An email from DAWG (in Public Record)

AdminJonathan January 16 2007 2:58 PM EST

"My way of fighting was just too good for you or your admins to comprehend."

No, I think we comprehended, all right...

QBJohn Birk [Black Cheetah Bazaar] January 16 2007 3:00 PM EST

I may not truly have a clue what happened, but if I understand it right, and he was submitting the same bot check answer over and over again, man, thats just STUPID to assume you would not get caught, and if THAT is his superior method well, it turned out to be quite inferior.

QBsutekh137 January 16 2007 3:13 PM EST

Or was submitting cccccccc because he didn't have anything in place to even answer bot checks at all...

He told me he was using a wireless keyboard and not facing the monitor. Then, when he would hear the computer beeping (saying it needed 3-4 characters for a bot check word), he would turn and enter the text of the bot check image. When his sound was turned down (or he couldn't hear), he would miss the check.

I could (and did) believe him for a while, except for two facts I eventually came around to:

-- The timing (or whatever) that the admins discovered. I don't know all the details behind that statistical analysis, but I trust it. If it looks like a bot and tastes like a bot, it's probably a bot.
-- He was failing checks at night, according to various posts, even though he told me specifically that he only used this wireless keyboard setup after work while watching TV, not during the wee hours.

I still believe the man was a BA machine, and not just because of a bot. I believe it because I had stretches like that myself back on CB1, sometimes with a fight list as small as a single target. The most I could manage was 2-3 days, though -- just too hard otherwise. I think DAWG was doing this a lot longer than a few days, from what I glean on posts, etc.

AdminJonathan January 16 2007 3:18 PM EST

I guess I should add some context. In his first email he said that "I was using a program that would type C and Enter in for me it was just a simple sendkey program written in VB6." Then when it became clear that he was going to stay banned, he sent me the above, along with some stuff that doesn't pass the PG filter.

I thought the above line was funniest, though.

AdminShade January 16 2007 3:19 PM EST

Still, those timings would be to spend the BA as soon as possible, not in stretches of 3 hours replenishing I think

bartjan January 16 2007 3:27 PM EST

I've not done any analysis regarding what times he missed or didn't miss botchecks, as it was not relevant.
To his story about using a wireless keyboard I can add that based on his botcheck answers, he was often using 'C' (uppercase) for his bot but answered the botchecks in lowercase. I simply can't imagine a human being sitting on a couch with a wireless keyboard and then using both the shift and the C key instead of just the C key.

QBJohn Birk [Black Cheetah Bazaar] January 16 2007 3:33 PM EST

What kills me in all honesty is this. I am a father with 3 kids. My personal life is quite busy. If I had a program that would do all my BA fighting for me, except the bot checks, and it would ring me when I was needed to answer them, man I could get a LOT more done at home and on CB to boot! This is obviously cheating, plain and simple. To not pay any attention to CB until you are needed for a bot check, then pay 5 seconds and go back to what you were doing without any thought at all is cheating. To suggest it is harmless or does not offer any advantage is to suggest that your have nothing else to do with your time than to stare at a wall and wait to hear a ding. So how anyone could rationalize this off as some sort of, well, who is it hurting really needs to have a couple of bigger responsibilities and then tell me about the value of time and effort.

I was in the camp of everyone else. Stunned, shocked and surprised that DAWG would end up like this. I look at it like Sammy Sosa, one corked bat makes ALL his home runs look suspect.

QBJohnnywas January 16 2007 3:38 PM EST

What a way to bow out gracefully huh?

I kept quiet when the banning happened, mostly out of respect for those people who were friends with DAWG, but I hate cheating. DAWG, by cheating, disrespected everybody who counted him as a friend here, and that for me was his crime, not the advantage he gained in the game.

And I've a long memory for cheats. DAWG started as a multi; Bart reset him back in March or April 2005. Came in as a cheat and left as a cheat. Nice legacy.

I hope you make a lot of money out of the sales Jon. Get something good out of this.

QBJohnnywas January 16 2007 3:40 PM EST

*correction - not reset, fined the mage shield.*

QBsutekh137 January 16 2007 3:51 PM EST

Well, and I was flat-out lied to, so I don't mind disclosure from my end -- DAWG emailed me after being banned, being all sweet and lovable about how I was sort of sticking up for him on the original ban thread (I wasn't really, was just looking for clarification on what happened, and I got great feedback both on and off the thread). Anyway, he told me the keyboard story, FLAT OUT lying about not using any sort of macros, scripts, or any such thing.

My deepest apologizes to all the admin time (bartjan, G_Beee, Jonathan...) I wasted trying to make sure DAWG was being heard. Everything he said was lies.

Class act, DAWG. You can take a trusting man and turn him into a rightful cynic.

QBJohn Birk [Black Cheetah Bazaar] January 16 2007 4:03 PM EST

Agreed 100% johnny. And I know you all are hearing a lot from me today, but Henk's post brought out my soapbox, and I am sorry but I cannot quite give it up.

Why play CB? Man, I hope ABOVE all hope it is to have some fun. I mean, seriously, if being number one is such a goal, you need to cheat at it to get there, there are PLENTY of websites out there where being number one earns you cash and prizes. Here on CB what does it get you, a target on your back. How can letting a click bot play for you and just answer the drudgery of the bot checks be fun? I mean, I think the bot checks are the least fun part of CB, why make that your only interaction with CB? I think DAWG was playing CB for reasons other than to have fun. I hope all of you out there are not following in his footsteps. I hope all of you out there, like me, are playing to have fun. Once you stop having fun, please for your sake mainly and our sake partly, just stop playing.

Mikel January 16 2007 9:01 PM EST

Why couldn't you just let it go. XXX and XXX said he cheated and that word has been good enough for most of us. Make profit off of his misfortune and let it be.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] January 16 2007 9:05 PM EST

Misfortune? o.O

QBJohn Birk [Black Cheetah Bazaar] January 16 2007 9:33 PM EST

Well, I have to say I am of the opinion that all cheaters (DAWG) and rip off artists (Monty) deserve all the public ridicule and humiliation they get. I would personally roll out the tar and feathers if that was an option. I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for DAWG and what he did. I have absolutely NO problem with Jon helping his name get dragged nicely through the mud. I mean of ALL people DAWG didn't need to cheat with his seemingly bottomless pit of USD to CB2 conversions, so any bad words or feelings expressed in forums is not only deserved, its needed in my opinion.

The words expressed here are merely an opinion and do not reflect the opinions of management or even other CBers. They are mine and I like them.

QBsutekh137 January 16 2007 9:45 PM EST

Not to mention, Mikel, if he contacts _me_, I have every right to talk about it. It's called "entering into evidence."

Mikel January 16 2007 10:58 PM EST

There's a big difference here as to what Dawg did and what Monty did. Monty's actions were public record. Monty Ripped other people off, including DAWG, whom only ripped himself off. Like you, I can't understand why DAWG would cheat considering the amount of $ he invested into the game. Oh well, his loss is Jon's gain. If he really did cheat, then it is his own stupidity and he has no one to blame. And kudos to Jon and co for finding it. But one thing that bothers me is that Jon stated he waited forever in chat for DAWG to show up.... it's no secret that DAWG doesn't come to chat, neither do I, but a simple CM from Jon would've brought him to chat.
DAWG cheated, Jon's selling cb2 for USD.. Everything is not the same. The rules are changing. Now I'm worried about my hoard of rental supplies and my constant BA spending as being construed as 'bot like. Should I feel this way? I shouldn't at all, I don't even use the scripts that are legal in the game, but it bothers me all the same.

Mikel January 16 2007 11:18 PM EST

Sut, as a player it is your right to pass it on to the proper people. As a QB, you should let those that have the facts handle delicate situations such as this one instead of adding fuel to the fire. It's already accepted that he cheated. But by you publicly talking about it, you are only causing people to get the facts from fiction confused and like it or not, some people liked DAWG. From your previous statement, it's apparent that you are not one of those that did like DAWG. "I wasn't really...", translation: He contacted me, so I thought I would just used him to get more information.
Sounds real QBclassy from that angle eh?
My beef isn't with him getting banned for cheating, it is the way some of you are behaving and carrying on about it, in case you think I'm defending his action. None the less I will probably get fined as I usually do, get my feathers ruffled a bit and disappear from the forums again and only post in the FS/WTB threads when I'm looking for CB2.

QBRanger January 16 2007 11:30 PM EST

All I can say is that when I send someone an e-mail, I expect it to be a private communication between that person and myself.

DAWG cheated, and was banned for it, losing a lot of USD in the process. That is the price he paid for cheating.

But lets stop adding fuel to the fire by posting private communications that likely were written while in anger. No good comes of such things.

In no way, shape or form am I defending DAWG. What he did was 100% wrong and the banning quite justified. However, what purpose does it serve to continue this type of thread?

None is the correct answer.

TheHatchetman January 16 2007 11:32 PM EST

"Well, I have to say I am of the opinion that all cheaters (DAWG) and rip off artists (Monty) deserve all the public ridicule and humiliation they get. I would personally roll out the tar and feathers if that was an option."


UltimaSpock [Forge Frog Services] January 17 2007 5:37 AM EST

the purpose of such a post is to learn other possible cheaters what will finally happen to them

Flamey January 17 2007 5:42 AM EST

Spock, you're misinterpreting, they're talking about the additions of posts.

The initial post was necessary, I believe.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] January 17 2007 7:06 AM EST

Ultima, that would be teach, not learn. ;)

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 17 2007 11:02 AM EST

GL: learnin someone is more painful that teaching...

deifeln January 17 2007 11:19 AM EST

Thread Closed


TheHatchetman January 17 2007 12:30 PM EST

still don't have hat magic power yet, eh deifeln? :P
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