Qbranger Mikel and Matrim are too serious (in Off-topic)


UltimaSpock [Forge Frog Services] February 14 2006 11:31 AM EST

Hi!

I've just read the thread of Qbranger selling a roe, and i was surprised to read that he did not want stupid comments like the ones on the thread of matrim

I did not read previously this latter thread, so i read it at once.

Matrim was buying CB with real money.

Then a guy, {cb1}Bull3t F4c3, replied with a few comments the three above mentionned guys considered as inapropriate and they even asked an admin to fine {cb1}Bull3t F4c3.

I strongly disagree with QBranger, mikel and matrim.
I think what {cb1}Bull3t F4c3 told, about monetary evaluations, was interesting.

I think we are not robots and a few posts such as the one of {cb1}Bull3t F4c are interesting if not funny.

I think real money is beginning to spoil this game.

Please make funny, stupid and whatever replies you feel as appropriate or not in this thread!

THIS IS A GAME

ultima_spock who is here to defend cb1}Bull3t F4c

Tezmac February 14 2006 11:34 AM EST

People aren't supposed to troll or leave their opinions in FS/WTB posts, however, some people seem to be exempt from getting fined (not talking about Bullet).

chappy [Soup Ream] February 14 2006 11:35 AM EST

It's not really needed to discuss those things though in Matrim's WTB thread ... he's trying to buy something and it makes it really hard when you go into the post and see a bunch of garbage instead of useful information. You, on the other hand, did the right thing and started a separate thread to discuss the asctions.

BRAVO! :)

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] February 14 2006 11:41 AM EST

I think UltimaSpock should be fined for putting three threads all in one, making any sensible discussion highly improbable due to the inherent impossibility of staying "on topic":

Commentary in FS/WTB threads, who gets fined for it and who doesn't.
Any perceived adjustment disorders on the part of certain grouped players.
What $USD expenditures do to/for the game.

I propose we spend the rest of this thread posting our favorite synonyms or euphemisms for "too serious". Keep it PG, folks!

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] February 14 2006 11:43 AM EST

that was OTT Bast!

There was my contribution to this thread and on topic if Bast's suggestion counts as a topic!

UltimaSpock [Forge Frog Services] February 14 2006 11:48 AM EST

Bast: LOL

this is the type of thread I like!

I think the admins should reward the one who will post the funniest reply!

lol

AdminShade February 14 2006 11:48 AM EST

I think you are being too anti-serious.

those people have paid for their thread to sell or buy items, not to be haunted by stupid replies being made which shouldn't be in there.

Roughneck February 14 2006 11:48 AM EST

I fully agree this is a game,but i guess people are starting to try to treat it like a business. Pats UltimaSpock on back an agrees with him. I hardly ever read forums anymore because their so boring now. I enjoy the peanut gallery comments,makes for a more interesting post.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] February 14 2006 11:52 AM EST

Oh, Spock! That would be a "contest" and you'd have to have your thread moved by an admin. :P

UltimaSpock [Forge Frog Services] February 14 2006 11:53 AM EST

shade, i like your 'too anti serious' too

but frankly what cb1}Bull3t F4ch posted was not stupid!

that's the word stupid that has disturbed me.

UltimaSpock [Forge Frog Services] February 14 2006 11:54 AM EST

bast you are incredible!

QBBarzooMonkey February 14 2006 11:54 AM EST

Wow, whichever Admin did that, that was super-human fast! Impressive :)

Phrede February 14 2006 11:55 AM EST

I agree with Shade and several other people. This game is not about money but if some one spends their hard fought-for cash on a post then they should get the most out of it.

(for sale old 1978 Ford Granada) sorry - wrong forum.

Do we have an Exchange and Mart forum ?

{cb1}dyno February 14 2006 11:55 AM EST

Looking at both sides, here's my thoughts:

There are 2 reasons I could see someone getting upset about someone throwing peanut gallery posts in their thread. 1) It hurts business, 2) it makes it more difficult to get to the "meat and potatoes" of the thread. However, in regards to #1, if the person with the criticism of the thread is incorrect, his opinion will most likely be overlooked. Judging by the popularity of Matrim's "deal", it seems that not many people are disagreeing with bullet's feelings towards it. So perhaps there's frustration that bullet said what everyone else thought, but I don't feel like his comments directly hurt the deal that Matrim was/is trying to cut.

As for the 2nd, If someone can't get through the post because they can't differentiate what is important and what isn't, I'd be willing to bet they don't know how to use a paypal account. It seems to me that the "peanut gallery" comments are pretty easy to weed out, so if someone truly wanted to partake in this deal, it shouldn't be all that difficult to achieve.

In Matrim's defense, he did request that all comments like bullet's should be put in private. Bullet didn't, and due to that he will probably get a small fine. I may agree with what Bullet said, but when someone starts a thread and puts guidelines on it, you gotta follow them.

</rant>

AdminG Beee February 14 2006 11:57 AM EST

I blame the Panda's !

Special J February 14 2006 11:57 AM EST

Oddly enough, no matter what you thought of it, it was hijacking the thread and turning it into a discussion which was not the intention of the person who paid the 5k for the thread to begin with.

I removed the offending posts and those posts commenting on the posts in question, no fines were handed out.

NSFY February 14 2006 12:00 PM EST

THEN HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO READ IT?!?!?

Roughneck February 14 2006 12:02 PM EST

Decided i will just personally boycott FS/WTB forums that i need a lawyer to read the rules before i spend my cash.

QBOddBird February 14 2006 12:05 PM EST

/me wonders if perhaps this is why Jon prefers we use the game's auction system.

UltimaSpock [Forge Frog Services] February 14 2006 12:05 PM EST

Well, guys.

I have one thing to say: bravo!

this is really the type of thread i like with posts going in every directions!

sorry for you nsfy.

if i remember well, [cb1] something spoke about the fee of paypal, and the transfer fee of cb, so the deal proposed by matrim was not very interesting...

QBRanger February 14 2006 12:07 PM EST

I see your point Ultima.

Absolutely no problem.

Next time you sell an item in FS/WTB, I will be more than happy to put in my 3 cents on its real value, the value of USD/CB2, the value of oil in Iraq as it relates to CB2, the critique of your grammar and punctuation, etc......

And.. if it make you get far far less then the value of the item your selling, so what. It sure will be quite funny and I am sure others will get quite a laugh. Such as Matrim and Mikel.

YOU February 14 2006 12:07 PM EST

Remember this is BR-Blender. Take it or leave it.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] February 14 2006 12:09 PM EST

It was good, Soup. The whole business really should have just been C&P'd over here or something.

At one point Bullet said that taking a devaluation deal on "game money" (which is merely a side benefit of actually playing the game) is the same as selling a video game under MSRP -- which, he believes, is ripping yourself off (or, since it was in Glory's post, allowing him to rip you).

Ryth was the first to point out that the video game is a tangible item, having both production and, more importantly in this instance, procurement cost. I elucidate: Shelling out $50 for a game that you don't use and then sell for $20 is just tossing $30. (Feel free to check my math!) Taking $14 of "pure" profit when you might think you should get $15 is a judgement call.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] February 14 2006 12:11 PM EST

With some people around here (no names) the words baby, rattle and pram come to mind.

QBBarzooMonkey February 14 2006 12:15 PM EST

What a coincidence! (or not)

UltimaSpock [Forge Frog Services] February 14 2006 12:20 PM EST

Qbranger, so far i do not sell anything, I am just trying to buy!

I am searching a both, a mh, a sc, and also an mc!

NO! NO! NO!

it was a joke!

i do not want to be fined!
well, i prefer to be patient and to wait that somebody sells something to get better rates!

concerning my grammar, you re right.

i am not a native english speaker. but 10 years ago i spent one year in the us for my studies.

a very good year. my english has never been very good, and now it is becoming worse and worse. (or worst and worst??)

I just want to tell you! Take it easy!

it is a wonderful expression do not you think?

To finish on a funny note, do you know what is my best memory from my year spent in the us?

mhmmm?

concerning the cultural life...

IT'S:

JERRY SPRINGER

too hot for tv!

I really miss it!

well guys, i have to leave

thanks again for your replies!

UltimaSpock [Forge Frog Services] February 14 2006 12:22 PM EST

bast, you are my master ;-)

QBRanger February 14 2006 12:56 PM EST

Jerry Springer.... Well that explains everything.

PirateKing February 14 2006 12:56 PM EST

"bast, you are my master ;-)"

Master?!? Did Bast have one of those "special" surgical procedures and not tell anyone except UltimaSpock? :P

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] February 14 2006 1:12 PM EST

Amazing to think that Spock and I had similiar thoughts, but were getting there from two separate posts. My example of too seriousness comes from WolfCorpse post about UC base damage. (you could toss stabilo being fined in there too, but one is enough)

First he is slammed that he should not even make the post (as if all posts on CB are useful and relevant) I love a quick post from the oft intoxicated ppl, but they certainly are not any more relevant to CB than WolfCoprse's.

Then he gets fined for padding his post. I personally think it comes from a semantic error, when WolfCopse said he padded his post, it was assumed that it meant in order to avoid the spellchecker, when in fact I believe it was meant to suggest filling a post with data that was in fact non useful, in anticipation of being able to post useful data later.

Regardless here is the fined text as best as I could tell. "Did you know the nah's aren't correct spelling? very annoying they are." If we got fined for every time someone complained about words not being in the spell checker, Central Bank would be very rich indeed.

People talk about community here and if it is good or bad. I think the small, nit-picky, almost petty application of administrative powers, too often called in from non-admin posts, help create the impression that CB2 community lacks something. I personally think it is friendship and camaraderie, but what do I know :)

In the end, I believe there is a difference between enforcing rules that when enforced better the community and enforcing rules simply because they exist.

Next time you cross the street without using the designated cross walk, and are ticketed by a cop because some good Samaritan saw you do it and turned you in, and thus because it is illegal, the cop feels obligated to ticket you, and now you have to pay hard earned money out of your pocket, perhaps you could empathize with people like WolfCorpse.

Just my 5 cents (inflation)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 14 2006 1:37 PM EST

If a rule exists it should be enforced. If it's a bad rule then change it or get rid of it. But to apply it scatter-shot or at a whim is worse.

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] February 14 2006 1:53 PM EST

Of course GL in Utopia this is possible, to have in existence only rules that are necessary and whose application is benefitial to all.

Do you ever exceed the speed limit? Technically, by the rules, it is against the law (by definition this is the limit you may travel).

So we should not have speed limits? Because when you creep over the limit by 5 miles an hour, you are breaking the rules, yet the rule is whimsically not being applied to you, but is being applied to the person who exceeds by 10,15,20 or more? And when you are ticketed for doing 60 in a 55 zone do you not feel cheated as you have watched people zoom by cops at 65 in a 55 zone without some much as a lit cherry?

It is easy and safe to say apply all rules equally. It sounds logical, fair, and just. All good rules do, but only in the rules application (or perhaps if you prefer interpretation) by fair and just PEOPLE can a rule truly be fair and just.

But in the end, perhaps we are truly saying the same thing. That is, either apply the rule the same way to everyone, or no one, if THIS is the case I agree wholeheartily, however; again with humans interpreting the rule, I say its impossible, so do the next best thing. Give them the benefit of the doubt. Be less inclined to apply the rule, not more inclined. Be less totaltarian in your approach and watch the "community" actually get better from the lack of adminstatively enforcing the rules. I can only speak as to watching what more enforcement does, but I bet the opposite creates more trust and friendship.

WeaponX February 14 2006 2:01 PM EST

i'd just like to say ^^ he's good

AdminG Beee February 14 2006 2:11 PM EST

If it's a Panda that's speeding - should it be fined too ??

QBBarzooMonkey February 14 2006 2:14 PM EST

Li Li! :D

NSFY February 14 2006 2:19 PM EST

Check the news - an angry mob in China is burning the Scottish embassy and pelting the staff with bamboo shoots!!!

NSFY February 14 2006 2:21 PM EST

Oh yeah, China is a country. I meant that this is happening in one of those big cities in China where they would have an embassy and stuff.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 14 2006 2:44 PM EST

Sef, I'd happily admit that I speed. I'll also admit that it is breaking the law, and if I was caught I should pay the price. That says nothing about whether the speed limit in effect is correct.

Some I think are, others I think are rubbish.

But I'm still breaking the law if I speed and should be punished. I'm flaunting the rules by speeding, in happy awarness of what I'm doing. Just becuse there aren't enough police officers (or in CBs case Admins) or systems (speed camera, or what not) to catch me doesn't make my crime any more acceptable.

But I do it because I can get away with it.

Relax the law any more (say get rid of speed cameras) and I'll speed more.

Catch me, at least once, and I'll slow down, if only for a while.

I don't think most people would disagree that speed limits are necessary, but I'm sure I could gather enough people who think that lowering the A13 from 50mph to 40, while giving it an extra lane (in effect making it a motorway) is a stupid limit and we could hope to change it.

But none of us will change the 20mph limit outside schools.

But yeah, I agree with "either apply the rule the same way to everyone, or no one". If the problem is with interpretation, then look at the rule, not the enforcers. Is it clear and understandable? For CB2, the one in question is 'Don't pad your posts to get past the spellchecker'. That's rather clear cut and CW did exactly that, because 'nah' isn't recognised, not because of some comment about data. It's a clear breach of the rule, so it should be applied, or the rule got rid of if the community thinks it's too restrictive.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 14 2006 2:53 PM EST

>_< Sorry all, I misread CW second comment... *If* the original post would have been stopped by the spellchecker without the "Did you know..." last sentence, then it is padding, if not (and I suppose I could try to c&p that section of the post to see if it's fine, but I hope this was checked before fining) then there should be no need for a fine...

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] February 14 2006 3:18 PM EST

See GL now we foray into the other side, the human side. Let's assume (and I myself do not agree with the assumption) that CW added that line to get past the spell checker. You say then it is clear cut that he padded his post. Even without the checking of whether the post would make it without that sentence I disgree. I think this:

This is to get past the spell checker This is to get past the spell checker This is to get past the spell checker This is to get past the spell checker This is to get past the spell checker

is obvious, clear cut, annoying and deserving of a fine.

What if I make up a piece of fiction and there are a lot of words the spell checker picks up. So instead of obviously padding the post, I end the story with a paragraphical dedication. My intent is the same. To avoid the spell checker. My manner in doing so is not clear cut and obvious, heck it might even be relevant.

So I say, what is clear cut and obvious to one, is not the same to another. The human equation. Given we all are imperfect, we can no more be correct everytime as incorrect (although some test that theory of random nature often)

Why is it not clear cut and obvious to me, well the most glaring thing is the reapplication of the word in the sentence. I am betting based upon the size of the post, that the addition of one more flagged word in that small sentence hurt the posts chance of success versus helping it. Percentage wise saying "nah" again most likely decreased the posts chance of success. Thats just numerical analysis. The human side is even more tangled than that.

Regardless, it would have been VERY easy to not apply a fine there. It would have been even easier if there were not many pointing fingers at it. All for what? So you do not have to read one guys opinion on if nah should be in the spell checker?

Well, as I said I have read posts about "I love you guys" and laughed, or "Im drunk" and smiled. I do NOT wish to see them fined anymore than CorpseWolf, but their post is no more or less relevant than the one line about its annoying to have nah not be in the spell checker. That to me is why its not clear cut and obvious, and is the ultimate goal of this post, to say perhaps, because we are all human, we should be less inclined to flex or call for the flexing of administrative muscle. I think if that does occur CB land will be a better and happier place :)

YOU February 14 2006 3:22 PM EST

Sefton your words are scaring me. I think you have a great lawyer potential. /No sarcasm here.

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] February 14 2006 3:33 PM EST

Well thank you Haterz :) And I wanted to add, that I was going to make a post all of mine own on this very subject regarding CW. How I felt an increased call for the heavy handed application of administrative justice, and this was an example.

Then I thought, no one will really care, and the ones that do will fight and argue, so why bother.

Then I saw a complete stranger getting the same vibe as me, but from a totally different post. So thus my responses here. Again, I am not calling for a change in the past. I am calling for a change in the future. I am not trying to get CW's or anyone's $$$ back. I'm trying to say, Spock's post echos my feelings about the tone of the community, and my response to his post is a call for a change and the reasons for it.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 14 2006 3:56 PM EST

:) But I (usually) post my "I love you all" drunken posts in off topic. Nothing is (usually) game relevant in off topic...

As to CWs post padding, *shrug* that doesn't bother me, I (usualy) trust the admins decisions on these things. :) But I did speak up about his post as it seemed to me no more than a school yard "Nah Nah, I know something you don't know!" post.

As for the FS/WTB posts, isn't there forum rules about not posting in a FS/WTB thread if you're not participating in the purchase/sale?

I've had posts of mine recently removed from a contest thread. I thought I was legitimately highlighting problems the contest would have, but the thread creator didn't like them and asked for them to be removed. Should those posts have been deleted? Did I brake any forum rule? Yet they were asked to be removed and were. That seems to me to suggest any thread creator can ask an admin to remove posts that aren't on topic within a thread, so why the problem with Matrim doing it?

QBBarzooMonkey February 14 2006 4:09 PM EST

For a moment, I considered starting a "Sefton and GL are too serious" thread, but an Admin would probably just delete it before anyone could see it, so nah... (which is still not in the spellchecker)

QBBarzooMonkey February 14 2006 4:11 PM EST

Oops, I forgot the :)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 14 2006 4:16 PM EST

:D I'm only serious cuz I'm sitting here trying to type with one hand after having steamed some flesh off my right hand cooking a valentine meal... :( It hurts...

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] February 14 2006 4:20 PM EST

and I am only serious because I think CB could be a better place, and this is one reason why it is not :)

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] February 14 2006 4:36 PM EST

I take one little nap and this thread goes so far down hill it is utterly irredeemable. Spock is going to be so disappointed.

NSFY February 14 2006 4:47 PM EST

Apparently GL's date is a cannibal.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] February 14 2006 4:55 PM EST

since 11:00 this morning 45 posts not bad... lol

Sacredpeanut February 14 2006 5:01 PM EST

CW's original post got edited somewhere along the line, originally it had something like this on the end of it:

"stupid spellchecker won't let me post...... will it let me post now.......nope.....comeon I gotta go to school."

Perhaps admins should revert back to writing [Edited - spell check padding] or similar on posts that get edited to avoid confusion?

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] February 14 2006 5:09 PM EST

"I take one little nap and this thread goes so far down hill it is utterly irredeemable. Spock is going to be so disappointed.

--QBBast, 4:36 PM EST"

If down hill means more on topic and utterly irredeemable means that the former nonsense cannot be reclaimed, I agree :)

Unfortunately I disagree with the Spock being disappointed :)

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] February 14 2006 5:19 PM EST


It is unfortunate when you are disagreeable!

*shrug* Maybe Soup can save it.

QBBarzooMonkey February 14 2006 5:19 PM EST

But Li Li was here, people! Li Li was here!!! :D

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] February 14 2006 5:29 PM EST

Even Meatloaf said, 2 out of 3 ain't bad, Bast ;)

SaintMichael February 14 2006 5:30 PM EST

Some people break the law for pure psychological appeasement, these people are generally regarded as a sociopath and put away for a very long time. An example of a sociopath would be Monty, with no regard for anyone's well-being he sought to better his own personal enjoyment. Even when confronted they will deny any wrong doing.

Others break the law cause it is easy or for gain of something. These people can be dealt with humanly, they have motivation and something to lose. Often these people are mistaken as threat and time and resources are poured into disposing of them, since they are, in fact, more common.

Which category do you think being too serious falls in? Trick question, the answer is neither. There is nothing objectively wrong with what they are doing. Between the law there is alittle leeway for discernment. However, it is wrong to intrude on someone's post which they paid 5,000 for to sell an item.

- One very tired guy, SaintMichael

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 14 2006 5:47 PM EST

Nope, no cannible (I'm glad to say!). First time of using our damn (although very good) steamer. I'd prepared very healthy oven cooked, stuffed chicken breasts (With low fat cream chesse, ham and black pepper stuffing), with steamed vegitables and jacket potatoes.

When I got the veg out of the steamer, it decided I needed a little more time cooking myself... :(

Much cold water later, it stings now.

Mikel February 14 2006 7:02 PM EST

How am I too serious?
I show respect to everyone's FS/WTB's. I don't post stupid and negative remarks in there to devalue whatever they are selling or buying.
If they are selling it to low or to high, I'll send them a CM. That is the route you are supposed to use if you don't like what you see.
What {cb1}Bull3t F4c3 did in Matrim's thread was wrong, what I gathered from {cb1}Bull3t F4c3 was that he had no intentions of selling any of his cb2 for 12:1 USD. To top it off, he only gave a partial truth about how paypal works.
Matrim paid for his thread and requested that assinine comments not be posted. So how is the removal of incorrect and de-valuing statements such a bad thing?
Yes, I asked for a fine to be levied because I try to abide by the rules as much as possible and if they are enforced, then the FS/WTB's will be cleaner and easier to read and see who has the high bid on what items.

Xiaz on Hiatus February 14 2006 7:05 PM EST

More whine, Sir?

QBJohnnywas February 14 2006 7:09 PM EST

Can you feel the love tonight?

Mikel February 14 2006 7:31 PM EST

Yes I'd like for you to to get me some Delicato California Chardonnay please, it will make my salmon even better.

Xiaz on Hiatus February 14 2006 7:33 PM EST

Why, a superb choice, Sir! :)

Stephen February 14 2006 7:38 PM EST

$6.99 a bottle. Classy!

QBRanger February 14 2006 7:41 PM EST

Better than that screwtop stuff you use Stephen:)

chappy [Soup Ream] February 14 2006 7:46 PM EST

I second what Mikel said .. rules are rules .. I've had my share of fines .. and hey I learned too .. sometimes that's what it takes.

NSFY February 14 2006 7:50 PM EST

So which one of those would go best with GL's steamed flesh Valentine's Day dinner?

I heard he tastes like chicken if that helps.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 14 2006 7:53 PM EST

I do taste a little foul... ;)

Do you still have to do the red wine/red meat, white wine/white meat and fish thing?

QBOddBird February 14 2006 7:58 PM EST

pale wine/pale flesh would work for this occasion, GL.

QBBarzooMonkey February 14 2006 8:00 PM EST

Assuming human flesh would be considered red meat, maybe a nice Chianti...

*insert creepy hissing noise here*

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 14 2006 8:00 PM EST

Are you assuming I'm a pasty allergic to sunlight computer nerd and not a sun loving buff jock? ;)

I hold a tan really well, but some of me hasn't seen the light of day for years! ;)

QBBarzooMonkey February 14 2006 8:04 PM EST

Hey, I have a question - what wine goes well with Panda?

Xiaz on Hiatus February 14 2006 8:11 PM EST

That's inhumane! No one eats Panda, even the mere thought of doing so should be punished! :O

sssimmo February 14 2006 8:15 PM EST

GL theres nothing like hitting a busy beach in the nude...you should try it sometime!

sssimmo February 14 2006 8:16 PM EST

...and handstands are good for those hard to reach places!

SNK3R February 14 2006 8:33 PM EST

"I show respect to everyone's FS/WTB's. I don't post stupid and negative remarks in there to devalue whatever they are selling or buying. If they are selling it to low or to high, I'll send them a CM. That is the route you are supposed to use if you don't like what you see." - Mikel

I hate to state the obvious, but:

The "I don't post stupid and negative remarks in there to devalue whatever they are selling or buying" / "If they are selling it to low or to high, I'll send them a CM" list of lies: The "I show respect to everyone's FS/WTB" list of lies:

QBOddBird February 14 2006 8:38 PM EST

ouch. *sizzle*

sssimmo February 14 2006 8:38 PM EST

Ha! Super!

QBOddBird February 14 2006 8:42 PM EST

up, left, down, down, A+B! K.O.! Fatality! SNK3R WINS!

th00p February 14 2006 8:45 PM EST

Now he gets to do the sick fatality ending... animocity please? =P

sssimmo February 14 2006 8:45 PM EST

I hope SNK3R never uses his powers against me...

[T]Vestax February 14 2006 9:18 PM EST

I've just started to get caught up on this post. Half way through I found out that GodWolf was fined for a comment at the end of one of his posts.

I personally read this post before he was fined. I considered the possibility of an infraction well before Ranger made his comments. However, I easily determined, without having to get out a calculator, that GodWolf's final sentence was not for the sake of padding. Simply put, the 'padding' in question would have ensured the impossibility of getting past the spellchecker without the <nospellcheck> tag. That is because the sentence itself included the misspelled word in question.

Therefore, I will clearly state that he was wrongfully charged and should receive an apology at the least. Fining people is not something to be done in haste or without consideration. In regards to the topic I would like to put forth my own opinion.

The game's rules are entrusted to real people. We call them admins and sub-admins. We use real people for a couple of reasons. First of all, the alternative, the bot, is easily fooled. The second is that aside from intelligence, human beings also have judgment.

Intelligence allows us to recognize an infraction, such as being able to understand when an acronym or leet speak is being used to circumvent the PG rules. However, this only works for rules that do not involve the intentions of the individual. We do not consider the intentions of those that curse because, spite what they are trying to say, there is always a better way to say it.

Intelligence only goes so far. Judgment is needed for when the intentions of those in question matter, or when one needs to determine what is fair punishment. I encourage the use of judgment by our fellow admins. I'm sure that if Jon wanted his admins to be bot-like, and see things only in black and white, then he would not entrust such power to me. If that is what he wants, then I advise him to take that responsibility away from me now.

Blarg February 14 2006 9:19 PM EST

Ow! its like watching a football player getting kicked in the crotch in slow motion!

[T]Vestax February 14 2006 9:29 PM EST

I give up on being on-topic. I'll just go along with the rest and agree that someone got caught with more then just their foot in their mouth.

Mikel February 15 2006 12:26 AM EST

I've paid my price for popping off (about 1 mil in fines) and have learned to keep my trap shut because of it.

The "I don't post stupid and negative remarks in there to devalue whatever they are selling or buying" / "If they are selling it to low or to high, I'll send them a CM" list of lies: The "I show respect to everyone's FS/WTB" list of lies: Since December I've been clear of all posts other than off-topics and General (helping people out with strats and stuff) and making offers in the FS/WTB's. I know I'm not perfect, but I have cleaned it up alot since my first few months into the game. And I am just enjoying the game more now instead of getting upset over dumb things out of my control.

Maelstrom February 15 2006 12:40 AM EST

True, you've been very quiet lately Mikel - I thought you might have gotten tired of the game... nice to see you're still with us :)

QBsutekh137 February 15 2006 12:43 AM EST

Vestax, be careful what you wish for.

When I made a nearly identical comment to yours about Jonathan probably needing to remove my chat-op privilege (if what I had done was an issue...I had used "Pornographers", as in, "TheNewPornographers" as my user name...THE HORROR!), he agreed with me and revoked it before I could say "deader than saddle shoes".

Good times, that CB1. Have I mentioned recently (or ever) that I'm glad it's gone?

AdminJonathan February 15 2006 1:05 AM EST

Does that mean you've since changed your mind about being a role model, Sutekh? :)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 15 2006 3:32 AM EST

"...and handstands are good for those hard to reach places!"


No, no ,no... I found the answer to this on a family holiday to Greece when I was 16. There were some graphic postcards showing how an only wooden cotten reel could be used to make sure even the most hard to reach places got to see the sun... o_O

UltimaSpock [Forge Frog Services] February 15 2006 3:50 AM EST

Well guys,

after a good night, i was very surprised this morning...

This thread has gone past all my expectations. No bast i'm not disappointed. sefton you're right.

just the mix of serious and not so serious (or not at all serious) posts that makes a thread funny and interesting to read, to my opinion.

I've even attracted the attention of our god himself (or itself or herself? lol what is the sex of a god???
what is the sex of OUR god? we know his/its/her name is jonathan, but except that we know little things!
lol! in europe there is currently a harsh row about religious caricatures...)

Sefton calls me a stranger!

lol

I am a poor lonesome cowboy coming from a very far away country, and i have special secret powers...

NO, i do not shoot faster than the light. But i have the power of true-seeing! lol


I've just posted my finger on something important for this community i guess!

There is currently a true war between two views of what should be the behaviour of the community.

When i was in the US, i watched a lot my tv-set. I was appalled by the amount of advertisements.
I remember a striking one: 1-800-LAWYERS. 'If you have a phone, you have a lawyer' was their caption...
(for the ones living outside the us, 1-800 is the code for free phone numbers, and with the letters on the phone you can define a complete phone number...)

I believe that in a community rules must exist and they have to be enforced.
*BUT* this is a game, a small community, and trust should be the first rule. I believe all other rules should not be strictly enforced. I have the same point of view as sefton
true, we must pay for the FS/wtb forum, but that's not real money, and the fee is very small.
it happens as if the creator of a thread in this forum is a mini god and behaves exactly as the owner.
my explanation, perhaps very personal, is that the problem lies in the influence of real money in this game and that, therefore, this game is no longer a pure game. but that's another issue.

Well, two days ago i bought a dvd movie. I do not know its title in english, but i could translate it as 'the revange of a blond'
This is a very funny movie, it is the story of a girl belonging to the very upper class that will never have any money concerns in her whole life. She is dressing with rose garments and she has a mini dog. But her boyfriend betrayed her...
So she decides to follow him to study the law to try to get him back with her. I will not unfold the story, its a very funny one, but at the end she says that passion should be present in the justice field

I do not know if this is relevant with the topic tackled here, but by the way, it came to my mind...

Thanks to everyone who posted here:
barzoomonkey, haterz, gbee, Gentleman sefton, dyno, specialJ, roughneck freed zoglog pirateking megamanV, shade tezmac bast my master ;-) (tell me if i am a good apprentice lol)
nsfy kefeck saint michael carnonize sacredpeanut jonnyhwas, qbranger, mikel stephen chappy snk3r thoop ssimino, forgebird vestax blarg maesltrom qbpweredbymuhu and jonathan

i hope i did not forget somebody, you are so numerous
well guys (girls? things? god?) you have been making this thread living!
thanks to you!

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] February 15 2006 3:55 AM EST


If you want to apprentice, it should definitely be with Soup. He's usually looking for acolytes.

***Legally Blonde! She wears "pink". ;)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 15 2006 3:56 AM EST

Did it star Reese Witherspoon? If so, it's probably 'Legally BLonde'. :) There's even a sequal. ;)

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] February 15 2006 4:00 AM EST


Dirt slow, you are!

AdminG Beee February 15 2006 5:32 AM EST

The fact they know the title of that movie tells me a lot about both Bast and GL.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 15 2006 5:35 AM EST

Never watched it, honest guv!

Claire owns it on DVD...

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] February 15 2006 5:35 AM EST


That when we get together for movie night, he gets to choose what we watch?

Xiaz on Hiatus February 15 2006 5:38 AM EST

I love the translation, the revenge of a blonde, lol, sounds like a horror film!

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] February 15 2006 6:07 AM EST

For those hard to reach places when sunbathing we should take a hint from Family Guy.
Turn into a pale white dog, go into a bar feeling depressed and order a martini and just wait for the next hot chick to wave at you! :D

QBsutekh137 February 15 2006 9:46 AM EST

I don't think being a role model is something someone always consciously decides to do... I know I usually don't. I just try to be aware when I am having more influence than average (and don't always do so well at that, according to some).

I never thought (and never will think) the word "pornographer" is a "bad word", even in the PG sense of Carnage Blender. Especially not when it is merely part of the name of a rather wonderful musical group with the most beautiful woman on the planet in it (yes, she is fully clothed at all times except on particularly warm evenings at the Grand Ole Opry).

I didn't think my chat-op privileges were removed for any sort of role model ideal. I always figured it was just that I shot my mouth off and sort of "dared" you to take away my privileges (if my behavior was, in fact, unacceptable). You took me up on it. *smile* All good fun for the annals of CB history!

PirateKing February 15 2006 10:07 AM EST

I thank the heavens above that I am not a role model. The lawsuits alone would destroy civilization if I were. :P

AdminJonathan February 15 2006 10:31 AM EST

Odd, I thought you were serious.

I guess those psychologist guys were right.

PirateKing February 15 2006 10:35 AM EST

From the above link:

"People write absolutely, incredibly stupid things in company e-mails," said Flynn.


I think the person could have left off the "in company e-mails" and been just as, if not more, accurate. :P

UltimaSpock [Forge Frog Services] February 15 2006 10:39 AM EST

lol

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] February 15 2006 10:41 AM EST

No information on whether the 30 pairs were strangers to one another or not, but I'm guessing they were randomly matched -- which makes the any in "I've only a 50-50 chance of ascertaining the tone of any e-mail message." somewhat misleading.

QBsutekh137 February 15 2006 12:56 PM EST

/me bows deeply in Jonathan's direction.

Thank you, sir, and great link!

NSFY February 15 2006 1:11 PM EST

Bah! Our emeritus strategist laureate would be tragically wasted and stifled as a chat-op. That's like asking Julia Child to flip burgers!!!

No offense to the burger flippers

...well yeah go ahead and take offense. :p

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 15 2006 1:40 PM EST

I used to be a burger flipper. So I'll take used offense. If any one else wants it, apart from me it's only had one good lady owner, but is a bit grease stained. Mmmmmm, special sauce! Oh, and never try and sneak an un boxed Big Mac out of work on top of your head, under your cap. It never works! ;)

sssimmo February 15 2006 4:55 PM EST

There are plenty of way to bump the % chance of others understanding your tone. Here are some exemples:

:) ;) :D :-O :P

Mikel February 15 2006 8:13 PM EST

I think there was some confusion on one of my previous posts.
I wasn't planning on drinking the wine.. just cooking my Salmon in it for extra flavor. :)

Stephen February 15 2006 11:16 PM EST

Well, all the great chefs will tell you if the wine isn't good enough to drink you shouldn't cook with it either!

Xiaz on Hiatus February 15 2006 11:18 PM EST

Funny, because when they tell you this, they aren't sober. :)

Bull3t F4c3 February 16 2006 12:08 AM EST

everyone has their own view on the usd value of the cb dollar...obviously some people think its too high and some think its too low. i was telling matrim why no one signed up to buy into his game..because it was very little chance for a person to win..and more of a chance to lose money... also ranger has always been an advocate of hitting usd/cb prices in the groin... when it used to be 15 per mil...he would say 12 in order for the seller to drop to 13-14. ranger is a good businessman, and thats just part of it... BUT unless you are desperate to sell, why take a cash cut?...if no one sold their cb2 for less than 15 per mil..all the sellers would hold a monopoly and buyers would have no choice but to buy at that price...i was not trying to troll at all..and i dont "dislike" anyone in the game..but i some how get the feeling people dislike me

Mem February 16 2006 12:18 AM EST

Isn't this silly thread over yet?

Mikel February 16 2006 12:26 AM EST

Well maybe that is the problem, I'm not a big wine drinker to begin with. Gimme Vodka and anything to mix it with and I'm good to go. I just can't see myself cooking with Vodka.. I'd probably start a fire if I did that. The alcohol burns out when you cook it, so you don't want to waste a good expensive wine by cooking it, you are buying the wine for the extra flavor it adds at next to zero calories... :)

cb1}Bull3t F4c don't worry about who doesn't like you, just find some that you like and be cool to them, and you'll be fine. If I worried about everyone that doesn't like me, I'd have no time to spend my BA :P

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] February 16 2006 12:50 AM EST

So, if you are buying cheap wine, you intend to add bad flavor with zero calories to your meal?

Do a lot of fishing, do you, Mikel?

PirateKing February 16 2006 1:40 AM EST

Thunderbird goes great with canned tuna and Cheeze-Whiz. :P

Bull3t F4c3 February 16 2006 1:45 AM EST

mikel...actually i don't really care...about anyone...except for the kool people and my clan...so if ur not one of those peeps...i don't like you...

UltimaSpock [Forge Frog Services] February 16 2006 2:03 AM EST

thanks for your first message c3 bullet.

Flamey February 16 2006 2:37 AM EST

wow that must make you an idiot with that post.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] February 16 2006 2:38 AM EST


Pots & kettles, Flamey. Be careful.

Flamey February 16 2006 2:39 AM EST

whats that mean bast?


and i was talking about bullet face not spock

PirateKing February 16 2006 2:44 AM EST

Flamey, you are treading in dangerous territory. I suggest a quick brush-up on capital letters and punctuation before locking horns with Bast. I once did the same without the proper preparation and look at my sorry condition now. :P

Stephen February 16 2006 2:46 AM EST

PK, they're at it in the HTML thread too....

Xiaz on Hiatus February 16 2006 2:49 AM EST

PK, I think you've been in that condition before Bast arrived at these shores. :P

PirateKing February 16 2006 3:13 AM EST

"PK, I think you've been in that condition before Bast arrived at these shores."

Details, details......

I prefer to blame others for my shortcomings, and Bast happens to be the target of choice for now. :P

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] February 16 2006 3:16 AM EST


Fish sandwich, PK?

PirateKing February 16 2006 3:22 AM EST

Yes, please. I want a tuna sandwich. Be sure to add chopped onions. And please serve it with a pickle wedge and a cold glass of milk too, please.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] February 16 2006 3:42 AM EST


You'll have to get Mikel to take you fishing. I don't do "canned" seafood.

PirateKing February 16 2006 4:49 AM EST

You're such a tease. :D

Special J February 16 2006 6:39 AM EST

Next person that tosses an insult that took no thought process to come up with gets a special prize.

The more ambiguous the better!

AdminG Beee February 16 2006 6:40 AM EST

Mikel said, "I just can't see myself cooking with Vodka..."

That may be the case but you should definitely try "cooking your vodka".

Get yourself some Haribo and stick about 20 into your full Vodka bottle (you'll need to sip out a couple of measures to make space - bonus!). Only use the coloured ones with the white gummy stuff on the back and never ever use green ones as they turn the Vodka a yucky brown. Close your Vodka bottle and seal with gaffer tape to make sure there's no "leakage".
Put your now sealed bottle into the Dish Washer on max temp and let it go for the full cycle. When it's done chill the Vodka to normal room temp and pour into a glass with a couple of ice cubes - there you have it - your very own funky coloured flavoured Vodka... It's scrumdiddlyishish !

QBJohnnywas February 16 2006 6:57 AM EST

I do a nice pasta sauce with vodka where most people put in red wine. Nice fresh tomatoes, onion, garlic, a couple of chopped chillies, some oregano, basil and a nice big red pepper. Serve it up with grilled chicken and tagliatelle.

Most people think vodka has no taste or odour. They are wrong. The cheaper stuff just smells of hospitals to me, but as you spend a bit more money you get quite a wide variety of flavours.

And meanwhile G Beee - Haribo?!? Ah man I want some sweets now! Haribo Sours go really well with vodka and cranberry!

Special J February 16 2006 8:03 AM EST

Grey Goose FTW

AdminG Beee February 16 2006 8:09 AM EST

DIY is much more fun.

How else can you legally use gaffer tape and Vodka at the same time without getting arrested.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 16 2006 8:13 AM EST

ou could wear the Gaffa tape as mock wearable tape (it goes by another name...) But Gaffa tape would remove to much hair when you take it off! O_O Oh, the Vodka is for drinking to pluck up enough courage to go out in just tape...

chappy [Soup Ream] February 16 2006 8:13 AM EST

You'll have to get Mikel to take you fishing. Stay away from the Ohio River ... *gasp*

Mikel February 16 2006 8:19 AM EST

Bast, why pay $15+ for a bottle of wine to cook with. If you do, then you need to be the star of your own TV Show or cook for a 4 star restaurant, because otherwise, it is impractical for home meals.

*Ohio River... gasps, I would not even let my dog swim in that.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] February 16 2006 8:25 AM EST


I've never made anything that required the whole bottle, thus good wine for cooking and the rest for drinking!

Beans with your fish, Mikel? Lots and lots of beans?

chappy [Soup Ream] February 16 2006 8:32 AM EST

What dish has beans and fish??

And what kind of beans are we talking?

Lima? Pinto? Green? String?

And what kind of fish now that I think about it?

Special J February 16 2006 10:22 AM EST

Never cook with a wine you would not drink/comes in a box.

Mikel February 16 2006 10:54 AM EST

You don't use the Whole bottle? Gee, Don't mind me, I'm just a fisherman who apparently likes beans with his fish.
Your comments are funny the first time, maybe cute the second time and redundant thereafter.

QBBarzooMonkey February 16 2006 3:13 PM EST

I wish I could think of a new subject for this thread to jump to...

Wait, wrong thread for that, that one died.

Congratulations (insert player name here)!
Naw, that's no good either...

I disagree with everyone, and CB2 in no fun anymore!
Nope - too "doom and gloomy"...

I haven't got anything to sell, and already have a contest going...

Sorry, I've got nothing - carry on with "cooking with wine while insulting each other" :)

demonzx February 18 2006 3:03 AM EST

I feel like this GAME is becoming like a police state. People have few freedoms and CB controls nearly every facet of the user's day-to-day operations. I want this GAME to be a republic, with people appointed to lead, not a communist-dictatorship...

demonzx February 18 2006 3:06 AM EST

Oh yeah, I forgot to add one other thing. It seems like the people who have all the $$$ in this game are the ones who control every thing. C'mon it is a flipping GAME not a competetive sport. So don't run CB like one. I think reform may be needed...

SNK3R February 18 2006 3:14 AM EST

Yes, because Ranger, Mikel, and Freed (to name a few) have the 'control' to do anything to any user including ban anyone they please. =\

QBJohnnywas February 18 2006 3:15 AM EST

If CB was built around REAL communism it would mean that everyone was equal, the wealth would be shared by everybody and the people would make the decisions. As it is CB is more like most of the so-called civilised West, where money buys you position.

And I have the same answer I always have for those who whine about the state of play -
You Don't Have To Be Here.

demonzx February 18 2006 3:37 AM EST

We should all protest and call for reform! Oh yeah, when I said communist-dictatorship, you must not have seen the DICTATORSHIP part. If you look up what a communist-dictatorship is, it is basically a police state. The rich people are the KGB here. If this continues, I think there should be another warning when you sign up for CB:

"WARNING!!!

If you do not have a credit card or Paypal, you will have no say in what goes on in CB. If you do have one of the latter, congratulations, you will have dictatorial powers from day one! Have fun doing whatever you please! Remember:

PAY OR DIE!!!"

SNK3R February 18 2006 3:39 AM EST

Again, I'll make my point:

I don't see Ranger, Mikel, and Freed (to name a few--again) saying what goes on in CB just because they are some folks who spend $USD.

PirateKing February 18 2006 3:40 AM EST

Not true. I have a CC and a PP account, yet I have absolutely no power over this game or anyone in it....


... except to annoy and pester them. :P

demonzx February 18 2006 3:40 AM EST

CB is anything but civilized. It is

NOT

fair at all. i mean c'mon,

IT IS A GAME!!!

I hope there isn't a fine for using a lot of caps... lol. Whatever.

QBJohnnywas February 18 2006 3:41 AM EST

I think you're missing something here too. This place is FREE. F. R. E. E.

Not all the so-called Top players spend RL money on this place. I can name quite a few people here who have some influence. Without spending a penny apart from supportership.

SNK3R February 18 2006 3:42 AM EST

Yeah, like Grant. He keeps Jon in line with a whip. *crack!*

Only kidding, Grant. ;)

Xiaz on Hiatus February 18 2006 3:46 AM EST

Hey, that guy's stealing the

Giant Text

thing I do!

Burn! You evil man! Burn!

demonzx February 18 2006 3:47 AM EST

It is all about people have huge amounts of power over others!!! Noone short of the creators of CB should be able to do things that the top 1% of Cb can do! I mean someone that is lvl 1,000 should be able to do the same things someone at lvl 2,000,000 can. Noone short of the creators of CB should have as much influence as the upper players do.

demonzx February 18 2006 3:49 AM EST

I LIKE GIANT TEXT.

BY THE WAY I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF YOU IN MY ENTIRE LIFE SO GO AWAY

QBJohnnywas February 18 2006 3:52 AM EST

Demonzx, who has power over other players? Nobody has any power over me. Or anybody else I know here.

You want to lay off that stuff you're smoking. It's making you paranoid.

QBJohnnywas February 18 2006 3:55 AM EST

Actually that's not entirely true. Bast cracks the whip over quite a few people.

But they ask for it.

[T]Vestax February 18 2006 4:07 AM EST

*edited some annoying html

See, I have the power to make your giant text look puny once again. I haven't spent a single RL penny on this game. I don't have a Paypal and I only have Debit Card. I think it's about time your universe collapsed now.

demonzx February 18 2006 4:16 AM EST

Yeah, you can bite me. I can say what I want in this forum(That is within reason). If I get a penalty for it, it will only prove my point...

[T]Vestax February 18 2006 4:34 AM EST

How does it prove your point? Your not making sense. The list of admins and sub-admins can be found under "FAQs" >> "Admins". There you will notice that the richest people in CB are not among that list.

One of the richest people in the game, and the person with the most powerful character is pleading for something to be done about another player. If the rich are so powerful then why would they need to even ask. As for CB cash, your right, its a play thing and I can make it go away if I want. Money may be important, but it sure isn't king around here.

If the top players have any respect amongst the community it has more to do with their character and their knowledge of the game. Not their bank accounts.


Now think about that, if your right then you are just beating your head against a brick wall. You have no money invested in this game so why should we listen? If I'm right then that means your wrong and you're making yourself look like a fool. Fools don't command respect and so either way you fail to have the power to do anything. In either case you would be better off by not posting in the way that you are.

Phrede February 18 2006 4:49 AM EST

I have seen my name come up here a few times in a derogatory sense, so thought I should respond.

1. Yes I do spend USD (actually UKĀ£) here. Several of the purchases I make have been from people who I know and in some cases because they need cash for a holiday, a new job or in one case because of some serious financial problems. I also have donated money to several worthy causes. I also sell a lot of the items I purchase at a loss because I like/know the person (apart from one recent situation).

Also my strat sucks so I have to up my AC quite a bit - but I am learning.

Most people that know me know I am quite a generous person. Even in real life - not that its any of your business - I recently loaned someone a 5 figure sum as they were in serious debt and I had the cash.

For those of you that think I am a rich person that is crap. I have worked hard/am working hard for my money.

When I am away on business I often have to purchase internet time in the hotel. I see this as dedication to the game I enjoy - nothing else.

2. I have no say in what goes on in CB - I am not an Admin, not a chat op - I am nothing but an enthusiastic player. I have given lots of CB2$ to the economy (just look at the named items I have).

If cb2 suddenly bans the use of USD then sobeit - I would be better off :)

I just cant stand people having petty snipes at other people in here as well as real life.

my 3 pence sterling worth :)

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] February 18 2006 5:33 AM EST

Hooray for the pound! Down with the Euro!

My 2 shillings worth.
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