Post Ideas for Changemonth Here. (in General)

chappy [Soup Ream] February 21 2006 9:15 AM EST

It may be a little early, but there is only one more week left in Feb, so that means that the second changemonth of 2006 is right around the corner. I thought I'd start a thread were people can voice their thoughts on what they'd like to see and what they are expecting to see this coming changemonth. Please don't use this thread to flame others' ideas as this is just a place to let your ideas be heard. In depth discussions should be taken to a separate thread of it's own.

MY THOUGHTS: I'd like to see either a new item or a new supporter item. I've been a fan of the items that would give HP as a % of trained HP, like TG do for str and Elven gear does for dex. Also I've said this before and I'll say it again :) I'd really like to see the opponents' post battle statistics in addition to mine. This would help see just where the enemy stands at the end of losses, or helps you see if you are overkilling opponents ... This would also make testing items such as AxBow / ExBow much easier.

Now ... Let's hear what you have to say.

QBJohnnywas February 21 2006 9:24 AM EST

I've not brought this up for a while:

The Johnnywas Is Lazy Link

A link in the side frame to take me to my community user page in one click, rather than go through settings.

One tiny little link is all I want for Changemonth.

Oh and stay away from UC unless it's a buff!

PirateKing February 21 2006 9:33 AM EST

*agrees with Johnnywas*

Change anything except UC...... please.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 21 2006 9:49 AM EST

:D Time for an update to my December wish list;

Evasion: Changed. :)

BL. Changed :)

RoS. In the very least, get rid of it lowering the effect your DM has on your own AMF/EC. DM needs that penalty. Otherwise, it and the RoS get added to every team. More so than the ToA is considered top end now. Do we really want to go back to 4 minion + massive, un counterable AS teams dominating, like CB1?

Get rid of the useless items. Why are DCMs (Tulwars!) in the game?

Add in a percentage based physical damage reducer. We've got two Magic damage ones.

Change the Weapon based NW allowance so a whip using tank and a BoNE using tank (that don't go above thier allowance) don't have the same 'power' rating.

And Glory's idea for DM ( I think it had to do with stcking) was nice! :)

QBOddBird February 21 2006 10:06 AM EST

/me misses Archery. *sniffle*

ROBF needs love.

WeaponX February 21 2006 10:22 AM EST

The Last's Fireball hit Grilled Prawns for no damage feel the love Forgebird

Hyrule Castle February 21 2006 11:46 AM EST

something for change month, could be like we were talking about before, where the economic clan gets some sort of bonus to forging, and maybe even a top 15% of econ clans get bonus to forging also

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 21 2006 12:16 PM EST

Could remove the cash rewards from fighting clans (leaving that at just XP) and add it to Econ clans...

Maelstrom February 21 2006 12:27 PM EST

If Johnny gets a lazylink, I want one too :p

QBJohnnywas February 21 2006 12:31 PM EST

Ah Mael. Don't want you to feel left out. If I get a Lazylink you can share! ;)

Angel of Death [Hell Blenders] February 21 2006 12:57 PM EST

a wepon for mages

{CB1}-Mokaba February 21 2006 12:59 PM EST

A scythe for mages?

deifeln February 21 2006 1:04 PM EST

why do mages need a weapon? (I'm not flaming...just asking)

chappy [Soup Ream] February 21 2006 1:09 PM EST

typically mages usually use an orb / swirling crystal / staff / wand .. something of that sort

Bariagan [Demonic Serenity] February 21 2006 1:25 PM EST

Ranged supporter item would be my hope. We have armor, melee, runes, now we need ranged!

HP bonus would be nice but I am not sure if it would be a good idea. Every team could use more hitpoints so unless it was a slot that forced people to choose between good items- e.g. gloves: tulkas, eg, ag or hp boost, almost every team would have one. So far most items seem to have bonus for a particular character type, rather than a generally useful one. Then again, it would make walls more popular. On second thought, why not... I've always wanted to try a wall.

QBBarzooMonkey February 21 2006 1:27 PM EST

I had another fanciful idea recently, and actually started working out details to make sense of it from a programming/game dynamics standpoint (maybe I'll post them in another thread):

Minion Race. Like Human, Elf, Dwarf, Halfling, Orc, Ogre, with each having its own pros, cons, and restrictions (for example, an Ogre gets a major strength & AC bonus, but major magic penalties because they're dumb; an Elf gets serious magic boosts, as well as additional bonus with Elven gear, but trains XP at 1/2 the rate of other minions because they live so long; never more than 1 Elf or Ogre on a character; never an Elf on the same character as an Orc or Ogre). Your basic minion as they exist now would be Human, with different races signified by various plusses and minuses based on that "Human" standard.

It would mean lots of new choices, but would probably be crazy programming...

QBsutekh137 February 21 2006 1:28 PM EST

Jonathan has never liked wand or staff weapon ideas. Not sure if they are on the FORS or not (and too lazy to look)...

Fat Rob February 21 2006 2:22 PM EST

Would it be possible to add in cummulative battle statistics?

Like, I'd like to see what my average ranged damage is after 100 battles. Then I'd want to switch to an Elven Long Bow and see what my damage amounts to after another 100 damage.

[CB1]cheez-its February 21 2006 5:33 PM EST

how about alphabetizing (spelling?) lists in wiki small change huge convenience

for example when looking for forging formulas

SNK3R February 21 2006 5:36 PM EST

Or you could just hit Control+F and type the name in. ;)

Maelstrom February 21 2006 5:45 PM EST

Or you could just alphabetize it yourself (or make an a page with alphabetized listing), since that's what the wiki is all about.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] February 21 2006 6:08 PM EST

It would be nice to find out what's going on with the BlackMarket voting this month.

Flamey February 21 2006 11:45 PM EST

mage weapons would be great and, the health booster stuff. new items is always good maybe a bit more variety instead of VB/MH/BoTH.

that race one is cool but dont think it will ever happen.

i know this sounds crazy, but how about another slot for armor like an amulet or something. they would boost one stat/skill with an AC of 0. like with each + it would boost BL, or GA etc. by 1%. kind of like a tattoo with a lesser effect.

oh and if you want to say anything about my post please do

deifeln February 22 2006 1:34 AM EST

I know this has been suggested before, but....

/me wants PANTS!


Dark Dreky February 22 2006 2:21 AM EST

I like your idea Flamey. But maybe you wouldnt have to create a new slot for amulets... you could count it as Helm's. Just have the magic item bonus be specific (+DD, HP, ST, Evasion, whatever) and have it give no AC bonus.

Just make the upgrade costs steep and make them unforgable because the item is purely based on magical enchantments. This could even lead to magic item creation (which could be a different KIND of forging) way down the line.... I dont even know if this makes sense, its way past my bedtime :p

stabilo [Lonesome fighter] February 22 2006 6:19 AM EST

maybe enhance:

"You are awarded $111 and your Minions receive 226 exp each.
You have $186,688. Battle allocation: 22."


"You are awarded $111, 2 clan points and your Minions receive 226 exp each.
You have $186,688. Battle allocation: 22."

QBJohnnywas February 22 2006 8:01 AM EST

Hearing aids and glasses for the more elderly warriors amongst the ranks....

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 22 2006 8:40 AM EST

"deifeln, 1:34 AM EST
I know this has been suggested before, but....

/me wants PANTS!


:D As long as that included things like "Codpiece of Deflection" or Codpiece of Attraction"! :D

QBJohnnywas February 22 2006 8:44 AM EST

What was that 80's band called - WASP was it? With the flame thrower codpiece?

QBRanger February 22 2006 8:46 AM EST

Perhaps a TOA boost.

Remember the good old days when there were 6 or 7 of the top characters using a TOA and all the TOA bashing threads?

Now there are only 2 TOA users in the top 15.

Ah, the good old days of the TOA bashing.

Hakai [Aye Phelta Thi] February 22 2006 9:20 AM EST

As Originally Posted by chappy:
"Also I've said this before and I'll say it again :) I'd really like to see the opponents' post battle statistics in addition to mine. This would help see just where the enemy stands at the end of losses, or helps you see if you are overkilling opponents ..."

I agree wholeheartedly with this idea; I have been thinking this since I started. It would be great to be able to see how you stacked up as far as the stats go, rather than try to add/subtract from the battle screen info. Hopefully this will be looked into in the near future.

/me crosses her fingers

QBsutekh137 February 22 2006 9:57 AM EST

Johnny, it wasn't a flame thrower, as I recall. It was a circular saw blade. Considering the title of the album, a saw blade made more sense than a flame thrower.

Tipper had a LOT of fun with WASP...

QBJohnnywas February 22 2006 9:59 AM EST

Sut, you're right about the chainsaw, but I googled it and apparently a flame thrower was an application of choice for Blackie as well. One that spat flames for twenty feet.

I'm not sure I'd be happy wearing one of those. The thought of friendly fire would be uppermost in my mind....

QBJohnnywas February 22 2006 10:00 AM EST

* circular saw not chain saw.

Actually can we have some chainsaws in CB...

QBBarzooMonkey February 22 2006 10:03 AM EST

Now Johnny is my hero for bringing up Blackie Lawless and his many codpieces! :)

QBsutekh137 February 22 2006 10:04 AM EST

And he even brought it back around to be on topic! I want chainsaws too!!!!!! *smile*

stabilo [Lonesome fighter] February 22 2006 12:14 PM EST

I have another idea:

Please add Character Standings for players that never used US$ (except directly to Jonathan for naming or supportership).

this would be great and i could finally see how god or bad i really am ;-)

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] February 22 2006 12:26 PM EST

The words "impossible to implement" come to mind stabilo.

PirateKing February 22 2006 12:28 PM EST

Actually Zog, the words "None of your business" come to mind when I see stabilo's idea.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] February 22 2006 12:32 PM EST

I have committed myself to a CB life with less confrontational words PK :P

QBBarzooMonkey February 22 2006 12:40 PM EST

i could finally see how god or bad i really am

But if you are a deity, aren't you omniscient, and thus already know?

deifeln February 22 2006 1:23 PM EST


Leather Chaps?

chappy [Soup Ream] February 22 2006 1:26 PM EST

no thanks, I prefer Suede

Maelstrom February 22 2006 2:00 PM EST

i could finally see how god or bad i really am

Since Stabilo has admitted that he is not omniscient, he cannot be a god, therefore he must be bad.

Don't you love logic?

PirateKing February 22 2006 2:07 PM EST


Seconded. I'm sick of seeing Maelstrom going around pantsless. :P

stabilo [Lonesome fighter] February 22 2006 2:09 PM EST

well, at least i wanna know how bad i am ;-)

Caedmon [Revenge of the Forgers] February 22 2006 2:17 PM EST

(Warning: post from someone who teaches logic for a living...)

Since when are all gods omniscient? I dare say the Greek Titans didn't see their overthrow coming. Let's see there was Chronos, Rhea, the Professor, Mary Ann...

Sukotto [lookingglas] February 22 2006 2:38 PM EST

Someday I'm going to name a pair of CML as "pants". Assuming Jon never creates a real pair of pants in this game. #281 "Pants" strip 281
Can't link directly to the comic in the archives so I'm hosting a copy on imageshack and linking to the Machall archive page showing the comic.

Maelstrom February 22 2006 2:40 PM EST

(I, too, work with logic for what passes as my living. Though admittedly, I use symbols rather than actual meanings...)

You're right Caedmon, but for another reason: it's just plain contradictory to talk about gods and logic in the same sentence. For instance, it is perfectly true for me to state that if gods exist, then I have the most powerful character in CB.

Caedmon [Revenge of the Forgers] February 22 2006 4:05 PM EST

/me would argue that "There are gods" is an unproveable statement, and hence falls outside traditional propositional logic, but that's just /me. :)

Maelstrom February 22 2006 4:12 PM EST

OK, I suppose that might fall under fuzzy logic, but you see my point, right? ;)

stabilo [Lonesome fighter] February 24 2006 8:39 AM EST

another idea:
enhance post-battle stats




MAC is my abbreviation for magical AC, which would also contain AC from MgS, but not the base-AC from other armor. I thus don't know how the TSA could fit into this ..

Dark Dreky February 24 2006 9:15 AM EST

How about making archery a viable skill. Maybe a + to damage like BL and a plus to hit, on top of a third hit. Then maybe it would almost be useful.

QBJohnnywas February 24 2006 9:17 AM EST

archery used to be a viable skill. Some claimed it was too good. So it was nerfed.

chappy [Soup Ream] February 24 2006 9:19 AM EST

I'd like to see a skill like archery ... multi-shot for arrows / bolts. I know that it would be too overpowered with an ELB right now .. so I'm certain that there would have to be a reduction in damage .. much like dd spells that hit multiple targets.


with one target you hit for 100k
with 4 targets you hit for 25k

..that would get interesting with axbow / exbow ...

Dark Dreky February 24 2006 6:20 PM EST

Maybe a viable skill for Mages. Granter evasion is good for anyone, but maybe somethin even mage specific. Like spell focus or something, have it reduce the effects of AMF and MgS based on a (#) effect. Or make it do more damage like BL... could have it do different things for different spells? Like decrease the FB splash for FB mages... or maybe have CoC go off in a ranged round, I dunno just throwing out random ideas. I dont really have any concise plans here.

I just think that there are so many anti-mage factors to the game that there should be a way to fight it. Maybe have DM dispel AMF somehow (that doesn't really make sense). Ok, I'm gonna stop now =)

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] February 24 2006 7:40 PM EST

I'd like to see a Helm of Intelligence supporter item with one of following properties;

A + based bonus to skills

A Fixed 1% bonus to DD

A Fixed 2% Dex/skill bonus

Xiaz on Hiatus February 24 2006 11:02 PM EST

The HoI was removed from CB2 last year, was it not?

QBOddBird February 24 2006 11:12 PM EST

Beleg's Gloves stink.

However, they'd be nice if Beleg would give us the rest of the set, assuming they all had the same bonus....think we could take a dip in his closet this changemonth? ^_^

Bariagan [Demonic Serenity] February 25 2006 12:22 AM EST

I still hope for a ranged weapon
Possible Ideas:

2x and do an additional .1% of enemy hp per X added to the item.

Bypass armor similar to vorpal blade

Vampiric ranged weapon

range weapon does not use ammo

On hit reduces enemy chance to hit

deifeln February 25 2006 12:42 AM EST


Low AC
Max upgrade.
No penalty.

I understand this would add NOTHING to the game. /Me just wants pants.

(Flame on)

QBRanger February 25 2006 6:45 AM EST

As someone once said-Real Men Fight Naked.

However TAB is made of a bunch of wimps.

chappy [Soup Ream] February 27 2006 5:03 PM EST

Just a couple days before the MadNeSs begins!!!

Angel of Death [Hell Blenders] February 28 2006 5:27 AM EST

decrease ToA's, make the 1minion mages rule cb2 :p

chappy [Soup Ream] February 28 2006 9:16 PM EST

Less than 3 hours to go!!!

Undertow February 28 2006 9:33 PM EST


A GIANT FRIGGIN LINK on the front page that takes you to where I KNOW Jon has said that multi minion teams make slightly more XP than single minion teams.

QBRanger February 28 2006 9:36 PM EST


Check this thread out:

Here it states, by Jon, that the xp from multi-minion teams is the same as that of single minion teams.

It was a mistake made in the beginning on the train page, when you wanted to hire a minion, that multi-minino teams make more than single minion teams.

Maelstrom February 28 2006 9:47 PM EST

It wasn't a mistake, it was just left over from CB1...

QBPixel Sage February 28 2006 10:19 PM EST

How about Magic Nuclear Missile? Oh wait... all battles would end in a draw...

chappy [Soup Ream] February 28 2006 10:59 PM EST

One hour!!

Anything on YOUR mind??

[T]Vestax February 28 2006 11:47 PM EST

Take your children out of the streets! Chain up the dog! Pour yourself a cocktail and hide under the sheets with your computer! Cause here it comes, Change Month is here in 13 minutes!!!

Flamey February 28 2006 11:49 PM EST

im guessing jon changes it as soon as it hits 12 AM?

QBPixel Sage February 28 2006 11:57 PM EST

I'm guessing he doesn't, though I may be wrong. They may just be counting down for the fun of it =D

Hakai [Aye Phelta Thi] February 28 2006 11:59 PM EST

my prediction: Jon changes changemonth to next month! lol just to mess with you all and to diminish your anticipation. lol

chappy [Soup Ream] March 1 2006 12:01 AM EST

QBPixel Sage March 1 2006 12:02 AM EST


[T]Vestax March 1 2006 12:03 AM EST

But that would put change month during April. The worst change month ever. Where he takes back every change he makes and says, "April Fools!"

Hakai [Aye Phelta Thi] March 1 2006 12:06 AM EST

that'd be awesome, vestex....complete chaos.../me laughs just thinking about the reactions...

Karmic Mishap [Soup Ream] March 1 2006 1:33 AM EST

Everybody has always wanted to be able to edit their own posts, but the problems with such a thing have always barred it from happening. Maybe there could be an <editable> tag that shows things in a unique HTML style, while still being editable to the post author. This would illustrate to others exactly WHAT has been changed/can be changed, preventing ppl from scamming with this tag.

QBPixel Sage March 1 2006 2:04 AM EST

It may be <editable> kind of </editable> hard to <editable> code this </editable> if various sections of <editable> the post </editable> happened to have <editable> editable </editable> tags in <editable> it </editable> .

chappy [Soup Ream] March 1 2006 7:59 AM EST

Here's what I'd like to see...

Auction changes ...

Here's how I want the auctions to work... Say you are looking at an auction for a pair of base AG that say Shade is selling... We'll say it has a minimum bid of 1mil and bid increments of 100k. If I see the auction and bid 2 million and there are no other bids then my bid goes in at 1million (because nobody has outbid me). Then we'll say Ranger sees the auction and bids 1.5 million. Since I've already did higher, the current bid of the auction goes up to Ranger's 1.5 bid + the next bid increment (100k) making my new current bid 1.6 million.

Essentially when you're bidding you would be putting in your maximum bid and not just your current bid. Obviously the $ for your max bid would be deducted from your character at the time you place the bid and the remainder that you 'over bid' would be returned to you if you win the auction. This is the way eBay works to the best of my knowledge and I think it's a little better system .. this would help fix the problem of central bank taking things out from under our noses .. I understand that you're supposed to bid what you think the item's worth, but what's wrong with getting a better than average deal??

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] March 1 2006 8:06 AM EST

That's not made the FORS list because it's not "retarded" just too difficult, yes?

Jokers2587 March 1 2006 8:30 AM EST

Actually, that is pretty much how all auctions are, you place a max. bid down for yourself, and the computer takes out the minimum of that bid to win the auction at the time. You don't have to keep checking on that item every 5 minutes to see if you're still winning it.

Sukotto [lookingglas] March 1 2006 9:16 AM EST

@chappy: Jon has rejected this idea already. He seems to feel that, if you want the item enough, then you'll stick around to continue bidding on it.

Maelstrom March 1 2006 10:15 AM EST

He didn't reject it - in fact it is active for the Central Bank account. He just doesn't have the time to get it working for everyone...

QBRanger March 1 2006 10:44 AM EST

Has Central Bank ever bid twice on an item?

If not, then the programming Jon is using is not like Ebay's auction system but just a simple threshold program.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 1 2006 10:51 AM EST

yes, but I think only early on.

QBBarzooMonkey March 1 2006 12:45 PM EST

I just thought of one: Minion Gender. For no other reason than the Play-by-Play. Everything is always his, his, his, and Regan The WonderDog is a girl and is always offended by this! Ladies, back me up here! :D

QBRanger March 1 2006 12:53 PM EST

Or Kano-san vs Kano-saness

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] March 1 2006 4:48 PM EST

I've been wearing my gender-specific possessives protest burqha for a long, long time, Barzoo! It's not just the minions.

maulaxe March 1 2006 8:53 PM EST

sounds like one sexy burqha...
or would that be burquess?

Bull3t F4c3 March 1 2006 11:29 PM EST

i want to see carnage blender go back to 1 panel, or at least have a toggle switch to "classic view" so that us cb1r's can reminice some more

sssimmo March 2 2006 9:52 AM EST

Let's have the "sssimmo wins" change. All ST boosting bonus applied after GS!

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] March 2 2006 11:18 AM EST

Nerf RoS and ToE

QBJohnnywas March 2 2006 11:21 AM EST

How about we actually have a changemonth this month, with some changes that actually make us revise our strategy ideas and maybe come up with some new ones?

Come on Jon, isn't that little one of yours old enough yet to contribute some ideas? Fresh blood and all that?

QBRanger March 2 2006 12:07 PM EST

How about boosting Belegs?

Like giving them lets say 3-5% archery skill per +. So then there will be a choice between BG, TG and EG's.

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] March 2 2006 12:14 PM EST

yes a boost to BG or archery would be good.

chappy [Soup Ream] March 11 2006 8:20 AM EST

I got an idea ... how some strategy altering changes ... :)

{CB1}Lukeyman March 11 2006 9:32 AM EST

Make a DD+% Boots

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] March 11 2006 1:13 PM EST

Unsuck the SNK3R theme!

Tezmac March 11 2006 3:10 PM EST

I'd like to see the weapon allowance based off of MPR reduced and have a armor allowance added. Pretty simple.

Rizz March 11 2006 3:24 PM EST

Wiki search. Aswell as refresh frames (except chat). Maybe an url bar for the main frame, so that you can open a link in te current frame and not have to leave cb or open a new one - like so you can copy and paste a link and then goto it.

WeaponX March 11 2006 3:25 PM EST

Remove the top 10 exemption
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