lag again (in General)

The Death Company [...] October 8 2006 10:56 AM EDT

just incase ive been lagged again (yeah its painful :P), 17 BA left, hit attack ... didnt even load up the page with the check just remained on the last fight with the little circle thing wizzing round. got bored and clicked the home link to look at my awsome team XD it worked tried to fight and got the do not not fight pay 30k+ or go to jail for 60mins :(

*wonders if this is a conspiricy against me by the top players to stop me growing and owning them* and at what size/score do you get the bribe jon button

and before you chip in again like the last time jw no i didnt sleep through the bot check :P

AdminShade October 8 2006 10:58 AM EDT

so you took 2 minutes to go back to the main screen? I think you did sleep :p

The Death Company [...] October 8 2006 11:02 AM EDT

lol was just about to say my thing says

Your privilege to fight was suspended for 60 minutes starting at 10:47 AM EDT. Current server time is Sun Oct 8 10:57:44 2006. and my last fight was at 10:43 AM EDT so i might have slept through it but i honestly didnt think i did as i was trying to burn this bit of BA so i could go do the ironing >.< i came back on and started refighting now to avoid the two people who have me in there list using BA the same time as me

ahwell i guess its a pay the fine time but i dont think i fell asleep with 17ba left and taking four mins to finish it of

QBJohnnywas October 8 2006 11:07 AM EDT

Lol ;)

The Death Company [...] October 8 2006 3:12 PM EDT

well the above post is dropped but ... what sort of lag does everyone else get when playing?

Sometimes i seem to be able to attack before the page has fully loaded almost instantly but other times i get 3-4 seconds delay before i can hit down enter but just with my last few BA i was getting 6+ seconds delay.
I know i dont get the 6 seconds often (not enough to moan about) but am i the only one to get that sort of lag

Im on broadband but im using usb cable as my comp doesnt have eathernet ports

like i said above this is a different load of questions and im not bothered about the prob earlier but its sort of same subject and saved a new thread

The Death Company [...] October 9 2006 9:09 AM EDT

thought it was going to happen again then ,, was looking at 24 hour summery hit fight as my list should have been refreshed ... didnt happen after a few seconds so i started counting (so only a rough guide lol) but i got to 41 before the fight happened ... am i seriously the only person that gets lag like this not super regularly but quite often to actually worry that it wont refresh before 2mins?

and failing that if i hit stop to stop the page loading and then click fight again would that stop the bot check count down or is there anyway to stop it if the page doesnt load?

AdminShade October 9 2006 9:12 AM EDT

There is no way to stop the server from counting.

I think you should check your connection first :)

QBJohnnywas October 9 2006 9:16 AM EDT

Sounds like the problem is at your end...stop falling asleep....

QBRanger October 9 2006 9:22 AM EDT

In Death's defense, I have had a few times where I get lag, lag ends, bot check page comes up, lag again begins, lag ends and Im on the "your in jail for 60 min" page unless you pay the fee.

I have noticed the lag getting far worse lately. So bad, I have failed quite a few botchecks. A senior admin can back this up by looking at how many I have failed the past few days.

Flamey October 9 2006 9:23 AM EDT

I'm trying really hard not to complain, but just now, i got suspended for clicking too fast during lag, obviously this isn't fast when it is not lagging.

then to top things off, i tried fighting to see if the suspension had gone away, and what do you know, I magically failed a bot check.

Go me!

Note: everyone else was lagging in chat whilst this was happening.

The Death Company [...] October 9 2006 9:30 AM EDT

anything i can check? im guessing it must be programs running or something as ive got 6meg broadband (but via a usb cable)

windows task manager shows spikes up to about 32% cpu usage when click links at there max sometimes only 4 (when doing nothing 0-2)
Pf shows a steady 291 mb (not got a clue what pf is)

guess i will run a virus check see if that picks anything up but if anyone with comp knowledge has any other ideas let me know cheers (also i only have cb running with maybe on other website open for reading when out of ba). MSN irc doesnt get turned on til i play my other game

AdminG Beee October 9 2006 9:32 AM EDT

The lag in my office is terrible. It's so bad that I often have to open several tabs all with the CB homepage and click fight on one tab before moving onto the next etc etc. Occasionally (but not often) I get the multiple fight submissions page and run the risk of 10 mins in the cooler, but generally I can get to fight a little faster for no penalty using this method. Of course it's a pain to find that I've tried to fight in 4 different tabs whilst the first one has been trying to bring up a bot check, but there's no way to get through my BA fast enough unless I do this.

It can take me 10 mins to get through 20 BA when the bandwidth is at it's most stretched here. Even when it's as slow as that I rarely miss out on a bot check though. Fortunately we're getting more bandwidth organised and we should be ok soon, but meanwhile it's really bad.
Slow connection is doubly frustrating considering that as soon as we get to late afternoon and our European colleagues have all left the speed goes back up to the extent that I can get through about 40 BA per minute...

Point I'm making - It's not CB's fault that I have a bandwidth problem at my end of the process.

QBOddBird October 9 2006 9:33 AM EDT


I've seen a lot of these "Hey look, I lagged again" forum threads this a new fad I missed?

QBJohnnywas October 9 2006 9:41 AM EDT

Is anyone here who is complaining about lag using FF with Greasemonkey? Because, joking aside, since I started using that my FF has frozen countless times. When I disable GM, no freeze.

Flamey October 9 2006 9:50 AM EDT

JW freezes up then stops or just freeze and not respond, crash?

i use the GM script, i notice that when i was on a computer w/o it was significantly faster, but then again that computer was new and basically unused while the others with the GM script have so much crap on them.

QBJohnnywas October 9 2006 9:59 AM EDT

My problem is only since the addition of GM but I've had other problems before when I've loaded a new extension onto FF. I'm using FF with a Mac, and the Mac (that I've got) isn't very fond of downloads I've found...

The lag only occurs when I've more than one tab open as well, so it might have as much to do with other sites and their interaction with my machine as it has to do with GM

QBJohnnywas October 9 2006 10:00 AM EDT

Oh and Flamey - freeze and then not respond. Mostly if I'm patient whatever has frozen works itself out but otherwise I have to restart the machine.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] October 9 2006 10:00 AM EDT

Sometimes for me, CB freezes and I have to close my browser wait for a while before the home page will load agian and I can log back on.

While this is happening, I don't have problems with other web sites. :/

QBJohnnywas October 9 2006 10:03 AM EDT

My particular problem is not necessarily with CB - the freeze/lag I've experienced occurs with other sites as well.

AdminG Beee October 9 2006 10:13 AM EDT

FF is prone to leaking memory and slows up a lot as a result. My entry level laptop can't cope when firefox.exe starts drawing 150,000k or more and I have to close it and start again.

Use Ctl+Alt+del and click on the processes tab to see what the Mem Usage is. If it's high try closing it down and see if this makes a difference - it does for me. Faster PC's will cope a lot better but they too will suffer as the demand gets higher and I have to close the browser down when it reaches about 300,000k on my desktops.

AdminJonathan October 9 2006 10:18 AM EDT

Did anyone check server load in community during lag periods?

chuck1234 October 9 2006 10:23 AM EDT

yep, i have. At most times its 1+, a few times as high as 3, 4, or even 6+.

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] October 9 2006 11:06 AM EDT

Just had somewhat of a lag spike, for several minutes, and if that helps, the load times were shown as : 5.68/2.44/1.34

AdminJonathan October 9 2006 11:23 AM EDT

okay, so it's definitely server load.

AdminNightStrike October 9 2006 1:16 PM EDT

"FF is prone to leaking memory"

What's the basis for that claim? There's a difference between a memory cache and a memory leak.

AdminNightStrike October 9 2006 1:18 PM EDT

Regarding the original topic, it happens a lot to me... when I hit fight and get the lag, I get scared of losing the bot check which is undoubtedly there (fate can be cruel), and I go on a click frenzy trying to punch through the lag. It's been fairly successful.

bartjan October 9 2006 1:25 PM EDT

Nightstrike: once FF's memory usage goes above 500MB, the lag starts to become unbearable and I have to kill FF and start all over again. Memory cache already has been tweaked down to the bare minimum.
Also, each time I click 'fight' for example, CPU usage spikes to 100%. "Burning BA" has an extra meaning to me...

AdminNightStrike October 9 2006 1:50 PM EDT

Sounds like you need to upgrade to the latest stable build, or file a bugzilla report. I keep around 7 or so windows open each with at least 15 tabs, and never see a memory leak issue.

Perhaps it's an extension that you're running. Those are often prone to leaks. I only run with one -- SessionManager. It retains the session in case my comp crashes (my computer often reboots itself due to high heat conditions).

bartjan October 9 2006 1:57 PM EDT, and I already scaled down the extensions to the bare minimum (Greasemonkey and Tab Mix Plus) to see its effect.

AdminJonathan October 9 2006 1:58 PM EDT

It's well-known that FF does leak memory. Search their bugzilla, e.g. this bug

Maelstrom October 9 2006 3:21 PM EDT

My FF leaks too. Is there a known solution to the problem?

QBOddBird October 9 2006 3:29 PM EDT

Odd, my FF has never had a problem with it.

AdminNightStrike October 9 2006 3:30 PM EDT

Actually, Jon, that bug report is currently:

Resolution: INVALID

It's invalid because it's just a bunch of random people complaining about supposed memory leaks because the memory footprint climbs high. It's supposed to climb high. Currently, I have 4 windows open with a pile of tabs in each, including several myspace pages (those are massive memory hogs). FF is sitting at 210 megs. Newsflash: That's ok.

They have a special memory leak tool that, if run, will identify the memory leak. Every time I've though I had a leak and ran that ool, it turns out that it was just some faulty webpage with bad java, or a ton of background loading images, or some other non-memory-leak problem. I suggest doing the same to bart and G if you truly think you have a memory leak problem.

AdminShade October 9 2006 3:32 PM EDT

I myself haven't had any problem with it either, even after running FF for about 5 hours on end, still nothing that really mucks it up...

AdminNightStrike October 9 2006 3:34 PM EDT

5 hours? I run it until my computer crashes due to heat. That has been easily two weeks or so.

I does need a lot of RAM, this much is true... but it will stabilize out. If it's taking too much, close a bunch of windows. The memory won't be immediately deallocated, as it won't be returned to the heap until the cache flushes... but it won't be used.

bartjan October 9 2006 3:36 PM EDT

I have no problem at all with a high memory footprint. What I do have a problem with is that it takes 10+ seconds per BA for example. It may be coincidence, but restarting FF drops the memory footprint *and* solves the lag (when lag is on my side...). So there definitely is a problem.

AdminNightStrike October 9 2006 3:39 PM EDT

Run the leak tool and see.

bartjan October 9 2006 4:25 PM EDT

Someone please call Mario, Luigi or any other certified plumber.

Leaked 82 out of 95 DOM Windows
Leaked 99 out of 189 documents
Leaked 7 out of 11 docshells

It looks like each and every fight.tcl is flagged as leaking for example...
This of course, is just after freshly restarting FF.

AdminJonathan October 9 2006 4:54 PM EDT

NS, you don't understand bugzilla

status: verified (this means it's a real bug)
resolution: invalid (it's not fixed yet)

AdminNightStrike October 9 2006 8:50 PM EDT

"Without steps to reproduce or a leak log, this is not a useful bug report. Using the leak tool is how we detect and fix leaks, just like talkback stacks are how we fix crash bugs. If you can't use that tool, that's unfortunate, since it means there's no way of identifying which leak, if any, you're experiencing.

Marking this INVALID, if someone has a valid leak that can be captured in the leak tool, please file a new bug with that information."

That's what I was referring to, Jon. What it comes down to is that no one with a clean install of FF, devoid of crazy extensions, has supplied any real data showing a memory leak (as opposed to a large memory footprint). If you can do this, then do so. I tried, and couldn't. It always boiled down to a bad extension, broken java, or some other source outside of FF.

Karmic Mishap [Soup Ream] October 9 2006 9:20 PM EDT

Yes, Jon, actually, Invalid means "The problem described is not a bug" according to the link under 'Resolution' on that page.

AdminNightStrike October 9 2006 9:25 PM EDT

Thank you, Karmic. And, to be complete, Verified means that the assigned resolution is appropriate.
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