Killed DarthToka for not knowing when to stop. (in Public Record)

AdminShade March 1 2006 4:55 PM EST

After asking DarthToka to stop talking about a previous subject, he went on about it. Resulting in a /kick

after coming back he started talking about 'almost getting through the day without being kicked'

imo such a person doesn't belong in chat and this is why I killed him.

Also he has a history of being kicked often and picking fights with other players and chat ops.

SNK3R March 1 2006 5:03 PM EST

"Killer DarthToka"

Heh, watch out for "Killer DarthToka"!

It's interesting how many different combinations of words you can make with just moving your fingers a little left or right on the keyboard. ;)

AdminShade March 1 2006 5:05 PM EST

Bah: you could have hinted me this typo in pm, fixed thread title.

SNK3R March 1 2006 5:06 PM EST

I did tell you in public chat, you just didn't see it. :)

DarthToka March 1 2006 5:07 PM EST

I made light of the incident and you decided to issue a /kill out of what seems to be a personal problem with me. Not one other OP the entire day has said a thing to me that wasn't simple passing conversation. You took things out of context and decided to abuse your power. Way to go. With ops like you, no wonder the turnover rate in this game is so high. Kudos to you! The "history" you make reference to is all of one day in which I was questioning the reasons behind your repeated kicks. All I wanted was an answer to which I believe I'm entitled as a player, a supporter and just out of courtesy. You should have your op status removed untill you know the definitions of the words "fair" and "impartial". If you'd like to review the log I have in order to see where YOUR mistake was, I'll be happy to send it. In the future I'll be sure to remain completely silent when you're around because I wouldn't want to further add to my "disruptive" history.

bartjan March 1 2006 5:15 PM EST

Just out of boredom I reviewed the chat log. "fair" and "impartial" are not the key words here. "paying attention to warnings" is.

DarthToka March 1 2006 5:28 PM EST

Shade told me to stop recalling being ignored. I corrected what was on his part an incorrect assumption. That's what started this. That wasn't a warning, that was a mistake. A warning is valid when it pertains to something your are actually doing, not something someone thinks you're doing. There IS a difference. This was simple a mistake which got blown out of proportion by someone with an itchy trigger finger.

AdminShade March 1 2006 5:31 PM EST

I asked you to stop an argument with another player, for what it's worth, and you didn't stop that, so I kicked you.

BootyGod March 1 2006 5:51 PM EST

Sorry I decided to add my two cents to this.
DarthToka argueing with an op rarely gets you anywhere. Sometimes you might get an apology or whatever but removing op status. But I think I should let you know a little secret. Hopefully it will stop you from challenging players like Shade. He is not just an op. He is a sub-admin. Which means he is obviously very trusted and very tried by the other players of CB2. Next time you decide you HAVE to argue with an op.... just dont... but if you have to... choose another one.

Angel of Death [Hell Blenders] March 1 2006 6:26 PM EST

thank you shade, that guy was bugging me, he's an annoying little kid who thinks he is the smartest guy in the world
go shade go

Sir Leon [Soup Ream] March 1 2006 6:34 PM EST

i could have sworn he was an older gentleman

i wish he would stop argueing as Shade has much more influence. Darth, no sense in arguing my man. Bart, being a very high official has already declard you in the wrong. The only one you can appeal to is Jon and i am just going to say that i am absolutly sure he will side with shade and Bart.

Just give it up, it really isnt that big of a deal. I would like to see you in chat another day.

Maelstrom March 1 2006 6:37 PM EST

In my opinion, Shade is one of the most tolerant and fair ops/admins I've seen. DarthToka, I'm sure you got whatever you deserved.

Hakai [Aye Phelta Thi] March 1 2006 6:41 PM EST

Toka, you know where I stand on this. We've talked about it extensively. Please. Listen to my advice. Don't leave because of some disagreements that can be easily ignored...

QBJohnnywas March 1 2006 6:44 PM EST

I'm with Mael on this. Shade is one of the good guys.

Blarg March 1 2006 7:10 PM EST

/me hugs shadah and his sweet op powers

DarthToka March 1 2006 7:12 PM EST

This isn't aboutmy opinion on Shade as a person, simply the process which led to the original kick. He asked me not to do what I wasn't doing anyway. When I clarified what I was in fact doing, he took that as my doing what he'd told me not to, which again was not the case. Then came the kick. When I came back in, I stated that that had been my only kick for the day and I'd almost made it through the day without one. Enter the kill. So I make a light hearted remark having nothing to do with the previous subject matter and got a /kill for it. Now, after all that, was the kill really warranted? I know I'm the new guy on the block and all, but look at it objectively without prior opinions of the people involved and then decide. That's all, consider it squashed.

Maelstrom March 1 2006 7:15 PM EST

So you have a history of being /kicked? Ops tend to have less sympathy for repeat offenders...

deifeln March 1 2006 7:16 PM EST

umm...can someone close this thread already?


Please quit CB. Thanks.


Vaynard [Fees Dirt Cheap] March 1 2006 8:33 PM EST

Toka, don't quit. Just chalk this up as a learning experience. Arguing with other players does not typically go over very well, and you were shown this via a kick. You then admit you kept on arguing the subject and complaining things weren't fair, and got killed.

Is this strict? Yes. Is it wrong? Not necessarily. And what is done is done. Just forget the matter, let bygones be bygones, and get back to blending. I am afraid if you keep arguing the way you have been, you will only end up getting yourself silenced completely. And you don't really want that, do you?

drudge March 1 2006 9:00 PM EST

indeed, darthtaco; don't sweat it. I've been in far worse situations with 48s, can only make it worse now =/

lots of people make mistakes, including noobs and ops. you can't un-do a kill so there isnt much left for them to do for ya.

you're smart, tho. i doubt you'll bail cause one person atm. =)

Maelstrom March 1 2006 9:23 PM EST

drudge: darthtaco?


[T]Vestax March 1 2006 10:59 PM EST

DarthToka, I see that you are getting a lack of sympathy for your situation. Let me explain why. You're under the impression that a kick is a small thing, and indeed it is, but it is still a rare occurrence for the majority of CB's players. Most people are either kicked a lot or never kicked at all. You speak as if you fall into the first category. These people have a history of being multis or being banned for causing trouble. So your association with them leads people to think that you're a punk kid like the rest of them who probably deserved it one way or the other. The solution? Don't prove them right.

I'm not really asking you to drop it like others are, I'm asking that you understand us a little better. You may be unaccustomed to our ways and our rules, but I assure you that after a few months you would be praising them as well. The strictness of CB has its benefits, one of which is the maturity level of the community. Arguing for the sake of arguing, or even worse, for the sake of actually convincing someone of an opposing view, is frowned upon highly. The reason is that history shows that when people are set in their ways, they never change their mind, thus making the argument only more hostile the further it goes on.

Youthful people often don't understand this at first because they themselves, as well as their peers, are still easily influenced. This means that they are accustom to people changing their ways and accepting what they hear on a day-to-day basis. Yet, as you get older, you get more set in your ways and you find yourself somehow being on the "right" side of the argument much more then on the "wrong" side. Maybe there comes a point when you become open-minded again, but I don't think people of that age play MMORPG's yet. Take PK for example, he's old but apparently not old enough. :)

Stick around and enjoy yourself. Shade isn't a bad guy and if you ask him for some advise you will see that for yourself. Click on and enjoy.

YOU March 1 2006 11:12 PM EST

I have a solution for you.

Type : /join Supreme

DarthToka March 2 2006 3:24 AM EST

hehehe I'm becoming more aware of the whole idea behind the community guidelines and why they're the way they are. The irretractable opinions are something to overcome however as I'm used to being able to raise an issue with someone and reaching a compromise somewhere along the line, this being the way adults handle things. Obviously not the case herre as many of you have pointed out. As for you "Yay Shade, quit the game DarthToka." zealots: I'm not going anywhere, and your juvenile attempts won't make it so. Simply avoiding Shade seems like it'll work well enough. Thanks for the encouragement from those of you who've provided it. I'll be sure not to look down to see the other half. <insert smug smile-ish thingy here>

QBRanger March 2 2006 6:15 AM EST


Let me give you an example.

In my first days of cb2, I got kicked 2 times by Shade. I did the same as you, argued and even got a full admin involved. Guess what, Shade was correct. I learned from that experience and now Shade and I are quite good friends in cb.

A kick is just a warning. Something to learn by. I am sure, you will both forget why very soon if this post was not made.

Just take a step back, let the emotions of the moment fade. Then come back to chat. We would love to have another person join the cb community.

AdminShade March 2 2006 11:19 AM EST

for all you "Yay Shade, quit the game DarthToka." zealots:

Are there any? If there are they should be ashamed of themselves.

Special J March 2 2006 11:35 AM EST

Darth, you have big issues with knowing when to drop a subject and move on in life.

QBJohnnywas March 2 2006 11:52 AM EST

'irretractable opinions are something to overcome however as I'm used to being able to raise an issue with someone and reaching a compromise somewhere along the line, this being the way adults handle things'

Alternatively you could leave them to their opinions and walk on by. This particular adult doesn't need to prove to anyone that his opinions are right. He just knows. ;)

UltimaSpock [Forge Frog Services] March 2 2006 11:58 AM EST

so if you know that somebody is wrong, all of you agree that it is better to leave him alone and not to insist?

And you say this is an adult behaviour?

Maelstrom March 2 2006 12:12 PM EST

OK, this is getting to the point where we should all be kicked for not knowing when to stop.

Let's let the thread die. We've picked on Darth long enough.

QBsutekh137 March 2 2006 12:24 PM EST

Nah, why let it die?

I'm with Darth and UltimaSpock on the whole "trying to reach some understanding" thing.

Sadly, though, that doesn't work very well around here. I have never really figured out why, but that has been one constant of both CB1 and CB2. Most folks would rather say "Drop it, it's Jon's game" or "you've got problems" or "get over it" or "let this thread die" than give a little ground and try to reach an understanding. While all of those quoted sentiments are self-consistent and cannot be argued with (yes, it is Jon's game, I _definitely_ have problems, I should get over it, and my threads usually run WAY too long), they aren't very helpful or progressive.

Not sure about what is "adult" or not: I know children who have the maturity of 40-year olds and I know 30-year-olds who have the petulant nature of a toddler.

More power to you, Darth. At least you express yourself succinctly. That gets you in my good graces immediately.

UltimaSpock [Forge Frog Services] March 2 2006 12:24 PM EST

my message was here to defend the darth's point of view ;-)

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] March 2 2006 12:42 PM EST

Well after Sut weighed in, now I cannot resist, so I will instead repeat my Mantra:

In the application of Administrative powers, LESS is MORE.

And yes I believe this applies to chat as well. I hear this game, this community SAY it wants to be good, a place people want to come to, a place where friends and such can be made, yet the ACTIONS of those in charge often run counter to this sentiment. I have always believed and always will believe actions speak louder than words.

Tezmac March 2 2006 12:48 PM EST

"I know 30-year-olds who have the petulant nature of a toddler..."


QBBast [Hidden Agenda] March 2 2006 12:52 PM EST

Oh, now he'll have to make another "I'd like to thank the Academy, all my supporters, and my lawyer" post, and be accused of further inflammatory behavior. ;)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] March 2 2006 1:20 PM EST

Well first I'd like to thank the Academy, all my, hey wait..... What am I thanking people for?

NSFY March 2 2006 3:03 PM EST

Sute - it is called groupthink. I'm really surprised that you did not get the memo seeing as YOU ARE ONE OF THEM!

Observe the telltale hallmarks:

Collective Rationalization: Members discredit and explain away warning contrary to group thinking.

Illusion of Morality: Members believe their decisions are morally correct, ignoring the ethical consequences of their decisions.

Excessive Stereotyping:The group constructs negative stereotypes of rivals outside the group.

Pressure for Conformity: Members pressure any in the group who express arguments against the group's stereotypes, illusions, or commitments, viewing such opposition as disloyalty.

Self-Censorship: Members withhold their dissenting views and counter-arguments.

Illusion of Unanimity: Members perceive falsely that everyone agrees with the group's decision; silence is seen as consent.

Mindguards: Some members appoint themselves to the role of protecting the group from adverse information that might threaten group complacency.

QBsutekh137 March 2 2006 4:11 PM EST

Yeah, must have missed that memo. May the good Lord help whoever cc's me on that one.

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] March 2 2006 4:16 PM EST

/me cc's the memo to Sut

AdminG Beee March 2 2006 4:48 PM EST

From chat...


DarthToka: i dozed off on my keys

That people, is why some people get lots of kicks.

Having had lots of kicks he now has a !48.

Doom Lit Sky March 2 2006 9:30 PM EST

LOL!, sorry not encouraging, that actually made me laugh :S

Sir Leon [Soup Ream] March 2 2006 9:33 PM EST

Well, cant say i didnt see it coming. Just to help you out darth, watch out for your posts in forums, you can be forumed banned to. If that happens then you might as well quit the game IMO.

But i believe you will be able to change your name in 30 days, at which you can then re-enter chat, hopefully with a little more of a cb attitude.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] March 2 2006 9:33 PM EST

seriously tho, how do you fall asleep on your keyboard and not touch more than one key? and then even somehow hit enter halfway across the keyboard, ooooo it seems so easy in my eyes...</sarcasm>

colonel [penny pincher] March 2 2006 10:13 PM EST

Wow, this makes me wonder if I was Sefton's ideal sub-admin, because "back in the day" (when I was such) I don't think anyone ever did less to enforce the rules. Cripes was I lame.

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] March 2 2006 10:32 PM EST

My hero :)
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