Killed DarthToka for not knowing when to stop. (in Public Record)
March 1 2006 4:55 PM EST
After asking DarthToka to stop talking about a previous subject, he went on about it. Resulting in a /kick
after coming back he started talking about 'almost getting through the day without being kicked'
imo such a person doesn't belong in chat and this is why I killed him.
Also he has a history of being kicked often and picking fights with other players and chat ops.
March 1 2006 5:03 PM EST
Heh, watch out for "Killer DarthToka"!
It's interesting how many different combinations of words you can make with just moving your fingers a little left or right on the keyboard. ;)
March 1 2006 5:05 PM EST
Bah: you could have hinted me this typo in pm, fixed thread title.
March 1 2006 5:06 PM EST
I did tell you in public chat, you just didn't see it. :)
March 1 2006 5:07 PM EST
I made light of the incident and you decided to issue a /kill out of what seems to be a personal problem with me. Not one other OP the entire day has said a thing to me that wasn't simple passing conversation. You took things out of context and decided to abuse your power. Way to go. With ops like you, no wonder the turnover rate in this game is so high. Kudos to you! The "history" you make reference to is all of one day in which I was questioning the reasons behind your repeated kicks. All I wanted was an answer to which I believe I'm entitled as a player, a supporter and just out of courtesy. You should have your op status removed untill you know the definitions of the words "fair" and "impartial". If you'd like to review the log I have in order to see where YOUR mistake was, I'll be happy to send it. In the future I'll be sure to remain completely silent when you're around because I wouldn't want to further add to my "disruptive" history.
March 1 2006 5:15 PM EST
Just out of boredom I reviewed the chat log. "fair" and "impartial" are not the key words here. "paying attention to warnings" is.
March 1 2006 5:28 PM EST
Shade told me to stop recalling being ignored. I corrected what was on his part an incorrect assumption. That's what started this. That wasn't a warning, that was a mistake. A warning is valid when it pertains to something your are actually doing, not something someone thinks you're doing. There IS a difference. This was simple a mistake which got blown out of proportion by someone with an itchy trigger finger.
March 1 2006 5:31 PM EST
I asked you to stop an argument with another player, for what it's worth, and you didn't stop that, so I kicked you.
Sorry I decided to add my two cents to this.
DarthToka argueing with an op rarely gets you anywhere. Sometimes you might get an apology or whatever but removing op status. But I think I should let you know a little secret. Hopefully it will stop you from challenging players like Shade. He is not just an op. He is a sub-admin. Which means he is obviously very trusted and very tried by the other players of CB2. Next time you decide you HAVE to argue with an op.... just dont... but if you have to... choose another one.
thank you shade, that guy was bugging me, he's an annoying little kid who thinks he is the smartest guy in the world
go shade go
i could have sworn he was an older gentleman
i wish he would stop argueing as Shade has much more influence. Darth, no sense in arguing my man. Bart, being a very high official has already declard you in the wrong. The only one you can appeal to is Jon and i am just going to say that i am absolutly sure he will side with shade and Bart.
Just give it up, it really isnt that big of a deal. I would like to see you in chat another day.
March 1 2006 6:37 PM EST
In my opinion, Shade is one of the most tolerant and fair ops/admins I've seen. DarthToka, I'm sure you got whatever you deserved.
Toka, you know where I stand on this. We've talked about it extensively. Please. Listen to my advice. Don't leave because of some disagreements that can be easily ignored...
March 1 2006 6:44 PM EST
I'm with Mael on this. Shade is one of the good guys.
March 1 2006 7:10 PM EST
/me hugs shadah and his sweet op powers
March 1 2006 7:12 PM EST
This isn't aboutmy opinion on Shade as a person, simply the process which led to the original kick. He asked me not to do what I wasn't doing anyway. When I clarified what I was in fact doing, he took that as my doing what he'd told me not to, which again was not the case. Then came the kick. When I came back in, I stated that that had been my only kick for the day and I'd almost made it through the day without one. Enter the kill. So I make a light hearted remark having nothing to do with the previous subject matter and got a /kill for it. Now, after all that, was the kill really warranted? I know I'm the new guy on the block and all, but look at it objectively without prior opinions of the people involved and then decide. That's all, consider it squashed.
March 1 2006 7:15 PM EST
So you have a history of being /kicked? Ops tend to have less sympathy for repeat offenders...
March 1 2006 7:16 PM EST
umm...can someone close this thread already?
Please quit CB. Thanks.
Toka, don't quit. Just chalk this up as a learning experience. Arguing with other players does not typically go over very well, and you were shown this via a kick. You then admit you kept on arguing the subject and complaining things weren't fair, and got killed.
Is this strict? Yes. Is it wrong? Not necessarily. And what is done is done. Just forget the matter, let bygones be bygones, and get back to blending. I am afraid if you keep arguing the way you have been, you will only end up getting yourself silenced completely. And you don't really want that, do you?
March 1 2006 9:00 PM EST
indeed, darthtaco; don't sweat it. I've been in far worse situations with 48s, etc...you can only make it worse now =/
lots of people make mistakes, including noobs and ops. you can't un-do a kill so there isnt much left for them to do for ya.
you're smart, tho. i doubt you'll bail cause one person atm. =)
March 1 2006 9:23 PM EST
March 1 2006 10:59 PM EST
DarthToka, I see that you are getting a lack of sympathy for your situation. Let me explain why. You're under the impression that a kick is a small thing, and indeed it is, but it is still a rare occurrence for the majority of CB's players. Most people are either kicked a lot or never kicked at all. You speak as if you fall into the first category. These people have a history of being multis or being banned for causing trouble. So your association with them leads people to think that you're a punk kid like the rest of them who probably deserved it one way or the other. The solution? Don't prove them right.
I'm not really asking you to drop it like others are, I'm asking that you understand us a little better. You may be unaccustomed to our ways and our rules, but I assure you that after a few months you would be praising them as well. The strictness of CB has its benefits, one of which is the maturity level of the community. Arguing for the sake of arguing, or even worse, for the sake of actually convincing someone of an opposing view, is frowned upon highly. The reason is that history shows that when people are set in their ways, they never change their mind, thus making the argument only more hostile the further it goes on.
Youthful people often don't understand this at first because they themselves, as well as their peers, are still easily influenced. This means that they are accustom to people changing their ways and accepting what they hear on a day-to-day basis. Yet, as you get older, you get more set in your ways and you find yourself somehow being on the "right" side of the argument much more then on the "wrong" side. Maybe there comes a point when you become open-minded again, but I don't think people of that age play MMORPG's yet. Take PK for example, he's old but apparently not old enough. :)
Stick around and enjoy yourself. Shade isn't a bad guy and if you ask him for some advise you will see that for yourself. Click on and enjoy.
March 1 2006 11:12 PM EST
I have a solution for you.
Type : /join Supreme
March 2 2006 3:24 AM EST
hehehe I'm becoming more aware of the whole idea behind the community guidelines and why they're the way they are. The irretractable opinions are something to overcome however as I'm used to being able to raise an issue with someone and reaching a compromise somewhere along the line, this being the way adults handle things. Obviously not the case herre as many of you have pointed out. As for you "Yay Shade, quit the game DarthToka." zealots: I'm not going anywhere, and your juvenile attempts won't make it so. Simply avoiding Shade seems like it'll work well enough. Thanks for the encouragement from those of you who've provided it. I'll be sure not to look down to see the other half. <insert smug smile-ish thingy here>
March 2 2006 6:15 AM EST
Let me give you an example.
In my first days of cb2, I got kicked 2 times by Shade. I did the same as you, argued and even got a full admin involved. Guess what, Shade was correct. I learned from that experience and now Shade and I are quite good friends in cb.
A kick is just a warning. Something to learn by. I am sure, you will both forget why very soon if this post was not made.
Just take a step back, let the emotions of the moment fade. Then come back to chat. We would love to have another person join the cb community.
March 2 2006 11:19 AM EST
for all you "Yay Shade, quit the game DarthToka." zealots:
Are there any? If there are they should be ashamed of themselves.
March 2 2006 11:35 AM EST
Darth, you have big issues with knowing when to drop a subject and move on in life.
March 2 2006 11:52 AM EST
'irretractable opinions are something to overcome however as I'm used to being able to raise an issue with someone and reaching a compromise somewhere along the line, this being the way adults handle things'
Alternatively you could leave them to their opinions and walk on by. This particular adult doesn't need to prove to anyone that his opinions are right. He just knows. ;)
so if you know that somebody is wrong, all of you agree that it is better to leave him alone and not to insist?
And you say this is an adult behaviour?
March 2 2006 12:12 PM EST
OK, this is getting to the point where we should all be kicked for not knowing when to stop.
Let's let the thread die. We've picked on Darth long enough.
March 2 2006 12:24 PM EST
Nah, why let it die?
I'm with Darth and UltimaSpock on the whole "trying to reach some understanding" thing.
Sadly, though, that doesn't work very well around here. I have never really figured out why, but that has been one constant of both CB1 and CB2. Most folks would rather say "Drop it, it's Jon's game" or "you've got problems" or "get over it" or "let this thread die" than give a little ground and try to reach an understanding. While all of those quoted sentiments are self-consistent and cannot be argued with (yes, it is Jon's game, I _definitely_ have problems, I should get over it, and my threads usually run WAY too long), they aren't very helpful or progressive.
Not sure about what is "adult" or not: I know children who have the maturity of 40-year olds and I know 30-year-olds who have the petulant nature of a toddler.
More power to you, Darth. At least you express yourself succinctly. That gets you in my good graces immediately.
my message was here to defend the darth's point of view ;-)
Well after Sut weighed in, now I cannot resist, so I will instead repeat my Mantra:
In the application of Administrative powers, LESS is MORE.
And yes I believe this applies to chat as well. I hear this game, this community SAY it wants to be good, a place people want to come to, a place where friends and such can be made, yet the ACTIONS of those in charge often run counter to this sentiment. I have always believed and always will believe actions speak louder than words.
March 2 2006 12:48 PM EST
"I know 30-year-olds who have the petulant nature of a toddler..."
YOU DON'T KNOW ME!!!!
Oh, now he'll have to make another "I'd like to thank the Academy, all my supporters, and my lawyer" post, and be accused of further inflammatory behavior. ;)
Well first I'd like to thank the Academy, all my, hey wait..... What am I thanking people for?
March 2 2006 3:03 PM EST
Sute - it is called groupthink. I'm really surprised that you did not get the memo seeing as YOU ARE ONE OF THEM!
Observe the telltale hallmarks:
Collective Rationalization: Members discredit and explain away warning contrary to group thinking.
Illusion of Morality: Members believe their decisions are morally correct, ignoring the ethical consequences of their decisions.
Excessive Stereotyping:The group constructs negative stereotypes of rivals outside the group.
Pressure for Conformity: Members pressure any in the group who express arguments against the group's stereotypes, illusions, or commitments, viewing such opposition as disloyalty.
Self-Censorship: Members withhold their dissenting views and counter-arguments.
Illusion of Unanimity: Members perceive falsely that everyone agrees with the group's decision; silence is seen as consent.
Mindguards: Some members appoint themselves to the role of protecting the group from adverse information that might threaten group complacency.
March 2 2006 4:11 PM EST
Yeah, must have missed that memo. May the good Lord help whoever cc's me on that one.
March 2 2006 4:48 PM EST
DarthToka: i dozed off on my keys
That people, is why some people get lots of kicks.
Having had lots of kicks he now has a !48.
Doom Lit Sky
March 2 2006 9:30 PM EST
LOL!, sorry not encouraging, that actually made me laugh :S
Well, cant say i didnt see it coming. Just to help you out darth, watch out for your posts in forums, you can be forumed banned to. If that happens then you might as well quit the game IMO.
But i believe you will be able to change your name in 30 days, at which you can then re-enter chat, hopefully with a little more of a cb attitude.
seriously tho, how do you fall asleep on your keyboard and not touch more than one key? and then even somehow hit enter halfway across the keyboard, ooooo it seems so easy in my eyes...</sarcasm>
Wow, this makes me wonder if I was Sefton's ideal sub-admin, because "back in the day" (when I was such) I don't think anyone ever did less to enforce the rules. Cripes was I lame.
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