Does every team need a Wall or MgS/PL minion? (in General)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 13 2006 4:33 AM EDT

Are these type of minions becoming a must have?

MgS coupled with TSA, PL and an AoI is a very powerful combination. And I'm sure we all know how powerful 300+ AC Walls are.

Are these types on minion just too good to pass up?

Flamey September 13 2006 4:35 AM EDT

the wall is expensive, and no, i don't think it is a must have at all.

if you don't need any enchantments you make the PL, HP, minion with an AoI to take the damage, but you can't use PL if you have GA.

a lot of teams have GA and actually use it, so i believe it is not a must have.

a lot of Non-ToA tanks(yes, they exist :P) use a TSA and will most probably have a MgS to top of magic reduction.

QBJohnnywas September 13 2006 4:49 AM EDT

My team started out with a wall, until I checked to see if it was actually effective in any way. And for me it wasn't as effective as changing it to a haste enchanter. But...

Sefton's wall can make the difference between me beating him and me drawing/losing to him. And then there was Novice's example in the archery thread of Nymandus' wall's damage can't really argue with 60% damage reduction....

And then there was my old team with the two mage shield walls....but that was just greedy....

AdminShade September 13 2006 4:50 AM EDT

I could do without my PL, but with PL my tank lives a bit longer.

QBJohnnywas September 13 2006 5:25 AM EDT

Ok, so not only did a Wall minion not work as well as a haste enchanter does for me, I've just killed PL on my team too, and put the xp into use elsewhere. Guess what, no change to my fightlist!

I think where PL is concerned it's far more effective on smaller teams than it is on larger ones, that is two minion teams for instance. But I do think it's useful when you have minions with large amounts of HP, and one minion doing large PL drains.

I may retrain PL later on, as I get more AS/HP. But for the moment I've gone old school!

QBRanger September 13 2006 8:09 AM EDT


Just look at NWO, does very well without a Wall or even AC.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 13 2006 8:13 AM EDT

Would he be doing better converting one of his minion to one?

QBRanger September 13 2006 8:13 AM EDT


For his setup, he has his skills set very well.

QBRanger September 13 2006 8:34 AM EDT

Johnnywas is using Ranger's rule 8 of PL.

A tank with 3 enchanters likely will not benefit from PL.

QBJohnnywas September 13 2006 8:47 AM EDT

Lol. Ranger's twelve step PL recovery programme!

In part inspired by your PL post but also what I'm doing is an extension of your advice to G Beee to see if his mage was actually useful. I've been checking every aspect of my team ever since, just to see if I was wasting xp anywhere. I'd recommend it to everyone, because sometimes the results can be very surprising.
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