some love for RBF, crossbows (in Changelog)
RBF does about 30% more damage than it did, and absorbs about 10% more FB
AX and EXbow formulae changed; they drain about 1/11 of what they did per x before.
PL will only absorb the AX and EX drain if PL minion has positive DX/ST. (But, PL still always absorbs all of stat drain, no partial drain.)
Hey Jon, I just got out of a battle, and I'm not sure if this is "optimal behavior" or not, but -7.6 million strength for one hit with a exbow seems a bit excessive... don't you think?
After one hit with an AXbow and my PL minion has a DX of -36,480,108. Something doesn't seem right here.
went to turn down the AX and the dial went the wrong way...
hey, my ExBow is overpowered now! ; P
Henkert shot Dark Knight 
Wall Of Shadows looks weaker!
Wall Of Shadows absorbs damage 
Henkert hit Dark Knight 
Dark Knight looks weaker!
Wall Of Shadows absorbs damage 
Ohh this is even new, on the second hit there is drain. Never seen that before.
Is that new?
3 hits with an Axbow and I have:
DX = -109,440,347
If this doesn't make Axbows/Exbows viable, I don't know what will! :P
"PL will only absorb the AX and EX drain if PL minion has positive DX/ST. (But, PL still always absorbs all of stat drain, no partial drain.)"
Sweet sweet sweet! :D
1 single tank VS me
Henkert shot Owned 
Owned looks weaker!
Owned shot Henkert 
Henkert looks weaker!
Battle stats afterwards
it does need some tweaking.
My name isn't in the spelling checker so i need to right this, or have to do something difficult with HTML which i know 0 off
LOL! One drain each on my minions...
Looks good, might indirectly help the poor mages out too :)
July 10 2006 2:19 PM EDT
Perhaps 11 times as much ST/DX is being drained, instead of 1/11th?
(Why 1/11? kind of an unusual number...)
Mael: that's most certainly the case.
July 10 2006 2:21 PM EDT
Any RBF users out there? Hows those changes look? Anybody? Hello??? :)
Hold on, if the bows drain a % + the constant how much ST/DX will PL minions need to work the same way as before?
July 10 2006 2:29 PM EDT
How much EC do ex/axbow users need to get past most PL minion's DX/ST? ;)
the damage done will still take them below 0
Nice! :D Finally a use for EC as well! :D
Against the top RoBF I'm taking around 120k damage for each hit.
July 10 2006 3:04 PM EDT
Well finally a solution for the PL/axbow problem.
At least it's a solution of sorts.
July 10 2006 3:17 PM EDT
quick Ranger, sell your giant axbow before Jon fixes the bug! ;)
whoops, forgot the parentheses... fixed
damage higher (check)
drain lower (check)
pl minions need STR and DEX...(check)
Yep that about covers it...thanks Jon.
thank you JON :) i love you hahaha.
July 10 2006 6:17 PM EDT
I must be missing something. Axbows/Exbows are not even lower powered than before? Has the drain just dropped to one-eleventh of its level before? Doesn't that mean that these weapons are now (more) useless?
Pardon me if I'm overlooking something obvious, it's early morning here... :-)
negator, damage is up, drain is down, PL minions now need positive dex to transfer the drain away from intended target. Not useless, just balanced on both sides.
July 10 2006 7:16 PM EDT
Did something more change for ranged? I had to remove 2 opponents from my fight list today, because they suddenly did massive damage to me in ranged. Not with xbows, but with elbows.
Negator, since the change to a fixed cost per x and the corresponding increase in existing weapons x the drain has been ridiculously high as it was a certain % for each x. Only a small proportion of my fight list were vulnerable as a moderate PL would nullify he drain.
I'd given up hope, but I guess July is a good month!
July 10 2006 9:22 PM EDT
Ah, thanks for the clarifications, everyone. Not feeling so dense now... :-)
"Did something more change for ranged?"
July 10 2006 9:28 PM EDT
Praise be to Jon...
The Jon giveth and the Jon taketh away...
Whichever suits you mood ;-p
July 10 2006 10:43 PM EDT
it really took me a while to realize what a RBF is :P
And then a little longer to figure out, even with this change, who wants to wear it anyway LOL
July 10 2006 10:56 PM EDT
i have no idea why it was unloved seriously, unless i don't get it
it blocked a percentage of damage done right? and FB backlash. so why not get a wall and FB minions and go nuts
even now its better so why not use it, with Prot and heavy AC.
though now with the anti-defense nobody wants i can see its unloved but before, why?
someone please explain
It stops a fixed amount of FB damage, which when facing FB mages (mostly single minions) really did nothing.
Then it does damage to anyone attacking the wearer in Melee. This damage was, to put it politely, small.
It was then given an Aura.
And the Melee damage changed to every hit instead of once per round.
I also think somewhere along the line it was given Evasion as well, but that might have been taken away. Can't remember.
July 11 2006 11:34 AM EDT
What about base EC? If you get the minions to 0 Str and 0 Dex can they still absorb? (If you're wondering why I'm asking this, it's cause I have base EC due to a Mage Shield)
July 11 2006 2:33 PM EDT
and gah: a base EC doesn't cast with a MgS
July 11 2006 2:48 PM EDT
Time for tank teams with PL to train some Haste and Giant Strength.
July 11 2006 6:17 PM EDT
It does... at least in the fight logs it says that they lose 20 str/dex
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