE, protection I guess..

Grim Reaper October 13 2005 4:56 AM EDT

No the number is 53%

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] October 13 2005 5:08 AM EDT

Right. I originally thought GA returns a percentage of the damage you take.

But I now think it returns a perentage of it's level *as* damage to your attacker.

Can anyone post some results?

Grim Reaper October 13 2005 5:44 AM EDT

WOOF hit PowerGenerator1 with Water Pistol [32311] PowerGenerator1's Guardian Angel smote WOOF (14545) WOOF hit PowerGenerator1 with Water Pistol [25028] PowerGenerator1's Guardian Angel smote WOOF (11654) WOOF hit PowerGenerator1 with Water Pistol [33006] PowerGenerator1's Guardian Angel smote WOOF (15432) WOOF shot PowerGenerator1 with Water Pistol [26165] PowerGenerator1's Guardian Angel smote WOOF (11771) WOOF shot PowerGenerator1 with Water Pistol [37279] PowerGenerator1's Guardian Angel smote WOOF (17254) DAWG struck deep into PowerGenerator1 with Cú-Dûr [219849] PowerGenerator1's Guardian Angel smote DAWG (93124) DAWG skewered PowerGenerator1 with Cú-Dûr [259366] DAWG struck deep into PowerGenerator1 with Cú-Dûr [229585]

AdminShade October 13 2005 5:53 AM EDT

Brainless: are those measurements with or without any form of protection?

- AC from armor
- Protection trained
- ToE


If not then your measurements are somewhat worthless ;)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] October 13 2005 5:54 AM EDT

Also, what level is your GA?

Grim Reaper October 13 2005 6:18 AM EDT

Look it is very simple, the formula is that it is 53% of dmg.

So if I had enough ga and someone did 100k dmg to me I would retaliate with 53k dmg, then dmg reduction stuff would apply so it would drop down even less.

53% is the amount you will do in dmg to your opponent if they have nothing to reduce ga with.

It is a proven fact.

And before the bloodlust change, it used to be that ga would deal 73% to BL users.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] October 13 2005 6:31 AM EDT

Sorry WAB, you're wrong.

So was I.

Doing a very quick test with the (unknowing :P) help of Mr C. two fights and 4 results later;

FB Damage GA return GA%
[3929] (2357) 59.99%
[3879] (2327) 59.99%
[3728] (2236) 59.98%
[5895] (3537) 60%

So at max, GA returns 60% of the damage done to you.

My GA is 30,00 for this test, I don't know the size of Mr C's FB, but it was effected by a 53% AMF reduction before damage.

Mr C also had no armour, endurance or protection to throw out the returned damage figures.

QBJohnnywas October 13 2005 6:37 AM EDT

Hi all, a theological discussion, not aimed at any one religion.

What is a Guardian Angel? Do we have one, and if we do what relevance does it hold?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] October 13 2005 6:42 AM EDT

Cheeky! You want a slap? :P

To answer your questions;

1) Guardian Angel is an ED
2) If you train it you have one. Talhearn Does.
3) It returns up to 60% of the damage you take on each hit, to the attacker.
4) Use the Wiki!


AdminNightStrike October 13 2005 11:14 PM EDT

Perhaps this GA data should be included in the Wiki.

BrandonLP October 13 2005 11:17 PM EDT

My religion doesn't believe in GA since it only takes a puny DM to get rid of it.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] October 13 2005 11:46 PM EDT

Brandon GA with AS AS and an RoS to protect it does more damage than you need to kill fb mages.

BrandonLP October 13 2005 11:50 PM EDT

That's not what Krom says! Have you not met the God of Steel from Conan the Barbarian?!

QBOddBird October 13 2005 11:51 PM EDT

sounds like your religion needs a Rune of Solitude as its new religious text, Brandon. =P

BrandonLP October 14 2005 12:14 AM EDT

But Krom is a god of steel, not some puny stones!

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] October 14 2005 2:59 AM EDT

"Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, and why we died. All that matters is that today, two stood against many. Valor pleases you, so grant me this one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, the HELL with you!"

DAWG October 14 2005 5:38 AM EDT

Ranger knows all about GA ask him, and check this post out.
Ranger Explains GA

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] October 14 2005 5:59 AM EDT

Dawg, that seems wrong. From the number I got, GA returns a percentage of the damage done to you, not your GA level.

AdminNightStrike October 14 2005 11:12 AM EDT

So GA will hit for 53% of its level, the damage done to you, or your hp, whichever is lowest... right?

QBsutekh137 October 14 2005 11:26 AM EDT

Yes, except according to GL's numbers above, the number appears to be 60%. It is rare so see such close-to-integer numbers when testing, so I am led to believe the 60% is correct.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] October 14 2005 3:00 PM EDT

Not 53% of it's level.

60% of the damage done to you. (If your GA is high enough)

chernobyl October 15 2005 6:31 PM EDT

Re: 60% of GA level?
I did tests with a low-level GA (just under 10K) versus a range of damage from 400 to 20K, done to a minion that has well over 150K HP.

For damage exceeding 20K dealt to my Minions, GA dealt 0 damage every time.The results confirmed the 60% number (AC/Endurance/Prot notwithstanding) when the damage was equal to or less than my GA level. However, for damage above my GA level, it was not a fixed 53 or 60 percent of its level, rather, it was (approximately) 60% of GA level, reduced relative to the excess damage; in other words, I theorize

[if target's HP < DMG, substitute target HP for DMG in these formulas]
if DMG <= GA, returned damage is DMG * 0.6
if 2*GA > DMG > GA, returned damage is ((2*GA)-DMG) * 0.6
if DMG >= 2*GA, returned damage is 0.

Of course my numbers weren't right on, because my opponents use damage reduction, but according to my estimates, that's the math.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] October 15 2005 6:45 PM EDT

GA loses efictiveness when it is low compared to the damage you take.
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