Ridiculous (in Off-topic)


Continuum November 28 2006 1:12 PM EST

Mem has joined the room.
- carnage: server grants op status to Mem
<Mem> Hello!
<Ranger> HELLO
<xseth> No capitals, please.
<[CB1]cheez-its> hehe
<Ranger> NO CAPS?
<xseth> KICKED!
<[CB1]cheez-its> ok easy ranger now your being blantant
-- You have been kicked out of carnage by Mem
*** Could not join channel
*** Now in room carnage
<[CB1]cheez-its> relaz seth
<[CB1]cheez-its> relax
<xseth> No, I was kicked from chat under false pretenses.
<Rubberduck> kick means nothing
<[CB1]cheez-its> relax.
<[CB1]cheez-its> drop it
<xseth> I'm not going to 'drop it'.
Fnirk has joined the room.
*** Killed by [CB1]cheez-its: Bye bye



Now, I know I was arguing, But I find it somewhat ridiculous that one cannot fight back at all when something such as thing could so easily be considered as abuse.

bartjan November 28 2006 1:13 PM EST

You are aware that there are also forum bans?

Continuum November 28 2006 1:15 PM EST

Nope =/

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 28 2006 1:21 PM EST

requesting a kick is often responded to with one...

Brakke Bres [Ow man] November 28 2006 1:29 PM EST

well this is in a way noobie taunting. Come on chat ops give the good example.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 28 2006 1:35 PM EST

Ranger's response wasn't friendly, but it wasn't uncalled for...

xseth has no business telling people what they can and cannot do, even Ranger...

Mem was doing the same thing he's always done, kicked for the same reasons he always does. You ask someone to be kicked or threaten them with a kick without reason and you get kicked...If you think someone has done something wrong, pm an op, or the politely say that you think there might be a rule against that, but in PM. No point in telling an op and a qb what he can't do in a chat room you've only been in long enough to learn that there are rules...

Brakke Bres [Ow man] November 28 2006 1:45 PM EST

Maybe this is one good example why new players dont stay long.
If someone did the same thing to me in a new game like this, i would never come back.

Its not only the responsibility of the new player to act decent, but the responsibility for the op/qb/admin to act decent aswel.
The reply of ranger was just rude and let to the new player to react in such a way that cheez-its kicked him
Cheez-its fuse was a bit to short here.

He wants some explanation why in this thread, and you wanna forum ban already?
Come on have some patience with new players. Dont act to fast.
Dont scare away the new players.
Jeesz, you know that some games have a monthly review of there admins/ops. Where the community grades them?
And if the grade is to low the admin/op gets his/her powers removed.
Which in turn prevents short fuses (and dare i say it) abuse.

bartjan November 28 2006 1:48 PM EST

Henk, one thing I do notice in this chat fragment is that the room is carnage, not new players.

QBsutekh137 November 28 2006 1:50 PM EST

Ranger has to follow the rules just like everyone else, no?

Drat, this whole time my QB status made me immune? I better go raise some Hell!

Brakke Bres [Ow man] November 28 2006 1:50 PM EST

Thats not the point, he maybe in room carnage but he IS a new player.
And your not implying that ops in room carnage have less patience then in room new players?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 28 2006 1:52 PM EST

-- You have been kicked out of carnage by Mem

You might read what you're talking about...

Mem kicked him for breaking a rule...

This is someone else's game, and behaving well in chat isn't an option, you either learn or you leave.

chadder's /kill was completely justified, as said mensa candidate had already begun a tirade...

Brakke Bres [Ow man] November 28 2006 1:56 PM EST

tirade? of 2 lines? wow

This is someone else's game, and behaving well in chat isn't an option, you either learn or you leave.

Of course, but if you don't get the chance?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 28 2006 1:57 PM EST

If you're the type of person who decides to pull a power grab in a chat room online verses someone you don't even know...you've already lost your chance...

Seriously do you get how nice the ops are here?

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] November 28 2006 3:21 PM EST

Oh, that was absolute garbage. Or it's been edited severely?

The New Players work extensively on remembering to avoid spamming up chat, to lay off the [Caps Lock], to excise common naughty abbreviations from their vocabularies. This involves rather a lot of community policing. Those who have been around long enough to acclimatize to our "better" community will sometimes "hey you can't do that in here, you'll get in trouble" when someone else slips. It is also, noticeably, those who take such an interest in learning and following the rules, and helping others to do so, who seem to like it here and stick around -- some even daring the community of the boards.

So, he does what he's learned well to do? Remind people that they are engaging in one of those obnoxious chat behaviors that could get them tossed by a vigilant OP, and not only does he get further obnoxiousness from our Elder QB but kicked out himself?

And then when he has issue with the total unfairness of this, or perhaps would merely like to know what the hell just happened, he gets /killed by the only one with OP status who seemed, briefly and early, to remember as much?

Did Ranger and Mem /kill each other, out of fairness, while he was /kicked out ... is that what's missing from the log?

Hyrule Castle November 28 2006 3:23 PM EST

seth... your first mistake... was being in a room with that box of crackers guy...

he doesnt like any conversation imo

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 28 2006 3:33 PM EST

Bah, we don't need spam in chat met with more spam...complaining about the caps in this case took up more space than they did...

AdminG Beee November 28 2006 3:38 PM EST

Here was me opening this thread and expecting to see something about Harry Potter and his spellbook. Oh well...

C'mon folks, play nice.
A kick is just that, a little kick out of chat to catch a persons attention and let them know that a certain behaviour or attitude in chat is not in line with how we like things to work.
That said, a gentle word in the ear is often worth 10 kicks and it's always good to go with this attitude. It's not hard to get weary of the kind word approach though when you've had to use it 10 times in the last hour or so on every other person coming into chat looking for an argument.

It's around about now that I send both my kids to their respective rooms and tell them to "come out when you're happy"...

This thread really is going nowhere and I predict a bun fight until someone becomes weary of the "10th kind word in the ear" and closes it.

PS. I never understood why folks get so anal about the odd word or two in CAPS...

Godpanda November 28 2006 3:47 PM EST

/me thinks fondly back on the -not to old days-.

Continuum, I want to make one thing very, very clear. Arguing will not help. Will not. If you have a problem, politely ask the op. If they say they were right, it's over. Trust me.

MissingNo November 28 2006 4:08 PM EST

I believe it's the principle of the thing that matters. Because you have the power to enforce the rules that means you don't have to follow them yourself?

chuck1234 November 28 2006 5:31 PM EST

My $0.02:

imho, whilst accepting "all are equal", etc., there is a subtle difference between those who are newbies and those who have been on CB2 for quite a while. Hence, a different standard ought to be applied since they are two different kinds.

The long term player has a major stake in the CB2 community. Moreover, s/he is aware of all the rules, etc., and isn't going to break any of them, so a tiny infraction isn't cause for any offence.

As opposed to this, a newbie has little or no investment in the CB2 community and is on a learning curve, hence rules need to be more strictly applied to a newbie.

AdminShade November 28 2006 5:33 PM EST

a newbie should learn indeed, in new players at first...

TH3 C0113CT0R November 28 2006 5:47 PM EST

I think that was a little excessive.

QBsutekh137 November 28 2006 6:00 PM EST

What always gives me a chortle is all the folks who's first response is, "Chill, kicks don't mean anything..."

If that's true, if kicks mean nothing, then why use them? Why not use something meaningful, like, say, communication, instead of the lack thereof?

I also like the fact that anything remotely related to what could possibly become maybe in a million years but maybe not or it might just could become a confrontation results in kicking, invariably leading to what is a certain conflict of some sort.

G_Beee, if caps are nothing to get anal about, then some chat ops are the ones that need to "chill", yes? Is the policy enforced or not? The two things that need to happen in chat are communication and consistency -- both seem in short supply.

Beyond that, if my mewlings aren't making sense, Bast said all of this and more (and better) above. I noticed that no one addressed her concerns whatsoever.

It is my sincere hope that the original poster isn't too turned off, or can just turn off chat and enjoy the hundreds of other things wonderful about this game.

Tezmac November 28 2006 6:10 PM EST

"It is my sincere hope that the original poster isn't too turned off, or can just turn off chat and enjoy the hundreds of other things wonderful about this game."

I learned this one about 3 years ago.

QBRanger November 28 2006 6:13 PM EST

Other things that cannot be posted in chat were PM'd to me and Mem.

Things that contributed to the aforementioned kick.

The reason I used caps to begin with was due to something completely different, not in this post.

It still astonishes me that people post part of the interactions and others comment on it without hearing the full story.

Perhaps Paul Harvey needs to be in cb chat land, so this does not happen yet again and again.

I can certainly see all the work in New Players is being taken to heart once new players graduate to carnage. Especially those that use such shocking words in PM, and tell chat ops how to do their job.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 28 2006 6:17 PM EST

Yeah ranger that complete excuses you from behaving like an adult...glad you feel good. Replying with anything but what would did would have produced a completely different result. You can clam all the abuse you want in pm, doesn't for a second change the appearance of the situation...

QBRanger November 28 2006 6:52 PM EST

That is right novice. You certainly cannot see the PM's that were sent to me.

Therefore how can you or anyone else comment whether or not something was done correctly?

Let us say that my cap lock button was stuck and I did not realize it until after xseth was kicked. Note I did not kick and/or kill him. Let us say he cursed at me after he was kicked and to Mem also. But, of course you just have to put in your 2 cents, just to take a nice jab at me. I would not expect anything else from you. We certainly know where you stand, no need to make it anymore obvious.



[CB1]cheez-its November 28 2006 7:06 PM EST

ok, mind if i say my peace since i was part of it... i was pm'ing ranger that i didnt think the kick was legitimate oh course i was unaware of what he was doing in pm's my kill was strictly because i was not afforded the chance to calm him down, i tried to pm him but no reply. but hey now we have another infamous character to join up with monty and the others.... and i qoute <GeoHoden> if you kick me for caps, I understand, I aint no stuck-up pig!

MissingNo November 28 2006 7:26 PM EST

"imho, whilst accepting "all are equal", etc., there is a subtle difference between those who are newbies and those who have been on CB2 for quite a while. Hence, a different standard ought to be applied since they are two different kinds.

The long term player has a major stake in the CB2 community. Moreover, s/he is aware of all the rules, etc., and isn't going to break any of them, so a tiny infraction isn't cause for any offence.

As opposed to this, a newbie has little or no investment in the CB2 community and is on a learning curve, hence rules need to be more strictly applied to a newbie."

Chuck, I completely disagree. Because OPs/QBs have been here longer and know the rules they enforce, that means when they break a rule, it isn't as bad? No. Breaking a rule is breaking a rule. It should be especially worse on them because like you say, they are aware of all the rules. And above all, it's simple principle: People with authority should follow the rules they enforce. You wouldn't want a police officer who jails murderers then kills people on the side.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 28 2006 7:41 PM EST

what if instead of "us saying" your caps lock key was stuck you admit that from anyone's perspective but yours what you said was rude...

[CB1]cheez-its November 28 2006 7:49 PM EST

op vines i did not kick and had no intention of kicking i just tried to calm xseth down... i told ranger that i didnt think the kick was legitiamite i killed because of his rant and no other reason. see quote "<[CB1]cheez-its> ok easy ranger now your being blantant " so do not say i was in the wrong here

QBRanger November 28 2006 7:51 PM EST

Novice;

Many people have said nothing was wrong with what occurred. But you continue to take jabs whenever you can.

Good to see your predictable.

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] November 28 2006 8:05 PM EST

Sut a kick wouldn't mean anything to me and the sooner people in xseth position come round to that perspective the better off they will be in these situations. I'm all for sticking up for yourself in the face of perceived injustice but I've seen the results here too many times. As long as there is the merest hint of grounds for the kick if you go venting your righteous anger in forums or chat they will close ranks and the only outcome will be further punishment.

MissingNo November 28 2006 8:09 PM EST

Cheez, I was not talking about your /kill. I believe that was a little more appropriate. I'm talking about Mem's /kick.

QBsutekh137 November 28 2006 8:38 PM EST

RD, you and I have different M.O.s, and that's cool. I respect yours and I know you respect mine. I'm always going to show my own true colors and let a newbie find their own way after sifting through the variations. *smile*

I think the chat atmosphere has been in decline and is the reason I have been in chat almost none at all throughout the life of CB2, whereas the majority of time in CB1 was with chat turned on. That's how I am experiencing the situation, no more no less. Plus, I miss a lot of great folks who have left CB entirely, telling me specifically it was because of attitudinal shift in places like chat (I will give you names if you like, feel free to ask me with a PM)...

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 28 2006 10:22 PM EST

wasn't there a rule against these threads?

QBOddBird November 28 2006 10:53 PM EST

Note: If you've been around xseth AKA Continuum in chat often, you'll know that he gets on a tirade/spams/caps quite OFTEN.

I'm not saying this was the case, but I'm saying that it could explain quite a bit.

*shrugs* I'm not getting involved; I've always been of the opinion that it is up to the particular ChatOp's discretion, I've been pointed in that direction, and I'm quite positive that if anyone in a position to do something about it thought that they were going too far, there'd be a talking-to.

Mem November 29 2006 8:05 AM EST

Perhaps this discussion should not be in a public forum, and those whom are truely involved can speak about it privately? I think that would be the wisest course of action.

[CB1]cheez-its November 29 2006 9:37 AM EST

perhaps we should mem... but as of now xseth is banned... so there is no real point.

AdminNightStrike November 29 2006 10:21 AM EST

"so there is no real point."

There is a point. The administration on this site has for a long time been way too trigger happy, and this is yet another instance of ops being jerks.

AdminNightStrike November 29 2006 10:24 AM EST

"Many people have said nothing was wrong with what occurred."

Except for Henk, Sut, Bast, G, Opvines, Legolas, and now myself.

QBOddBird November 29 2006 10:26 AM EST

<[CB1]cheez-its> ok easy ranger now your being blantant

At very least stop directing any angry comments at cheese, he did the 100% correct thing.

He removed him from Chat before things got out of hand, which they would have, regardless of what instigated the incident. You aren't supposed to argue the kick with the ChatOp in main Chat - personally I've always taken all complaints into PM and dealt with it there.

AdminShade November 29 2006 10:39 AM EST

Imo for a normal player to ask for somebody else to be kicked, it is a reason to kick that player for sure, or at least this makes me feel like 'i can't do my job right, that somebody is trying to do it instead of me'.

Some chat ops might be seen as being trigger happy, so be it, complain to Jonathan and have him take care of it, simple.

Flames Fame November 29 2006 11:22 AM EST

Not to be rude, but this is a game, not real life... If you don't like the way it is ran... please either sit back and turn off chat and ignore the situation, or leave and come back when it is over. plain and simple. this saves people from getting banned for stupid stuff, this game needs more people not less. It was created to be fun and entertaining, not for people to yell at others and call names in PM/CM things like this are ridiculous... For offenders you have two ears and 1 mouth for a reason: To listen twice as much as you talk. So don't argue it only makes it worse, and i dislike seeing people kicked/killed/banned for again ridiculous things.

*Can't we all just get along*?

AdminG Beee November 29 2006 11:37 AM EST

Group hug?

Mem November 29 2006 5:46 PM EST

So does this mean I'm the winner?

"From Jonathan: I've removed you as a chat admin. xseth appears to be an idiot but others that I trust have raised private concerns as well; there seems to be a consensus that you're a little too quick to pull the trigger on someone. I do appreciate your help; no hard feelings."

Thank heavens. Now I don't have to keep my mouth shut, or deal with the myriad of idiots and morons that you fools are so keen to keep here. Not me. I'd sooner leave than be stuck here in a barrel of monkeys. Good riddance chat op-dom!

Mem November 29 2006 5:48 PM EST

Oh, but the only thing that upsets me is that CB's lovely vindictive princess actually got her way. Bummer. I guess you can't win them all.

QBRanger November 29 2006 5:53 PM EST

I would really like to see Henk, or Novice or even Sut become a chat op and see how they handle the idiots and fools that come into chat and blatantly break the rules.

As I and others stated above, what happened with xseth (a multi by the way) was not taken in a vacuum but rather as a whole with his past.

And I know for a fact, there are plenty other chat ops that are much quicker to kick and/or kill someone. If fact there are some that do it when you even look at them wrong.

I have known Mem a long time and have seen him in chat quite a lot. While he may have quick trigger, I have never seen him kick someone who did not wholeheartedly deserve it.

Miandrital November 29 2006 6:08 PM EST

GB, are those the emoticon versions of teletubbies?

deifeln November 29 2006 6:09 PM EST

will someone close this thread? Please?

[Unrivaled]Twist Of Fate [SeeD] November 29 2006 6:13 PM EST

"It is my sincere hope that the original poster isn't too turned off, or can just turn off chat and enjoy the hundreds of other things wonderful about this game."

Sutekh, and Tezmac, i have been playing this game for a total of about 4+ years and when was the last time you seen me in chat?

I love this game and continue to play on the basis of the game. The community can be wonderful and then there are times like this when too much is too much. Take a breath ladies and gentlemen, take a breath.

The new player, i think, had every right to question why he got /kicked and therefore did not deserve to be /killed for trying to find out. That's obscene. Yes, he was being persistent but i know that if i didn't know exactly what happened and why i would be pretty persistent as well. It's ashame when a new player leaves an amazing game without even having the chance to see it's true potential.

Sometimes there are times that rules can and should be bent for a minute, please re-read the opening of this thread. He needs to learn, yes, but disciplined to this extent on a matter that in my opinion is nothing but frivolous. Please, don't flame me i am just proposing an opinion. That's all.

--TF--

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 29 2006 6:19 PM EST

He was a multitard...this thread died in horror, stop beating...there is NO HORSE

Tezmac November 29 2006 6:23 PM EST

"Sutekh, and Tezmac, i have been playing this game for a total of about 4+ years and when was the last time you seen me in chat?"

Probably never, re-read my post. :)

AdminG Beee November 29 2006 6:25 PM EST

There's always a horse Novice. And I've wanted to use this for ages... Beating A Dead Horse

QBsutekh137 November 29 2006 6:35 PM EST

I just wanna know who CB's "vindictive princess" is now! Curiosity killed the Sutekh!

Ranger, last I checked I _was_ a chat-op. But I don't chat. I can tell you this much, though. I have only /kicked someone (this would include CB1 and CB2 combined) about 4-5 times. Each and every time, the person was so clearly being disruptive that several folks immediately said "thank goodness" (publicly and privately) after the kick. Not laughter or "meh", they truly appreciated the kick because the kickee was truly being nothing but a negative influence on chat. I have seen you do the same, worthy kicks. For me, it's not about some set of rules, it is about the overall effect someone is having on chat.

I'm not saying I get it right -- on the contrary, I am quite certain I am too slow on /kicks, as I try to talk to the transgressor too much (both in live chat and in PMs).

MissingNo November 29 2006 6:38 PM EST

Abhorsen, I especially hate it when people try to belittle problems by saying it's only a game. Yes, it's only a game. It's only a game that most of us invest money in and spend a good portion of our time on. No, it's not real life, but so what? Sure, no one got hurt or died, but does that mean the people who have spent months playing or even years should just disregard the problems simply because "it's just a game"? If there's a general problem you shouldn't just say "suck it up".

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 29 2006 6:57 PM EST

Ranger...I know I started this thread out very clearly talking about the multitard being kicked by Mem for what I consider a standard kicking offense. There was a wash of outcry...I thought about it, and I wondered if it's a good idea. I don't think I ever said anything bad about Mem... Shade saying that he also would kick someone for demanding a kick made me feel a bit better about my original perspective. I don't think I'd make a good chat-op, I'm too flighty and prone to forget the chat window is there. Besides if I was an op, the outcry of abuse would be so loud aol would explode.

AdminNightStrike November 29 2006 7:12 PM EST

"I'd sooner leave than be stuck here in a barrel of monkeys. Good riddance chat op-dom!"

If you hated being a chat op, then why did you take the job? Why did you continue the job? Why did you not throw in the towel much earlier if it was such a drain on your psyche?

"Oh, but the only thing that upsets me is that CB's lovely vindictive princess actually got her way. Bummer. I guess you can't win them all."

Is that a sideways slap at Bast? It certainly seems so, as she's the only female in this discussion. This display, Mem, is not very classy. I think, however, that it represents a very illustrative summary of your tenure. It's very.... appropriate.

Flamey November 30 2006 1:52 AM EST

Yes it was at Bast, and yes I believe, myself that she got her way.


Stupid multi, caused this whole thing.

TheHatchetman November 30 2006 2:42 AM EST

You gotta love G_Beee... with more motion pictures than MGM...

But yes, its over... Been there, done that, bought the T-Shirt and sold it at a garage sale a long time ago.

Okay, there is a problem when an admins name isn't in the spell checker...
Is there any way to go about fixing this?

AdminNightStrike November 30 2006 2:34 PM EST

There's no underscore, I believe, in his name.

TheHatchetman November 30 2006 2:58 PM EST

G Beee... nope, the spell checker still flags it...

Flamey November 30 2006 3:01 PM EST

It says its not spelt right, because it isn't, but seeing as how it is a Username, it wont *count* as a mis-spelt word at the end.

Spelt is a word, stupid spell checker.

MissingNo November 30 2006 10:43 PM EST

It's not a word. "Spelled" is a word.

Brakke Bres [Ow man] December 1 2006 1:53 AM EST

me as a chat op? nah i would go on a rampage.
And no one wants to see that.

Flamey December 1 2006 2:23 AM EST

According to WordWeb, Dictionary.com and Raven (aka an encyclopedia :P) it is a word, must be wrong in America?

YNM December 8 2006 6:35 PM EST

Still the same old problems I see.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 8 2006 6:40 PM EST

Hey MAN!

YNM December 8 2006 6:50 PM EST

Hey novi!

.:Dissapears:.
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