Farewell ! (in Public Record)

Hello all! Well, there are probably more then a few of you reading this that will wonder "Who the heck is this BCMoto anyway?" LOL: no wonder, since I very, very rarely was ever active in "chat" here in CB2. (More about this later...) The biggest reason though, was because I was always devoted to playing and talking to people on CB1 rather then here on CB2.

I wanted to say farewell to some really special people that I know, and I already know that some will be disappointed in me and maybe for what I have to say as well. Because of this, I was simply going to sell my items, etc. and slip off 'un-noticed'. But after playing with and knowing these people for over a year and 1/2 - well - it just didn't seem very honorable.

First, I would like to address this whole thing about CB1, those of us who stayed playing it, and why (at least myself) some of us are upset with the way it "went away". It was always fascinating to me how there were so many people that were so mystified and concerned about those of us who stayed and continued playing CB1. I suppose the best way I could explain my preference of CB1 over CB2 was that quite simply - I enjoyed it more! I enjoyed the game, the people there and it's simplicity of play. I suppose, to draw an analogy would be to look at people that enjoy "old cars" that they consider "classics". Sure, newer and more modern cars have all the bells and whistles like GPS, heated seats, integrated cell phones, etc and simply are more fuel efficient, safer and just doggone safer and 'better' all around! But: tell that to a guy that enjoys a nice '52 Chevy Bel-Air with a built 327, three speed Hurst crunch box... well, for those of you who know about old cars... you get the idea.

So I guess what I am saying to the many people that would drop into CB1 and "rain on our parade" by telling us how horrible CB1 was and how wonderful CB2 was - maybe you'll never "get it" or understand. I found it distasteful when people, including admins and chat-ops from CB2 would seem to 'revel' in making 'doomsday' posts in CB1. Additionally distasteful was having to see posts in CB1 forums that ridiculed our wisdom in staying and playing CB1. As for myself - although I never particularly liked playing CB2 as compared to CB1, I don't recall every making posts over on CB2 ridiculing it or the people and their reasons for wanting to play it.

Yes, towards the end there were fewer and fewer people over on CB1. This was really pleasant for me personally. One of the biggest things I used to notice when first playing CB1 (and I routinely see this happen on CB2): is that some people simply cannot stay off other peoples forum posts. I do not respect people that "elevate their own image" at the expense of others. Pointing out peoples mistakes, spelling, language, etc I suppose is a very easy and "non-personal" thing to do in cyberspace. Being sarcastic, short and belittling was something that I always hated seeing - and there was always a share of general members, admins and chat-ops that would fit this mold. I know there are a lot of really fine, helpful and genuine people out there - I acknowledge that. Towards the end of CB1 - it was really kind of nice - it seemed the only 'negative' posts we would get was when 'new' people would stop in and make inflammatory posts or additions whenever one of the regular members would start 'rattling' the cage again to do something about trying to save CB1. Other then that - we were a very small, but very happy group of people. (I suppose 170 players is not THAT small though...)

So again, I preferred the simplicity of CB1 over CB, and I also preferred the levels of overall 'humility' and 'respect' that existed there as opposed to here on CB2. I prefer to keep my 'cyberspace' image with a 'best foot forward' - since personalities and 'real life' knowledge of another person is so limited and mysterious (Lamuness for example!). So, I have a deep appreciation of honor, respect, and self image. It is because of my job life experiences that shapes my view of this, and I can assure all of you that I have seen more personal tragedies and life changing scenes in ONE YEAR than many of you will ever see in your lifetime.

Did I expect CB1 to survive forever? Of course not. However - I will again say that the manner and the way it was 'let go' was in very, very poor form. I know that many of us have been and will always be fearful of 'tugging on Superman's cape' by saying anything negative about Jonathan. But I feel justified in pointing out that he never adequately addressed any reasons other than: "...the cons outweighed the pros..." in keeping CB1 around. Additionally, letting it 'go' in the manner that he did was in my opinion - in very poor taste. His responses to any questions or concerns about CB1 for the past year have been sparse and whenever he would respond - the responses were 'curt' and impersonal.

Again, I suppose it is the 'cyberspace' way of dealing with the 'masses'...but it's something I cannot abide by nor agree with. Personally, I felt we were owed a bit more courtesy then what was given. (Although I believe I saw a very short "apology" from Jon regarding how this whole thing went down).

For those of you who will want to point out all the very long hours and time that Jon spends laboring over keeping Carnage Blender going - please don't. I acknowledge that he probably does spend a tremendous amount of energy, creativity and time towards this game (CB2). However, the lack of seeing ANY of this for the past year in CB1 was obvious – and to think he spent a lot of time working on CB1 - well, just doesn't "wash" for me.

I leave CB2 for this final reason - sure, I know I can easily stay if I wanted to. But I personally feel that buying of a supportership item, or naming an item, etc would in essence validate my support of Jon and this game. I do not personally wish to do this any longer.

I will honestly miss some really nice people that I have met - and I bow and apologize to those people and ask that they understand and forgive me for leaving. LOL: I know that my presence is not really all that important though...it's similar to putting your finger in a glass of water and pulling it out. Look into the glass - what do you see? (Heh - about the same as when you see me leave!)

So I bid a farewell to some extra special people that I will think and always care about: Pitspawn, Slayer (Slaber?), Lammy, Sefton, Wldflr, Freed, Z-man, Intox, Chadder, Jayuu (Mr. 8 mil!), Dynomite, Ranger, Tequito, KPDesperado, Tempist, Max, King2Key, BooDiggity, LadyDi, Staned, Killah. There were many others - but it's late and I am old and have a crappy memory - so my apologies to those that I am missing! I tip my hat to you all - I light a book of matches under Slayers shoe and toss strawberry cream pies at everyone on my way out. Last - I leave you guys with one of my favorite messages for you to enjoy:

May the road rise to meet you,
May the wind be always at your back,
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
The rains fall soft upon your fields and,
Until we meet again,
May God hold you in the palm of His hand.

Hm: I have no idea where those "A's" came from....oh well....I think you'll still be able to read this............

It's been nice knowing you BC, good luck

I've said it before but I'll say it again - its a very sad day for Carnage Blender. Moto - you will always be part of this game even though you are gone from it.

May your life give you and your family everything you want from it.

:--------------}

Thanks for everything BCMoto. You have certainly made your mark in my life. Good Luck. And thanks for mentioning me in your post :)

It is a sad day when the Hardcore CB1 players leave, never to return, and walk off into the horizon. There will never be anyone that can replace you BCMoto. Good luck in all your endevours and may God smile on your path and keep you safe from harm.

We'll miss you over here, and I won't forget you. You better keep in touch at least through e-mail but preferably MSN. *hugs*

/tips hat off to BcMoto

one of the few remaining gentlemen left in cyberspace.. you'll be misssed my friend..go japan and usa in the world cup..^_^

I'm sorry to hear you're leaving. I hope you do well. Always remember you are welcome on any CB, and if time lessens the resentment you feel at the loss of CB1, come back to CB2. It's not perfect, but neither was CB1, and learning to live with its imperfections makes it all the more endearing. Best of luck.

Hey I'm not on your list of special people :p

j/k I'm one of the many others :)

Too bad people are leaving, but it's all because of the horrible thing called life :)

Take care and miss us!

It's a sad day indeed. It's because of you and others like you that I stayed on CB1 until the bitter end. I enjoyed the challenge of competing against you, and even more, the camaraderie of fighting alongside you in our clan. You were a leader in the community that we all loved and one of the greatest CB'ers ever. I feel honored to have played the game with you. trigun summed it up well when he called you "one of the few remaining gentlemen left in cyberspace".

I wish you and yours all the best life has to offer. You deserve it.
You will be missed, my friend.

/me bows to Moto and gives him a manly hug.

You will be extremely missed here, and I'm sorry i didnt pay enough of my time on cb1 lately, cuz i really love"d" the people there as well. I Loved signing on and hearing "Hello's" from everyone active and the funny convos everyone brought up. Here, yea, you're lucky to get 2 "Hello's" and to have people talking period...lol.

Nobody will ever replace you Moto, i just hope you'll come back to chat so there can still be some more "Hello Moto's".

Farewell Good Friend.

Moto you just sum up the why I feel about all this.
Good bye and hold the door I'm right behind you.

Dear BC,
You have been my best friend, my stand-in Dad, my comedian, my confidant, my flirting buddy, and my hero. Simple words will never be able to express my admiration and love for you.

BC, I am sad to see you go. As expressed by many, I hope to still hear from you! You are gentleman and a scholar. You have my deepest respect. I wish nothing but the greatest fortune for you and your family.

The sun sets again
A man passes from our sight
Journey well hero

Yo Moto...

You've always had my respect and admiration!

The level of arrogance we have seen displayed from the creator and so called leaders of CB2 is appalling. I too was dismayed when seeing those from CB2 come to CB1 for no other reason than to amuse themselves at our expense.

What I said in an earlier post "It's hard to know where you are going when you've forgotten where you've come from" rings so true.

History has a way of repeating itself, I hope that CB2 players remember these days when its their turn....

Best wishes Moto!


Hold that door

:*(

You are gentleman and a scholar no matter what me actually say about you ;)

Good-bye.

As promised moto...i will post on your goodbye post. I think that you just may be my favorite person. We havent talked all that much but from talking to you the few times i have i see that you are an incredible human being. I hope i was one of the few others that your crappy memory couldnt scrounge up :-p. Goodbye moto...your a hero(on here and to the many you help in your job everyday)

Moto - you were one of the handful of people who kept me on CB1 to the end. This game won't be the same for us CB1ers without you. Good-bye and good luck in real life, Moto.

BCMoto, we salute you. Farewell.

Thanks for creating a a team that was essentially unbeatable, and fighting it till the end. I think the closest thing we'll get from Jon to a sorry is his admission that he "misspoke" when he said he's keep cb1 open till a handful of people were playing...

I could turn this post into a book, but I'll just be as blunt as possible about it: There will never be another BCMoto to grace cb's presence. There will be those who are similar, but what Moto brought to the table will never be duplicated. I had the privilege of clanning with Moto, and his ability to compete at a high level without putting himself on a pedestal is a rare gift that isn't seen in many competitive arenas anymore, whether it be sports, or internet games like this one.

Not only did he stay humble, but he made sure to treat everyone as an equal. EVERYONE. I can be guilty of judging people, but it seems like Moto gave everyone the same respect as long as they weren't doing anything too extreme. And even then, he would take a very analytical respectful approach, never getting personal and attacking the person, but simply the situation at hand.

And that is what makes this so sad. I knew he was leaving, and it saddened me, but reading the post really made me think about my current plans. I didn't think I'd be leaving, but as I have the exact same feelings about this as Moto does, I do not know whether I would want to support the game. So once my debt to Jayuu is paid in full, I may be in the same boat.

I'll miss you BC, hope to keep in touch via e-mail. You've truly touched the lives of many by simply being a stand-up guy, and we all could learn a lot from your example.

Instead of crying about how much you are going to miss cb1, why don't you people dedicate the same amount of time, energy and passion to CB2 and bring this one up to your standards? With the NCB in place, you should be able to challenge the top players in no time. That is, if your "superior knowledge" is better than everyone else's.

Otherwise, I'll hold the door open for you all as you are leaving, cause you aren't contributing in any way to this game other than clogging up our forums with your "fare thee well's" that mean nothing to the majority of the players on CB2.

This is not meant as a disrespect to BCM (I don't know him), but it's about time you CB1'ers put up or shut up.

And you are precisely why most of us have no desire to be part of this 'community'

"This is not meant as a disrespect to BCM...."

Balderdash. If you don't mean disrespect, then silence on your part would have been an appropriate response to the original poster.

Mikel most of the time your opinion has some validity, here however you don't have the knowlegde of who BC is and what he did...

Clogging up the forums making all you cb2 nuts jelous? Tired of watching people mourn a real game that inspired the dedication en mass that cb2 lacks. Since you refuse to honor yourselves in competition (as if cb2 was any sort of competition), at least honor yourself by leaving us alone...

Mikel, if you truly think that BCMoto left because he's not one of the best, think again. He liked cb1 better than cb2, mostly because of te good community (which, as kryuk said, he has no desire to stay here with you). Mikel, if you think that one of the greatest cb1'ers ever is "clogging the forums with farewells", you are sadly mistaken. Not only does it mean something to most cb2 players, it means a lot. And one other thing. I think BCMoto did his fair share contributing to the game, a lot more than you have sitting here and bashing people you don't know. So, next time you find yourself looking to let your anger out on a great former cb1 player, hold it inside.

Hal-lo, Moto! I just had to say it. You will be missed.

Mikel, farewells have no other spot to go.

However, Mikel's point is valid. Farewells peppered with not-so-subtle daggers don't make a lot of sense. If you want to say farewell, say farewell. If you want to post about what is wrong with CB2, then do that (or better yet, stick around and make it better). I think that might be what Mikel is trying to say, and I agree with him.

Sut, considering what Jon did, I don't think Bc's comments were undeserved, and a farewell is a perfectly legitimate place in which to put them.

"I am leaving because
A. Jon lied
B. He doesn't care"

How is that anything but sensible...

Mikel as much as I've tried to like ya, I still see an aol addr, which just leaves a bad taste in my mouth...

This is exactly why I don't feel like putting my time and energy into cb2 that I did into cb1.

I have played cb2 since the day it opened. Was a top 30 character for most of the beginning. Committed myself to being a cb2 mentor. But something that perhaps people like Mikel will never understand: It's not the GAME aspect that made cb1 more appealing to some of us than cb2. A "I'll gladly hold the door open" comment like Mikel's simply wasn't existent in cb1. We cherished our members, and never made it a point to say we'll be fine without them.

If you truly think cb2 is so great Mikel, you should work on holding the door for those trying to get in instead of those leaving.

Aww Not Dyno too, this is truly a sad day....=/

Aww Not Dyno too, this is truly a sad day....=/

Two Great CB'ers

dyno, there were very few exceptions to that, such as crackmonkey. We were very happy to be rid of him :P.

Touche blarg :) There were a few times like that. But it's pretty safe to say that someone would have to do something pretty extreme to get others to be happy of his removal.

Mikel, I'm not honestly certain what you are trying to accomplish with your post in BC's farewell post. I do not think your harshly worded and in poor taste post. "why don't you people dedicate the same amount of time, energy and passion to CB2 and bring this one up to your standards?" Does not inspire me or anyone, and I think end the end proves the point of the extreme differences of the two communities. Not sure what this backhanded comment was to say, "That is, if your "superior knowledge" is better than everyone else's." but if you knew BC at ALL you would know it does not apply to BC in any way, and once more shows your ignorance.

Again you say things like "Otherwise, I'll hold the door open for you all as you are leaving, cause you aren't contributing in any way to this game other than clogging up our forums with your "fare thee well's" that mean nothing to the majority of the players on CB2." and yet there is but one post saying farewell, and compared to the other junk cluttering the forums, it is minor and easy to skip over if you have the tact and taste to do it, which you obviously do not.

You can add this disclaimer at the end, "This is not meant as a disrespect to BCM (I don't know him), but it's about time you CB1'ers put up or shut up." But the disrespect is clearly there and your disclaimer does not change that.

So take you OWN advice and shut up! You know NOTHING about which you speak and yet felt complelled to post. But if nothing else you show exactly why people see a difference between CB1 and CB2 community, and you make it glaringly obvious.

In the end you make me ashamed I am even marginally part of the CB2 community. You certainly not the only person who makes me ashamed, but the fact that you decided to make it so obvious by posting your inane drivel on one of the best people I know farewell post, made it easy for be to speak out.

Enough pollution of the farewell thread...sorry for my part in it.

BC, I sincerely implore you to stick around and be a part of this community. I would love to see you here. When I returned to dabble a bit on CB1 a while back, you were as kind and generous as ever (as was everyone else). I am grateful, and I think you are an excellent character.

Good luck in whatever you do.

I dont think BC would have appreciated all of this.

Lets just get on with getting on - and ignore certain character's complete lack of feeling.

Keep it friendly guys - and just remember the good times and lets make some more over here. :-)

Actually I do hold the door open for NEW CB'ers quite well thank you, and Sut has it right, say farewell or make a cb1 post as to what went wrong with CB1.

I think you are all lucky that he even ran it for another 10 months after he Opened CB2, most games don't do that, when they upgrade, they close the old one(s) down.

The only reason I posted, is to point out that No one player is bigger than the game itself. There will always be more just like everyone that leaves. You can put me into what every category you like, I don't really care, your opinions are just that, opinions and so are mine.

Yes, Mikel...

Then go start a nifty thread (of your opinion) in a separate post. *smile* That is the counter argument.

No one player is bigger than the game, but the relationships people have can be substantial enough to warrant a pleasant farewell.

If that was truly the only reason you posted Mikel then you used about 200 more words than necessary. Less is more in your case. BC never claimed to be bigger than the game he was just saying farewell to his friends. I know Freed, I agree Freed, but I cannot contain myself anymore than Mikel can.

It's one thing to to post and say goodbye BC, which I did, without insult or injury to ANYONE. It's another to post one large insulting post then try to lamely justify it with another. You justification makes as much sense as you original post. You ignorance glares through once again.

Yes this is my opinion. Yes you are welcome to yours, but if you want to THRUST your opinion in this thread where it is neither wanted or needed, then you get mine right back. I have the same disabilty you have Mikel, I cannot hold my tongue when I should. But atleast I can justify mine as you started it. My post said goodbye, your post was simply insulting. I should be the bigger man, but I wont be. So, if you would like to hear from me again, just post again, otherwise, see you don't want to be you.

that is a good poem.... brings me to tears.... it was on the backs of many cards for family member wakes.............

thank you BC moto i could talk with you for ourrrrrrs with you about strat on cb1..... i'm sorry it all has to end... please come back and chat once in awhile maybe?

In honor of Moto I'm going to refrain from saying what I really want to. Instead, I'll say this. While I agree with Mikel that no one player is bigger than the game itself, there are a select few that through their words and actions make the game a better experience for the rest of us. BCMoto was one of these people. Can all of us, whether we knew the man or not, show him the respect he deserves by keeping the crap out of this thread?

Mikel,

It is comments like the one you made that make the CB2 community what it is. JUNK.

"Instead of crying about how much you are going to miss cb1,
why don't you people dedicate the same amount of time, energy and passion to CB2 and bring this one up to your standards?"

Where do you get off saying Moto or anyone for that matter is crying about missing CB1? Maybe we are just attempting to say thanks and goodbye to those CB1 players that we formed good friendships with.


"if your "superior knowledge" is better than everyone else's."

Yet another out of line comment. Just another ignorant comment!


"Otherwise, I'll hold the door open for you all as you are leaving, cause you aren't contributing in any way to this game other than clogging up our forums with your "fare thee well's" that mean nothing to the majority of the players on CB2."

Can you hold the door open for me as well?

"This is not meant as a disrespect to BCM (I don't know him), but it's about time you CB1'ers put up or shut up"


I have been on and off CB2 since the first night it came out. I dont really care for it. I generally keep my comments to myself. I tried to fit into the CB2 community but I was not well received. I have spoken my piece now I will crawl back into my hole.

Firstly, I am not in any way a member of CB1, yet I could have been had I discovered this game much sooner. Either way it doesn't mater. What I do know is that I believe everyone deserves respect.

To say that a game could be larger then anybody, much less everybody, is a ridiculous conclusion. Games fundamentally exist for the sake of people. This game in particular is worthless without real people playing. BCMoto is indeed a person like the rest of us and if he has something to say then he has a right to be heard. I may not know him personally nor may I know about all of his contributions, but regardless I will at least read what he has to say before I respond to it.

I hope that people would realize from all of the other posts here that only a small minority of people are like our dear friend Mikel. However, I think that many of us would let the words of one person overshadow the numerous replies of so many others.

For those of you that can remember my own farewell post from sometime in June, you will notice that I almost left for the same reasons as some of the CB1 players. Personally I didn't like the posts I read and I didn't like the atmosphere as I went deeper into the forums. However, I eventually came to look past all the people trying to capture my attention with their disrespectful blabbering and bickering to see that behind them was a host of fantastic people. People full of both wisdom and kindness.

BCMoto, the truth is that you are not completely unknown to me. I have read so many posts from both CB1 and CB2 that I easily recognized your name as a long time active member of CB in general. All I'm going to say is that if you leave us please don't let it leave a sour taste in your mouth. Remember the fun you had, and take with you the memories of friends you have made here. Lastly, just know that you are welcome to come back at any time.



(Note: Quotations, such as "superior knowledge", are used to separate someone else's words from your own. I'm afraid that someone replied to this post without reading it and created a quotation that did not exist in the first place. Nowhere in the original post do I find this quotation and so it is indeed an incorrect use of punctuation.)

It is a sad day, for the whole of the CB community to see a player who was as awsesome as Moto leave..i could never express enough how fun it was in CB1 to see the people i knew there everyday, and be able to gripe and complkain about my lifes problems while smashing other teams into the ground...You will be missed Moto...Good Journey, and Good luck my friend...

Farewell Moto
Im sorry it had to end this way and i hope you can come back in the near future.

/me waves

Mikel, what games might you be talking about that shut down after upgraded to #2?

Counter-Strike is a PERFECT example of the opposite of what you said. (Which kind of relates to cb1 if cb1 had stayed open to everyone instead of closing the window to new people.)

CS came out a while ago, and what happened? CS:S came out, and then what happened? People went back to CS because CS:S sucked, and now majority of Counter-Strike players still play original CS.



So keep the lame comments to yourself and in your thoughts, cuz their not needed here, forums are for use to whatever is PG really. So i see no problems with this and a thread about Happy New Year's.

If you thought I'd let you go without saying something your sadly mistaken. Although you did not mention me, I remember when I first started cb1 my assigned mentor was not around so Teq stepped in and was my adopted mentor, he showed me the ropes. My second day there I still had a few questions that's where you came in Moto. Then there was the teamspeak server that Max hosted I talked to you pretty much everyday on there (oh those were the days). I don't wish to think of how boring some things would have been without you. Keep in touch for you'll always hold a special place in my heart. As if it hasn't been said enough do come back and visit OFTEN and good luck I wish you the best in everything you do. (Sorry this was so long but it needed to be said)

A lot of the people pining for the good old days of CB1 pull this "the community was better!" line. I guess it's all they have left since CB2 is clearly the better game.

It's still nonsense; I was there. The only thing CB1's community had going for it was nostalgia.

Oh, and thanks for the props. Where the hell do you get the gall to complain "Jonathan didn't spend any time on CB1 for the past year?" I do you a favor keeping it running and you start whining that I'm not spending more time on it? People like you make me wish I'd shut it down a year ago.

Whatever. Maybe you can do a better job raising your kids than your parents did with you. Perhaps their mother will set a good example for them. Yeah.

Bye.

Go Jon, let it all out man. I thought you'd snap one day, 'bout time. :D

smallpau1,

CS is a game that has made a lot of money. 1 person didn't make it unlike this game they have money to keep stuff open(normal CS)if Jon kept CB1 open he'd have less time and money to keep upgrading CB2.

Jon

I've always enjoyed your responses bucause they were cerebral and witty on a level that most wouldn't get but judging by your response to this thread I get the impression that the truth hurt you

You said one thing and did another and got called on it.

Perhaps CB2 is a better 'game' as far as the programming goes. Obviously your skills as a programmer have grown but your skills as a person sure as hell haven't.

What made CB1 the better experience was the community that existed around it. In any community it is never the infrastructure that makes it special, it's the people. always has been that way and always will be.

Judging by the special people that have chosen to walk away CB2 will never, repeat never, have that same feeling of friendship and community that existed on CB1.

You may have written a better game but you wrote the best people out of it

Good luck

I really hate responding to post that bash developers. Clearly, You have no idea of what goes into a game, no matter what kind.

Jon, your quite an inspiration. a 1 man army, that single handedly made a game that kept thousands occupied, for YEARS! Someone, Anyone, name somebody else who has done that.
And, he has to put up with all the crazy nuts who don't like him. He may not be as involved with the community as in the early days of CB1, though i'm not sure how involved that was myself, not being around. But making game changes every thime he thinks of them, programming into the night while he has a family there, thats dedication. or insanity. or both..
Anyways, As far as I'm concerned, he owned CB1, and he could do whatever he wants with it. i miss my characters there, but i don't blame Jon for thier disapperance. Actually, I thank him for being able to play for another year.
Sure, he could have closed CB1 down different, but hindsight is 20/20. he could have destroyed CB1 and put CB2 up the next day, But he didn't. He let it linger on.
And anyone that starts complaining about the community on CB1 being so great : Get Real. we had the same problems as CB2 does. Lots of unknowns playing, lots of disagreements.
I think the only difference was the Big guys. Todd, Spydah, Saint, MrsDi, (any other admin there.. ) They kept us focused. Todd-Spydah was the number one target forever.
I remember reading Everything he posted. Everything. for the very start, every time he commented on anything, i read it. hero worship, ya know. I even kinda got my team idea from him. reading about how he had a single tank till 500k pr, then hiring minions. I decided to make my character like that. plus it was pretty cheap.

Anyways,, now that i've rambled on and missed my target by a mile..

BCMoto. You'll be missed. But your a part of CB, as much as anyone else. [Even CM and Monty... but in a good way :) ]

All i mearly did was mention how i cme to kow Moto and I get Jon's rant after my post how nice...

This is directly to you Jon. I really don't think you have the position to insult BC's parents like that. You cannot honestly yell at him for one comment that you viewed as rude or one mistake. You've made mistakes even within the game such as taking back and cutting down/increasing items.
Yes, you kindly went out of your way to give us CB for 1 year extra BUT many people have personally discussed buying CB1 from you or paying for the bandwith to keep it open. So how can you say we are being selfish?
We tried our best on our part to keep the community open. I'm am more than certain some type of agreement could have been made. It seems more obvious now that you just didn't want CB to last no matter how much we altered it.
I say shame on you to give us something and then rip it away followed by chastising us on greed. No person would calmly thank you and walk away from that kind of treatment.

Well this thread is certainly going places. How about everyone(and I do mean EVERYONE) just cool off for a while?


In before the lock.

I understand how hurt a lot of us are, but the truth is plain.
CB is Jon's game, and for a long time, was treated like his living room.
It's fate is his choice, regardless of our attachment. I myself got whiney
as all get out, but I have to say I feel badly for calling Jon a liar, even
though he did misspeak. He isn't a diplomat, but he's a fair deity...

ad hominim arguments suck, y'all.
and using the reverse, positive past justification, is silly as well.

sorry to see yet another departure.

Smallpau1,
Flamey said exactly what I sent you in a CM about comparing CS vs CB. Money.

I played CB1, over there you were either in with the crowd or an outcast. So as far as I could tell, the community was much worse over there. Unless of course you were part of the in crowd. And people complained over there just as much as people complain over here, so I really don't see how you can say the community was much better.

As far as my superior knowledge comment:
novice states: " Thanks for creating a a team that was essentially unbeatable, and fighting it till the end. "

In Jayuu's 'A Fond Farewell To My CB1 Friends', [CB1]chadderbox states: "....moto for your help devising a strat to combat the powerhouse formally known as kronos...."

There are some people here in cb2 that could use toppling if you cb1 experts are up to the challenge. Everything is in place for you to grow a competitive team, so what's holding you back? I hoped that my comments would motivate some of you into fighting for a top spot, but I guess you've all gotten lazy.

Last but not least, what kind of a response do you think you are going to get out of Jon when you sit here and bait him over and over with your farewells laced with barbed wire? I think Jon's comments were in line with what you expected.

*points Mikel towards Imp* Umm it's already happening...
If you or matrim don't beat TAB, he certainly will.
Personally my $$$ is on Scaglietti, RoE RULES!

The Apocalypse Book (Battle Royale) Imp (Moto*s Minions) Imp 8 1:41 PM EST

s/happening/happened.

You are right, it is happening, but Jayuu didn't grow his own character.
And Scalgetti doesn't fight as much as he could. I'm not using a RoE and he's barely keeping ahead of me. But kudos to Imp for his growth.

I don't know if you're still reading this thread, Dad, but don't you find it it ironic that when I introduced you to this game I left soon after and while I am just rebeginning you leave in suit?

Life is funny. I'm sorry that such a pleasurable thing was taken from you for Christmas...

from my point of view the conversion of BCS into Imp is one of the more impressive feats I've seen so far, between Jay and Freed, the myths previously propounded concerning when to hire minions seem to have been greatly overstated.

I honestly still think it's a toss up between how you and glory are growing chars and how G is going about it. The overwhelming NW of your folks teams, vrs plain
simple logic. I do think that at this point if similar NW was poured into Scaglietti, there would be no contest...in any case you all make me feel like slacker. (I'm 200k mpr away from the folks in lead of the NCB club.

Wow Jonathan, you managed to get a slam in on me as well as my father and my grandmother. Three generations! Congats. Well, I certainly know where you got your gall: you made carnage blender so you've got the audacity to insult the parenting of my grandmother who brought up three sons on her own as a working mother.

I pity the man - no, he is not even a man - who bows to your assertion, who bends to your opinion under the assumption that creation breeds total authority.

I shall be terse, frank, and no less callous than you. What you said was ill informed, slanderous, disrespectful, filthy, and apalling. I always thought you had more class: I mistook you for a humble man who reveled in the success of his game and enjoyed its dowerless patrons.

In your defense, your response was not unwonted and plausibly deserving, but it showed poor judgement on your part to have let emotion run over rhyme and reason.

In short, Jonathan, you have disappointed me and I'll never forgive you.

I'm taking neither side in this massive line of posts. People always said CB1 had a great community, and that the community of CB2 could never be as great. For anyone who wants to prove that CB2 CAN be as great of a community, this is not the way to go about it.

Let's all be mature and cut this bashing, whether or not you think you have the right or you want to slander someone else for bashing.

If you want to post, post because you have something nice to say to BCMoto, such as a farewell (which I imagine most have at this point). If you keep up with offensive remarks, no matter how right you may be, not matter how valid your points are, you're only contributing to the problem.

Farewell posts that include extensive criticism of other players, the game, or the creator always seem to result in counter criticism. Then allies of the first poster complain about people posting criticism in a farewell thread (ignoring the criticism in the initial farewell post), people respond to those posts, and the sniping on both sides extends the thread. It happened quite a bit on CB1, and there's no surprise that it is happening here in this thread.

Moto, good luck on whatever you do.

peace out moto and i agree with you fully, hope you are all good irl and hope to see you back some time...long live cb1 in the hearts of the few who stayed and were strong till the end. by the way jon, you didnt have to spit in his face as he trys to converse nicely...

Those threatening to leave, please leave. Those who think Jon owes them something, please leave. Those who think everyone else cares that you think Jon stole your childhood, please leave.

I said please.

Jon - can you close this thread please - so we can all get on with getting on and leave Moto the respect he deserves.

I second that.

guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, Emin3nt.

you'll never forgive me? for telling someone who was full of himself to get lost?

... excuse me, I think I just laughed up my spleen. :)